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Tek 7623A - Inverted and compressed Horizontal only from TB (SOLVED)


 

Hello all,
This problem is SOLVED!
Thanks to Dave, Roger and Leonard for your suggestions!

I know you will ask now... What was it?
I can't tell for sure... :-( The problem simply disappeared in the middle of my troubleshooting.

But here's the story (or the puzzle, if you like).
Checked all L.V.P.S. voltages and they checked good... a a couple of tenths of volts down overall. Nothing to cause concern but surely will require calibration later on.
Then, went on to probe the + and - inputs of the Hor. Amplifier board (pins 2 and 15 of U510) and, there was an upside-down signal on pin 2 and 0V on pin 15.
That was a relief, because I was thinking that U510 could be bad... but signals were already bad at its input, and explained all symptoms (compressed sweep and backwards)..
But... I knew the TB plugin was fine, because I did check it on the vertical slot, and it was producing a nice dot going upwards and crossing the whole screen even at x1 setting... So what there could be left?
Only the cable between the Backplane board and the Hor. Amp. board (P51 to R501)!!!
Double-checked the orientation of the P501 header at the Hor. Amp end, and it was inserted correctly. This could only leave the other end P51 (at the backplane).
Checking the other end would be tougher... it's boxed up between the P.S. Transformer and the backplane.
Unscrewed the P.S. cage and pulled it out just enough to clear access to the P51 header and... Surprisingly... P51 was ALSO inserted correctly and it was firmly inserted.
OK. Maybe it's a mistake in the manual... So I checked continuity all the way from the edge connector pins on the backplane, to the pins at P51, and then all the way to the other side of the cable, at P501, and all checked right...
I was heading to dead end: There was no swap of + and - signals, and there was no discontinuity of either signal or their GND shields...! Shoot!
Reinserted back P51 and P501, Pushed back the P.S. cage into place and screwed it again thinking...
Well... let's continue troubleshooting... Maybe the -minus input of the Hor Amp is shorted to ground and maybe this short was causing the signal at the plus input to become inverted (Long shot, I thought...).

Fired the scope back on just to see a nice sweep trace crossing all the screen... Immediately thought that x10 was engaged but... NO... It was at x1!!! And it was not going backwards anymore.

So, Hor. sweep got fixed, but I can't tell how or why.
It surely had something to do with that cable, because it was the only thing that I removed and reseated...But it remains a mistery.

Rgrds,

Fabio


 

Fabio,

Good story on your process.? Sometimes it just takes "laying on of hands" to bring an instrument back to health.

Bob.

On 3/8/2018 11:10 AM, Fabio Trevisan wrote:
Hello all,
This problem is SOLVED!
Thanks to Dave, Roger and Leonard for your suggestions!

I know you will ask now... What was it?
I can't tell for sure... :-( The problem simply disappeared in the middle of my troubleshooting.

But here's the story (or the puzzle, if you like).
Checked all L.V.P.S. voltages and they checked good... a a couple of tenths of volts down overall. Nothing to cause concern but surely will require calibration later on.
Then, went on to probe the + and - inputs of the Hor. Amplifier board (pins 2 and 15 of U510) and, there was an upside-down signal on pin 2 and 0V on pin 15.
That was a relief, because I was thinking that U510 could be bad... but signals were already bad at its input, and explained all symptoms (compressed sweep and backwards)..
But... I knew the TB plugin was fine, because I did check it on the vertical slot, and it was producing a nice dot going upwards and crossing the whole screen even at x1 setting... So what there could be left?
Only the cable between the Backplane board and the Hor. Amp. board (P51 to R501)!!!
Double-checked the orientation of the P501 header at the Hor. Amp end, and it was inserted correctly. This could only leave the other end P51 (at the backplane).
Checking the other end would be tougher... it's boxed up between the P.S. Transformer and the backplane.
Unscrewed the P.S. cage and pulled it out just enough to clear access to the P51 header and... Surprisingly... P51 was ALSO inserted correctly and it was firmly inserted.
OK. Maybe it's a mistake in the manual... So I checked continuity all the way from the edge connector pins on the backplane, to the pins at P51, and then all the way to the other side of the cable, at P501, and all checked right...
I was heading to dead end: There was no swap of + and - signals, and there was no discontinuity of either signal or their GND shields...! Shoot!
Reinserted back P51 and P501, Pushed back the P.S. cage into place and screwed it again thinking...
Well... let's continue troubleshooting... Maybe the -minus input of the Hor Amp is shorted to ground and maybe this short was causing the signal at the plus input to become inverted (Long shot, I thought...).

Fired the scope back on just to see a nice sweep trace crossing all the screen... Immediately thought that x10 was engaged but... NO... It was at x1!!! And it was not going backwards anymore.

So, Hor. sweep got fixed, but I can't tell how or why.
It surely had something to do with that cable, because it was the only thing that I removed and reseated...But it remains a mistery.

Rgrds,

Fabio



 

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Fabio Trevisan <fabio.tr3visan@...> wrote:
So, Hor. sweep got fixed, but I can't tell how or why.
It surely had something to do with that cable, because it was the only thing that I removed and reseated...But it remains a mistery.
That's great news. If those connectors are the standard Tek
'harmonica' type, they may have had some internal corrosion which was
preventing a good contact. My otherwise-clean 7912AD had a problem
like that in the power supply: a harmonica connector that looked
perfectly good turned out to need reseating (I cleaned it as well).
The dirty connector was taking the level of one of the power rails to
the 'power good' detector and thus preventing the whole instrument
starting up.

Chris


 

Actually I don't like it when it happens. It could recur at any time.

if it does I would look to the mode selection, which is what switches the IC's gain and who knows what else for the on screen display. While it doesn't seem logical the sweep would be compressed if it was stuck in that mode, the input could have been out of range.

I could be off base here, this is my first post and I have to admit to not reading the whole thread.

But I got my feet wet. Soon I will be ready to start a thread maybe the old timers might like - a 561. Has troubles in the vertical section after an arcing transformer threw the DC from the negative bias into the vertical. I have much information to put together so it probably won't be today. Honestly, some of it will come from my posts on Usenet.

Be well all. See ya.


 

Oops, I think i spoke too soon...


 

Thanks Jeff,
thanks for the heads up...
Well. I concur with you in that a problem which got solved by itself is a
problem ready to happen again and, moreover, while I exhausted all possible
explanations and having find none, I`m forced to let it be and, if the
problem ever recurs, I`ll have a chance to investigate more carefully (not
touching anything and just probing around) and eventually find the real
culprit.
I have been working on other details of the scope the whole weekend, and
not a single time this problem happened again, between many, many power
cycles and removal and insertion of plug-ins...
It remains a mystery.
Good look with the 561... Tube stuff is completely out of my comfort zone.
rgrds,
Fabio


2018-03-09 13:58 GMT-03:00 Jeff Urban <JURB6006@...>:

Actually I don't like it when it happens. It could recur at any time.

if it does I would look to the mode selection, which is what switches the
IC's gain and who knows what else for the on screen display. While it
doesn't seem logical the sweep would be compressed if it was stuck in that
mode, the input could have been out of range.

I could be off base here, this is my first post and I have to admit to not
reading the whole thread.

But I got my feet wet. Soon I will be ready to start a thread maybe the
old timers might like - a 561. Has troubles in the vertical section after
an arcing transformer threw the DC from the negative bias into the
vertical. I have much information to put together so it probably won't be
today. Honestly, some of it will come from my posts on Usenet.

Be well all. See ya.