Just an FYI, my W10 is up for sale as well. I will sell complete or without engine, IE airframe only.
Merle
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 6:32?PM Tailwind14855 via <Tailwind14855= [email protected]> wrote: Scholtz W10 and Clement CAFE airplane have both been relisted on Barnstormers as well as a W8 project less engine.?
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Scholtz W10 and Clement CAFE airplane have both been relisted on Barnstormers as well as a W8 project less engine.?
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Mike- No doubler. Weld fitting is AN867 dash whatever. I did not use a finger screen. My setup is close to Clements last iteration. 90 degree elbow drilled on bottom to accept quick drain valve with hose fitting. quick drain runs overboard and exits belly at aft edge of sheet metal. I can reach under the drain with one hand with sample cup and actuate the drain valve with the other hand. From the 90 degree fitting forward race car all metal filter, fuel shutoff with extension to handle and two short pieces of hose. A smooth downhill slope to carb. 90 degree fitting on carb. This flowed something like 200% of required flow with just a couple gallons in tank.? I use nealseal which used to be titeseal on pipe threads. Non hardening. If the nealseal is stored at high temperatures it needs to be stirred, a small screwdriver works well. In temps above 100 or so the nealseal components separate.? Also I used an all stainless bulkhead fittings at firewall. all my firewall fittings are stainless. Custom stainless tubes welded to stainless plate and attached with all stainless hardware for wiring, control cables etc. Tubes are around 2" long and the components are wrapped with fire sleeve. High temperature caulk in the forward ends of tubes recommended. All of my non firewall fittings(throttle, wires) are along the top of the firewall which is the least critical part of the firewall.?
On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 07:30:00 AM MST, Mike Wilson via groups.io <mike_tailwind@...> wrote:
I don't have a patch there either.? Just the threaded bung welded to the outside of the tank.
On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 07:29:32 PM CST, Keith Klos via groups.io <kloskeith@...> wrote:
Mike,
I don't believe I have any kind of patch at the bottom of the sump.? The guy that welded up the tank after I built it just welded in a fitting in the bottom of the sump for the finger screen.? I am assuming you are going to have a baffle inside the tank.? Make sure that it is positioned so that it doesn't interfere with the finger screen which will probably stick up about 2 inches or so inside the tank.
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Your tank looks Great!
Keith?
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Re: Cliff Adkins built Tailwind
N717CA was registered in Yakima WA in Dec 2024
On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 12:50:44 PM MST, Steven Becker via groups.io <s_07_bec@...> wrote:
?This polaroid of Cliff Adkins N717CA W-8 shows the strength of Wittman's design.? After a South Dakota storm the hangar front beam is partially resting on top of the Tailwind wing.
Steven B.
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Re: Cliff Adkins built Tailwind
?This polaroid of Cliff Adkins N717CA W-8 shows the strength of Wittman's design.? After a South Dakota storm the hangar front beam is partially resting on top of the Tailwind wing.
Steven B.
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I don't have a patch there either.? Just the threaded bung welded to the outside of the tank.
On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 07:29:32 PM CST, Keith Klos via groups.io <kloskeith@...> wrote:
Mike,
I don't believe I have any kind of patch at the bottom of the sump.? The guy that welded up the tank after I built it just welded in a fitting in the bottom of the sump for the finger screen.? I am assuming you are going to have a baffle inside the tank.? Make sure that it is positioned so that it doesn't interfere with the finger screen which will probably stick up about 2 inches or so inside the tank.
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Your tank looks Great!
Keith?
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Mike,
I don't believe I have any kind of patch at the bottom of the sump.? The guy that welded up the tank after I built it just welded in a fitting in the bottom of the sump for the finger screen.? I am assuming you are going to have a baffle inside the tank.? Make sure that it is positioned so that it doesn't interfere with the finger screen which will probably stick up about 2 inches or so inside the tank.
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Your tank looks Great!
Keith?
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Michael, I just used a piece of pipe and machined a plug to go into the end of it and threaded it for the fittings, the finger strainer is up inside of this. I did what you did at first (formed a sump in the bottom of the tank) then welded on the piece of pipe.
On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 05:26:03 PM CST, Michael Corso via groups.io <witt4130@...> wrote:
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I have a question regarding the fuel tank. I have just completed forming the sump and reviewing the plans and see that the plans show a .065 3x3 reinforcing patch welded outside bottom of sump. Is this being used if putting on a threaded welding bung for the fuel screen to be screwed up into the bottom of the tank?
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I suggest you go ahead and do it.? You can have both at the same time,? an airman's physical certificate and a basic med.? It is what I have done.
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After looking into the MOSAIC proposal, it seems as though it will begin to implement as law sometime this year, 2025. The new laws under MOSAIC will expand criteria so that more pilots can use driver liscense as medical. The big changes that will help the tailwind hroup include increasing the clean stall to 54, and max speed to 250. I believe weight is increased as well. This will be great news for many of us!
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I consider myself to be in decent health for 56 but this is the last year I¡¯m going to play ¡°FAA Medical Roulette¡±. ?When this medical expires I¡¯m switching to BasicMed. ?
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Pretty good synopsis, with one minor correction. You don't have to have held an FAA medical within the previous ten years.? You have to have held an FAA medical within the 10 years prior to the enactment of the basicmed rules.? The following is a quote directly from the FAA's website:
Comply with the general BasicMed requirements (possess a U.S. driver's license, have held a medical after July 14, 2006).
So as long as you have held a valid FAA medical since that date, you are eligible for basicmed.? Frankly, if I didn't need a 2nd class medical for my flying at EAA, I would go besicmed in a heartbeat.? It covers all the flying I do personally, but I still like to haul biplane and helicopter rides at Pioneer Airport, so I will stick with the 2nd class until I can't anymore.
Basicmed is a really nice deal, and should not be ignored.? Yes, you do have to go see a doctor every 4 years, and you have to do the online thing every two, but that's easy compared to fretting about passing an FAA medical.
Hope you don't mind input from a non-Tailwind (but Tailwind fan) guy. The issue(s) of Light Sport and Sport Pilot pop up often on forums. Easiest thing to remember for me is that they're two separate things. Special Light sport is airframe, and it currently is only available to a manufacturer who complies with ASTM certification. Experimental Light Sport is only available through kits that comply precisely with the SLS airframe sold by that mfgr but built by others.? As others have said, there's not really any way to make a Tailwind into any form of Light Sport airframe, due to both performance and manufacturing issues.
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Sport Pilot, on the other hand, defines what performance is allowed to be flown without a medical of any sort. The performance allowed is the performance of current Light Sport aircraft, but not limited to just those certified under Light Sport certification. It also includes planes like standard Cubs, some Ercoupes, Taylorcraft, etc that are standard category a/c, and any homebuilt that meets the performance requirements.
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Both of the above are likely to change significantly (for the better) with the MOSAIC rule that is on the horizon. It's possible that a Tailwind will be able to be flown by a Sport Pilot once the new rules are implemented. But the easiest path now, as others have said, is the Basic Med option. As long as you've had a Class 3 or better in the last 10 years, you can switch to Basic Med with any State Certified physician doing the exams every 4 years and you taking the on-line course/test every two years.?
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Hope you don't mind input from a non-Tailwind (but Tailwind fan) guy. The issue(s) of Light Sport and Sport Pilot pop up often on forums. Easiest thing to remember for me is that they're two separate things. Special Light sport is airframe, and it currently is only available to a manufacturer who complies with ASTM certification. Experimental Light Sport is only available through kits that comply precisely with the SLS airframe sold by that mfgr but built by others.? As others have said, there's not really any way to make a Tailwind into any form of Light Sport airframe, due to both performance and manufacturing issues.
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Sport Pilot, on the other hand, defines what performance is allowed to be flown without a medical of any sort. The performance allowed is the performance of current Light Sport aircraft, but not limited to just those certified under Light Sport certification. It also includes planes like standard Cubs, some Ercoupes, Taylorcraft, etc that are standard category a/c, and any homebuilt that meets the performance requirements.
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Both of the above are likely to change significantly (for the better) with the MOSAIC rule that is on the horizon. It's possible that a Tailwind will be able to be flown by a Sport Pilot once the new rules are implemented. But the easiest path now, as others have said, is the Basic Med option. As long as you've had a Class 3 or better in the last 10 years, you can switch to Basic Med with any State Certified physician doing the exams every 4 years and you taking the on-line course/test every two years.?
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Just food for thought, if you feel you will not meet the 3rd class med. exam requirements when it comes due, then by all means pursue the basic med application because if you fail the 3rd class med you can't apply for basic med. I am 78 yrs old and just got my basic med because my 3rd class med expires in feb. of this year. I feel that with my age I don't want to press my luck and fail the next 3rd class application although I feel fine.
Alex
On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 06:35:56 PM CST, Joe Norris via groups.io <joepilot13@...> wrote:
Greg,
Two different points to mention here.? First, there is nothing different about the certification process for a Homebuilt aircraft regardless of whether the aircraft meets the LSA definition or not.? It is still simply an amateur-built aircraft.? You do not do anything during registration or certification that would differentiate whether the aircraft is sport pilot-eligible or not.? So no issue there.
Now, regarding the ability to operate as a sport pilot, I am to sure whether a Tailwind could ever be made to meet the LSA definition as it is currently written, due to maximum level flight cruise speed.? Heck, even my C-90 powered W8 won¡¯t qualify on that point alone.? Stall speed might be an issue as well, but maximum level flight cruise would definitely be an issue. ?
So, having said that, the other option to investigate would be BasicMed.? Slightly different than Sport Pilot, but still a good option as the speed of the Tailwind would be no issue. ?
The other possibility on the horizon is the expansion of LSA under the new proposes MOSAIC rules.? Not sure when we will see those go into effect, but certainly would work out in the scenario you describe.
Joe
Please forgive my ignorance, this hasn't been a concern of mine nor would it be currently. However as I age, I'm becoming more aware of deteriorating health that I might start to face!!! Currently I'm a class 3 med holder but if my health does make it more difficult to keep this, I'd like to still fly my tailwind, under the light sport medical approval. With this said, I have not had my tailwind faa inspected, only started registration. If possible, how should I register my tailwind to allow me to legally fly my plane under light sport? Does this even matter? Is this even possible? Does anyone fly their tailwind using the light sport med? Thanks
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The Tailwind doesn't qualify for light sport.? MOSAIC may effectively expand that.
If you currently have a medical you can switch to Basic Med.?? You can use your family doctor, you only need a physical every 4 years,? you have to take a self-evaluation exam every 2 years.? I've been using Basic Med for almost 8 years now.
On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 06:27:28 PM CST, Greg Blake via groups.io <gregablake@...> wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance, this hasn't been a concern of mine nor would it be currently. However as I age, I'm becoming more aware of deteriorating health that I might start to face!!! Currently I'm a class 3 med holder but if my health does make it more difficult to keep this, I'd like to still fly my tailwind, under the light sport medical approval. With this said, I have not had my tailwind faa inspected, only started registration. If possible, how should I register my tailwind to allow me to legally fly my plane under light sport? Does this even matter? Is this even possible? Does anyone fly their tailwind using the light sport med? Thanks
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Greg,
Two different points to mention here.? First, there is nothing different about the certification process for a Homebuilt aircraft regardless of whether the aircraft meets the LSA definition or not.? It is still simply an amateur-built aircraft.? You do not do anything during registration or certification that would differentiate whether the aircraft is sport pilot-eligible or not.? So no issue there.
Now, regarding the ability to operate as a sport pilot, I am to sure whether a Tailwind could ever be made to meet the LSA definition as it is currently written, due to maximum level flight cruise speed.? Heck, even my C-90 powered W8 won¡¯t qualify on that point alone.? Stall speed might be an issue as well, but maximum level flight cruise would definitely be an issue. ?
So, having said that, the other option to investigate would be BasicMed.? Slightly different than Sport Pilot, but still a good option as the speed of the Tailwind would be no issue. ?
The other possibility on the horizon is the expansion of LSA under the new proposes MOSAIC rules.? Not sure when we will see those go into effect, but certainly would work out in the scenario you describe.
Joe
Please forgive my ignorance, this hasn't been a concern of mine nor would it be currently. However as I age, I'm becoming more aware of deteriorating health that I might start to face!!! Currently I'm a class 3 med holder but if my health does make it more difficult to keep this, I'd like to still fly my tailwind, under the light sport medical approval. With this said, I have not had my tailwind faa inspected, only started registration. If possible, how should I register my tailwind to allow me to legally fly my plane under light sport? Does this even matter? Is this even possible? Does anyone fly their tailwind using the light sport med? Thanks
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Please forgive my ignorance, this hasn't been a concern of mine nor would it be currently. However as I age, I'm becoming more aware of deteriorating health that I might start to face!!! Currently I'm a class 3 med holder but if my health does make it more difficult to keep this, I'd like to still fly my tailwind, under the light sport medical approval. With this said, I have not had my tailwind faa inspected, only started registration. If possible, how should I register my tailwind to allow me to legally fly my plane under light sport? Does this even matter? Is this even possible? Does anyone fly their tailwind using the light sport med? Thanks
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It really is a try before you buy thing.? I was in the headset buying market 9 months ago.? I bought both the DC-one-X and and Zulu3 from Sporty's with the intention of returning the one I didn't like.? I ended up liking the DC-One-X.? It was much lighter and more comfortable than my old David Clarks.? It fit my head well and I have a really fat head.? I let my wife try both and she preferred the Zulu3's.? So, I ended up keeping both - $$ ouch.
On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 10:09:06 AM CST, Michael Robinson via groups.io <toobuilder1@...> wrote:
I¡¯ve found that headsets are definitely a ¡°try before buy¡± thing. ?I¡¯ve been a happy Zulu user forever and have purchased many sets, but tried the CQ1 product based on glowing reports like ¡°just as good as¡¡±. ?While I do not discount the reports of happy users, the performance I experienced what¡¯s nowhere even close to the Zulus. ?In fact, use in my Rocket was essentially useless. ?Lots of ambient noise, and the radio was basically unreadable even with the volume maxed out. ?NOT to impugn the quality of the product nor the support from Scott Card - they were top notch. ?Despite MANY different ear plug types, it just didn¡¯t work for me.
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Also not a fan of inserting and removing an object into my body that ends up on the floor, glareshield, wing, etc. ?that¡¯s just nasty to me.
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Merle W
Steven Becker
Keith Klos
Alex Frizzell
Greg Blake
Joe Norris