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Deck drains/scuppers


 

I'm a new owner of a 1970 Tartan 27..(please forgive my early limited knowledge about the boat ). I have her on stands in my yard and noticed after some heavy rain that the port and starboard deck drains didn't work, she had been on the hard for a while so I rightly assumed they were blocked with leaves and/tree detrius and gently reamed them out with some rigging wire.

My questions are; on the starboard side, the below the water line through-hull drained off as much water as was on the deck. The port side however, drained what was on the deck and then a dozen gallons or so more of water. I just can't figure out where all that water came from. I couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat where that may have come from.

Thoughts?


Mike


 

A lot of changes get made to boats over the years by their owners
and since my experience is with the rare west-coast model I'm
likely to give bad information, so grain of salt... but is it possible
that the engine's water cooling jacket is T'd in to the port side
drain? But that would amount to about *one* gallon of water.
And more likely the engine water is injected in to the exhaust anyawy.

I assume you've looked in the bilge and would have noticed if there
was water in the bilge (which would be likely from rain water getting
in) and then there wasn't water in the bilge any more after that.
But I'm not sure how unclogging the scupper would do that. The
scupper clog would have to some how clog the cracked thru-hull.

"I couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat" --
I'm at a loss for anything else... so look again and see if there
are signs it was recently wet?

If that does turn out to be the case, obvoiusly new thru-hulls are
on the agenda. The fresh water tank should absolutely not be
connected to the scuppers unless someone had a exceptionally
non-picky rainwater collection system rigged up.

Can you physically inspect the thru-hull fitting on the inside and
outside both (and physically push it different directions)?
Can you see if anything else is connected to the scupper's tube?

Cheers,
-scott

On 0, "truenorthmv@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> wrote:


I'm a new owner of a 1970 Tartan 27..(please forgive my early limited
knowledge about the boat ). I have her on stands in my yard and noticed
after some heavy rain that the port and starboard deck drains didn't work,
she had been on the hard for a while so I rightly assumed they were
blocked with leaves and/tree detrius and gently reamed them out with some
rigging wire.

My questions are; on the starboard side, the below the water line
through-hull drained off as much water as was on the deck. The port side
however, drained what was on the deck and then a dozen gallons or so more
of water. I just can't figure out where all that water came from. I
couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat where that may
have come from.

Thoughts?

Mike


 

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Is the ice box T-ed into it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2019, at 1:35 PM, Scott Walters scott@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:

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A lot of changes get made to boats over the years by their owners
and since my experience is with the rare west-coast model I'm
likely to give bad information, so grain of salt... but is it possible
that the engine's water cooling jacket is T'd in to the port side
drain? But that would amount to about *one* gallon of water.
And more likely the engine water is injected in to the exhaust anyawy.

I assume you've looked in the bilge and would have noticed if there
was water in the bilge (which would be likely from rain water getting
in) and then there wasn't water in the bilge any more after that.
But I'm not sure how unclogging the scupper would do that. The
scupper clog would have to some how clog the cracked thru-hull.

"I couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat" --
I'm at a loss for anything else... so look again and see if there
are signs it was recently wet?

If that does turn out to be the case, obvoiusly new thru-hulls are
on the agenda. The fresh water tank should absolutely not be
connected to the scuppers unless someone had a exceptionally
non-picky rainwater collection system rigged up.

Can you physically inspect the thru-hull fitting on the inside and
outside both (and physically push it different directions)?
Can you see if anything else is connected to the scupper's tube?

Cheers,
-scott

On 0, "truenorthmv@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of a 1970 Tartan 27..(please forgive my early limited
> knowledge about the boat ). I have her on stands in my yard and noticed
> after some heavy rain that the port and starboard deck drains didn't work,
> she had been on the hard for a while so I rightly assumed they were
> blocked with leaves and/tree detrius and gently reamed them out with some
> rigging wire.
>
> My questions are; on the starboard side, the below the water line
> through-hull drained off as much water as was on the deck. The port side
> however, drained what was on the deck and then a dozen gallons or so more
> of water. I just can't figure out where all that water came from. I
> couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat where that may
> have come from.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mike


 

ICE BOX!


On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 3:32 PM Steven Kolar skolar@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
?

Is the ice box T-ed into it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2019, at 1:35 PM, Scott Walters scott@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:

?

A lot of changes get made to boats over the years by their owners
and since my experience is with the rare west-coast model I'm
likely to give bad information, so grain of salt... but is it possible
that the engine's water cooling jacket is T'd in to the port side
drain? But that would amount to about *one* gallon of water.
And more likely the engine water is injected in to the exhaust anyawy.

I assume you've looked in the bilge and would have noticed if there
was water in the bilge (which would be likely from rain water getting
in) and then there wasn't water in the bilge any more after that.
But I'm not sure how unclogging the scupper would do that. The
scupper clog would have to some how clog the cracked thru-hull.

"I couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat" --
I'm at a loss for anything else... so look again and see if there
are signs it was recently wet?

If that does turn out to be the case, obvoiusly new thru-hulls are
on the agenda. The fresh water tank should absolutely not be
connected to the scuppers unless someone had a exceptionally
non-picky rainwater collection system rigged up.

Can you physically inspect the thru-hull fitting on the inside and
outside both (and physically push it different directions)?
Can you see if anything else is connected to the scupper's tube?

Cheers,
-scott

On 0, "truenorthmv@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of a 1970 Tartan 27..(please forgive my early limited
> knowledge about the boat ). I have her on stands in my yard and noticed
> after some heavy rain that the port and starboard deck drains didn't work,
> she had been on the hard for a while so I rightly assumed they were
> blocked with leaves and/tree detrius and gently reamed them out with some
> rigging wire.
>
> My questions are; on the starboard side, the below the water line
> through-hull drained off as much water as was on the deck. The port side
> however, drained what was on the deck and then a dozen gallons or so more
> of water. I just can't figure out where all that water came from. I
> couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat where that may
> have come from.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mike



--
Michael Savoy
True North Caretaking & Property Management
455 State Rd #134
Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
617-335-3678


 

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Fairport Ohio T27s had a ice box port side, access doors just below and next to the companion way and a door/hatch in the cockpit. Drained to the bilge. Just a wild guess that previous owner tapped into the scupper drain. The ice box just about buried the scupper hose connection and thru Hull.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2019, at 3:50 PM, True North MV truenorthmv@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:

?

ICE BOX!

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 3:32 PM Steven Kolar skolar@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
?

Is the ice box T-ed into it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2019, at 1:35 PM, Scott Walters scott@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:

?

A lot of changes get made to boats over the years by their owners
and since my experience is with the rare west-coast model I'm
likely to give bad information, so grain of salt... but is it possible
that the engine's water cooling jacket is T'd in to the port side
drain? But that would amount to about *one* gallon of water.
And more likely the engine water is injected in to the exhaust anyawy.

I assume you've looked in the bilge and would have noticed if there
was water in the bilge (which would be likely from rain water getting
in) and then there wasn't water in the bilge any more after that.
But I'm not sure how unclogging the scupper would do that. The
scupper clog would have to some how clog the cracked thru-hull.

"I couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat" --
I'm at a loss for anything else... so look again and see if there
are signs it was recently wet?

If that does turn out to be the case, obvoiusly new thru-hulls are
on the agenda. The fresh water tank should absolutely not be
connected to the scuppers unless someone had a exceptionally
non-picky rainwater collection system rigged up.

Can you physically inspect the thru-hull fitting on the inside and
outside both (and physically push it different directions)?
Can you see if anything else is connected to the scupper's tube?

Cheers,
-scott

On 0, "truenorthmv@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of a 1970 Tartan 27..(please forgive my early limited
> knowledge about the boat ). I have her on stands in my yard and noticed
> after some heavy rain that the port and starboard deck drains didn't work,
> she had been on the hard for a while so I rightly assumed they were
> blocked with leaves and/tree detrius and gently reamed them out with some
> rigging wire.
>
> My questions are; on the starboard side, the below the water line
> through-hull drained off as much water as was on the deck. The port side
> however, drained what was on the deck and then a dozen gallons or so more
> of water. I just can't figure out where all that water came from. I
> couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat where that may
> have come from.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mike



--
Michael Savoy
True North Caretaking & Property Management
455 State Rd #134
Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
617-335-3678


 

That's exactly what it was.. when I start to take her apart a bit I'll have a look at the connection back there.?


On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 5:14 PM Steven Kolar skolar@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Fairport Ohio T27s had a ice box port side, access doors just below and next to the companion way and a door/hatch in the cockpit. Drained to the bilge. Just a wild guess that previous owner tapped into the scupper drain. The ice box just about buried the scupper hose connection and thru Hull.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2019, at 3:50 PM, True North MV truenorthmv@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:

?

ICE BOX!

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 3:32 PM Steven Kolar skolar@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
?

Is the ice box T-ed into it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2019, at 1:35 PM, Scott Walters scott@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:

?

A lot of changes get made to boats over the years by their owners
and since my experience is with the rare west-coast model I'm
likely to give bad information, so grain of salt... but is it possible
that the engine's water cooling jacket is T'd in to the port side
drain? But that would amount to about *one* gallon of water.
And more likely the engine water is injected in to the exhaust anyawy.

I assume you've looked in the bilge and would have noticed if there
was water in the bilge (which would be likely from rain water getting
in) and then there wasn't water in the bilge any more after that.
But I'm not sure how unclogging the scupper would do that. The
scupper clog would have to some how clog the cracked thru-hull.

"I couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat" --
I'm at a loss for anything else... so look again and see if there
are signs it was recently wet?

If that does turn out to be the case, obvoiusly new thru-hulls are
on the agenda. The fresh water tank should absolutely not be
connected to the scuppers unless someone had a exceptionally
non-picky rainwater collection system rigged up.

Can you physically inspect the thru-hull fitting on the inside and
outside both (and physically push it different directions)?
Can you see if anything else is connected to the scupper's tube?

Cheers,
-scott

On 0, "truenorthmv@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of a 1970 Tartan 27..(please forgive my early limited
> knowledge about the boat ). I have her on stands in my yard and noticed
> after some heavy rain that the port and starboard deck drains didn't work,
> she had been on the hard for a while so I rightly assumed they were
> blocked with leaves and/tree detrius and gently reamed them out with some
> rigging wire.
>
> My questions are; on the starboard side, the below the water line
> through-hull drained off as much water as was on the deck. The port side
> however, drained what was on the deck and then a dozen gallons or so more
> of water. I just can't figure out where all that water came from. I
> couldn't find any other water filled places on the boat where that may
> have come from.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mike



--
Michael Savoy
True North Caretaking & Property Management
455 State Rd #134
Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
617-335-3678



--
Michael Savoy
True North Caretaking & Property Management
455 State Rd #134
Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
617-335-3678