Greg and Caleb:

I really appreciate your comments.

I have done most of the things I could think of as you
are are correctly suggesting to flatten the and
de-power the main. This are the things I will like to
try next after given some thought to this issue and
taking into account your feedback.

1) In an attempt to flatten the main I had the vang
tight which as you pointed out is preventing the main
from twisting and spilling some air.

2) I should have also tried a first reef.

3) According to some of my readings our boat should be
able to carry the 176% Genoa up to 20 MPH so I had the
big head sail on. I was talking to a friend and he
pointed out that if I was not able to reduce the boat
heel I perhaps should have changed to the working jib.

He points out and I think he is correct that when the
boat is heeling it naturally has a tendency to point
higher because of the change in hull shape.

My thinking at the time was that the bigger head sail
would compensate and bring the bow down

3) As far as the rig tuning I will like to be able to
measure the stays tension. I do have some sag on the
head stay but I am not sure how much is acceptable.
any thoughts here.


thanks again for your comments


armando



--- Greg Van Pelt <greg.vanpelt@...> wrote:

There's a lot you don't tell us Armando, so it's
really difficult to
make any observations that might be helpful. OTOH,
this is the
interweb - any advice you get is worth what you pay,
so here goes . . .

It could be that your rig isn't properly tuned, but
unless you see
more problem on one tack than the other, or have lee
helm or
consistent difficulty going to weather in light air,
it's not the
first place I'd look.

You don't tell us whether you've adjusted the
primary controls to
flatten the main: are the outhaul and cunningham
cranked tight?
Particularly with blown out sails, depowering when
the wind gets into
the upper-moderate range is essential. OTOH, if you
have the vang on
hard, you're pulling down on the leach, and not
letting air spill out
of the upper part of the sail, which will induce
weather helm.

Likewise, you'll want to twist off the top of the
main. You can
accomplish this by easing the main sheet, and
bringing the traveler to
weather in order to put the boom near the centerline
of the boat.
(I'd be careful with this - many people don't
actually sight the boom
against the backstay, and consequently bring it
slightly to weather,
which creates huge weather helm.)

In the conditions you describe, the top of the sail
should twist off
to leeward, and the boom should be dropped slightly
below the
centerline of the boat until the helm balances.

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There's a lot you don't tell us Armando, so it's really difficult to
make any observations that might be helpful. OTOH, this is the
interweb - any advice you get is worth what you pay, so here goes . . .

It could be that your rig isn't properly tuned, but unless you see
more problem on one tack than the other, or have lee helm or
consistent difficulty going to weather in light air, it's not the
first place I'd look.

You don't tell us whether you've adjusted the primary controls to
flatten the main: are the outhaul and cunningham cranked tight?
Particularly with blown out sails, depowering when the wind gets into
the upper-moderate range is essential. OTOH, if you have the vang on
hard, you're pulling down on the leach, and not letting air spill out
of the upper part of the sail, which will induce weather helm.

Likewise, you'll want to twist off the top of the main. You can
accomplish this by easing the main sheet, and bringing the traveler to
weather in order to put the boom near the centerline of the boat.
(I'd be careful with this - many people don't actually sight the boom
against the backstay, and consequently bring it slightly to weather,
which creates huge weather helm.)

In the conditions you describe, the top of the sail should twist off
to leeward, and the boom should be dropped slightly below the
centerline of the boat until the helm balances.

People:



I got a few questions regarding balance of Hull 555. 

I am experiencing  a lot of weather helm when it gets

above 15 mph.  I am thinking the shape of my main is

blown out but I am not sure.



1) Is there a procedure out there for checking

standing rigging setup that I could follow?  By this I

mean stays tension and how to measure it, mast rake

etc.



I can hardly put the boom close to the boat center

line when close hauled and I am wondering if this is

normal?



In summary, on a blow this boat wants to round up and

I am fighting it all the time.



armando



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People:

I got a few questions regarding balance of Hull 555.
I am experiencing a lot of weather helm when it gets
above 15 mph. I am thinking the shape of my main is
blown out but I am not sure.

1) Is there a procedure out there for checking
standing rigging setup that I could follow? By this I
mean stays tension and how to measure it, mast rake
etc.

I can hardly put the boom close to the boat center
line when close hauled and I am wondering if this is
normal?

In summary, on a blow this boat wants to round up and
I am fighting it all the time.

armando

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True that, Peter.

But Jamestown wants $280 for a 2x3 sheet of 1/2", which is the smallest
size they carry, and requires shipment by common carrier.

McMaster-Carr sells a 2x2 sheet of 1/2" for $108, and also has 12"x12"
sheets as well as 4" widths of 8' in1/8" increments from 1/8" to 1/2".
And no need for premium shipping.

In my experience, it's much better - read cost effective - to buy a
comparable product than anything that's labeled "marine" . . .





--- In T27Owners@..., "Peter Stark" <pdstark4@...> wrote:

Jamestown Distributors also carries this fiberglass plate ...it is

called G10.

It is very useful when re-building older boats.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Van Pelt
To: T27Owners@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: [T27Owners] Re: backing plates



Chris - you might want to check out the FRP available on page 3479

of the McMaster-Carr catalog.

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--- In T27Owners@..., "Greg Van Pelt" <greg.vanpelt@...>
wrote:

Chris - you might want to check out the FRP available on page 3479 of
the McMaster-Carr <> catalog.

Chris

If there is a metal fabricator in your area that might be your best bet.

I had 12 backing plates made last year along with two replacement
centerboard pivot pins for $30.00

Oh and they also made me a new stainless centerboard at a cost of $800.

steve

Chris - you might want to check out the FRP available on page 3479 of the ? catalog.

My error did not know there was another email address involved. ---
In T27Owners@..., "wymanut" <jackwyman@...> wrote:

Hello ksmith4312,

I emailed you twice off-line asking for your mailing address so I
could mail you the screens, but no response so far. If you still

want

the screens, just let me know where to send them...

Jack Wyman





--- In T27Owners@..., "ksmith4312" <ksmith4312@> wrote:

--- In T27Owners@..., "wymanut" <jackwyman@> wrote:

Anybody want six screens for 5 x 12 Beckson portlights? They're

off

our 1978 T27-2, hull #667. Outside dimensions are 5-1/4 x 12-1/2
inches. They're in decent shape, but we bought new Becksons

with new

screens.

Jack Wyman

Boy do I feel silly. I was at the boat today and the screen size

is

correct. If they are still available. What do we do next?

Hello ksmith4312,

I emailed you twice off-line asking for your mailing address so I
could mail you the screens, but no response so far. If you still want
the screens, just let me know where to send them...

Jack Wyman

Hey Brian,

I just had my boat trucked in we launched on the ramp at my club. It
was a steeper ramp and the guy who hauled my boat had a Hydraulic
trailer and that was effortless. I know people who have put Pearson
30's on trailers from the same ramp but they had substantial vehicle
to pull it.

The mast can be a bear by hand and I really wouldn't do it unless you
have a rig that can lift it out by crank and several hands on deck.
You could do it with two boats parked on either side of you and use
their main halyards around your mast just below the spreaders with
lines led to winches but then you endanger other people, boats and a
whole host of issues. I've seen it done and I looked the other way.

Go to a yard and pay the money to have them at least unstep the mast
then you can deal with trailering on another day.

As for the paint? I used Interlux Brightsides on my last boat, last
August and I prepped, primed and took great care at applying it...
this past winter, where water or ice accumulated in the corners, It
peeled. Wasn't happy at all. My Tartan was painted with Toplac, an
interlux product, by the PO and it seems to have held up a little
better. I'm looking for someone who's also painted with something
and had a good response.

good luck.
C.
#466

...a necessity with our older beloved pocket yachts.

However, ponder for a moment the pleasures our t27's bring. Here is
an anecdote and a reference.

Anecdote -

I was winterizing my T27, hull 47 (I think). Hatch closed and
mainsail off the boom. She looked deserted, but I was below. One of
the boat owners from the "fancy" dock (million dollar yachts) paused
by her and I overheard: "Sure is a pretty boat." It warmed my heart.

Reference -

If you haven't read: The Coast of Summer: Sailing New England Waters
from Shelter Island to Cape Cod (Paperback), consider picking up a
copy. It's a good and easy read about a man and his wife who sail in
their T27 along the New England coast. Many passages will ring
familiar. A good off-season read (but a poor substitute for actual
sailing).

Fair winds
Greg

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Just taking a poll here.

It's painting time for my boat. I'm wondering what others have used
on the deck? My deck was repainted by the PO and it's coming off in
pieces now which is rather unsightly. A sure sign it needs
repainting is that I went to move the boat to a new marina and was
told the boat had to be repainted first. LOL. I guess that means
mother nature has done what she's gonna do.

I've also considered bringing my boat home as the antifouline and
topsides also could use new paint. It would be *much* easier for me
to do it at home where I have space and tools. What type and
capacity of trailer are others using? I hate to say it, but I'm a
tad intimidated by trying to figure out what sort of trailer is right
and getting the boat out of the water. That said, I used to have a C-
22, so Its not the trailer, just the hassle of finding one that will
work.

Can a flatbed with cradle be used? I am almost certain that I'll
need to have the marina lift her out and unstep the mast. It seems
like it would be a monster to unstep by hand or to try to recover her
on a boat ramp. Any thoughts? We do have one or two "deep" ramps
that were suitable for the c-22 (which draws 1.5ft). I doubt that
they would fly for a T-27. And it's not like I can power her on the
trailer. lol.

Richard, you are fast, I just posted it on Craigslist Boston.

I am posting this for a friend as I already own a T27 and don't need another.
The boat is sound, I checked it out before, but it is a project boat for sure. If you have the
time and skills to restore it, it would make a great project. Or if you have a way to dispose of
it, you can bring it home and strip it for parts including the Atomic 4.

Anyway, don't shoot the messager. May be this is exactly what someone is looking for. Ever
read the book "Fix It and Sail"? It is free for the taken, just not free to restore it to sailing
condition : )

This just popped up on Craigs List...
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/boa/447087525.html
Of course There is no such thing as a free boat...

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All are great ideas,
?
Another thought would be to go with a 100% hank on jib.
?
I think 130, 150 Gennys are way to much sail anyways, unless your are racing.

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To: T27Owners@yahoogroups.com
From: hbobhobby@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:49:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Re: Sail Inventory

Mike, if you have a furling system, why not just reef the sail instead of replacing it?

HBH

daiksan com> wrote:

--- In T27Owners@yahoogroups.com, "cusick58" .> wrote:
>
> Hello All
> Am owner for past four years of Hull #154, a yawl. I have an older
170
> furling genny, and am thinking that is too much sail here in the
fall
> days on Lake Michigan.
> Does anyone have a smaller sail as their primary foresail? I am
> thinking that a 150 would be sufficient. Any thoughts?
> Thanks
> Mike
>

Mike,, wasnt the original head sail about 130
mike

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All are great ideas,
?
Another thought would be to go with a 100% hank on jib.
?
I think 130, 150 Gennys are way to much sail anyways, unless your are racing.

---

To: T27Owners@...
From: hbobhobby@...
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:49:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Re: Sail Inventory

Mike, if you have a furling system, why not just reef the sail instead of replacing it?

HBH

daiksan com> wrote:

--- In T27Owners@yahoogroups.com, "cusick58" .> wrote:
>
> Hello All
> Am owner for past four years of Hull #154, a yawl. I have an older
170
> furling genny, and am thinking that is too much sail here in the
fall
> days on Lake Michigan.
> Does anyone have a smaller sail as their primary foresail? I am
> thinking that a 150 would be sufficient. Any thoughts?
> Thanks
> Mike
>

Mike,, wasnt the original head sail about 130
mike

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Mike, if you have a furling system, why not just reef the sail instead of replacing it?

HBH

daiksan wrote:

--- In T27Owners@..., "cusick58" <m.cusick@...> wrote:

Hello All
Am owner for past four years of Hull #154, a yawl. I have an older

170

furling genny, and am thinking that is too much sail here in the

fall

days on Lake Michigan.
Does anyone have a smaller sail as their primary foresail? I am
thinking that a 150 would be sufficient. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Mike

Mike,, wasnt the original head sail about 130
mike