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Re: transporting a T27
You may find crew here. I'd be interested if I'm not being pulled another
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direction (optimism springs eternal). Worth a post at least when you're closer to doing it. -scott On 0, "ackermwi@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: transporting a T27
good points, Will.? Trip by river would be long, but an adventure.? I'd love to do it IF I can find the time, and a crew member to help lock through....? Other than spending a ton of money by paying for hauling, other options will take a bit of effort, but seem do-able.? I like your crossbar idea.? It is probably easier to get a used trailer and add crossbars than to find a trailer already set up.? Does anyone have a picture of a temporary wood cradle that would be suitable for a single road trip? --Bill #327 ---In T27Owners@..., <mainesail113@...> wrote : T-27 is one of the heaviest 27s out there, coming up on 8k with much of anything aboard.? The river trip could be a looooong trip, but if you want to do it for the pleasure and experience as well, go for it. 8000 lb boat, plus whatever you put aboard plus 1000 or so for the trailer gives you a hefty load. So, you would need an 8k plus capacity trailer, which is 2) 4000 lb plus axles and 2000 lb capacity tires..15 inch load rated. Either get a trailer set up like that or modify one, many are built for a range of running gear and could take it. As well you need to decide, flatbed with cradle or custom fit with poppits, which depends on launch patterns. I have both, made a flatbed out of a boat trailer by welding 3" galv tubing for cross bars, and carry all sorts of stuff including boats on cradles. Probably put all together for $2K depending on timing. You can build a 1 time wood cradle of rough cut timbers for a couple hundred dollars then break it down or sell. You need a big vehicle to haul this like a Suburban, F whatever pickup w/10K+towing capacity. Safe travels, Will Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone |
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Re: transporting a T27
We bought a second hand custom Triad trailer , built for a Tartan 27 about 5 years ago for $2000. It is wonderful, double axle, electric brakes. We hire a guy who has a ¡°Duelly¡± (double axle) pick up whose day job is long distance hauling to take our boat the 3 times we have moved it. These were short trips of 40-50 miles. I would offer you use of our trailer, but the boat is not in the water and sitting on the trailer as I write.
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Re: transporting a T27
T-27 is one of the heaviest 27s out there, coming up on 8k with much of anything aboard.? The river trip could be a looooong trip, but if you want to do it for the pleasure and experience as well, go for it. 8000 lb boat, plus whatever you put aboard plus 1000 or so for the trailer gives you a hefty load. So, you would need an 8k plus capacity trailer, which is 2) 4000 lb plus axles and 2000 lb capacity tires..15 inch load rated. Either get a trailer set up like that or modify one, many are built for a range of running gear and could take it. As well you need to decide, flatbed with cradle or custom fit with poppits, which depends on launch patterns. I have both, made a flatbed out of a boat trailer by welding 3" galv tubing for cross bars, and carry all sorts of stuff including boats on cradles. Probably put all together for $2K depending on timing. You can build a 1 time wood cradle of rough cut timbers for a couple hundred dollars then break it down or sell. You need a big vehicle to haul this like a Suburban, F whatever pickup w/10K+towing capacity. Safe travels, Will Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone |
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Re: transporting a T27
Well, I was just thinking about back in the late '60's how Tartan might have transported a new T-27 from Lake Erie to St. Pete. There were probably a few hot-shot commercial boat haulers back then who were contracted to transport the boat. Just guessing here but most likely those boats were transported on a drop-deck trailer, boat resting in a properly constructed wooden cradle adequately secured by a multitude of chain and straps. It's pretty safe to say a Ford P/U wasn't used as the pulling vehicle. But¡ Yes, a trailer that would reasonably "custom fit" the T-27 complete with adequate hauling capacity and braking would be a good investment (is there such a thing in boats?) mostly if the owner and boat are in harmony for a good number of years. And of course use the rental truck as the horse.
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The route from Peoria to St. Pete, traveling directly S to say P'cola and E to Tallahassee and down US27¡ not much elevation variation so not a lot of HP necessary, perhaps menos traffic tambien. Just a thought or two¡ :) John B On Jul 25, 2018, at 9:34 PM, calebjess@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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Re: transporting a T27
That is not a bad idea John.?
I have a cradle for #328 that we bought used for somewhere < $2k and it is big and heavy and could hold a larger boat.?
If you can figure out how to stablize a cradle on a flat bed trailer you would be in the Tartan 27' moving business (with appropriate tow vehicle).
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I monitor the Nor'sea 27' yahoo group as well and quite a few of them have trailers for their boats.? Some have trailered their boats coast to coast.? The NS 27' weighs up to 10,000 #s but is the same length as our boats so they have pretty beefy trailers, mostly double axles with brakes etc.? There is an art to trailering a big sailboat like that.? Some of the NS 27' owners use their trailers as cradles when their boat's are not in the water but presumably one of them is not using their trailer this summer and might be willing to loan it for a price.? Just a thought.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NorSea27/info
I am pretty sure that this group requires approval to join but I think you can send them group emails if you substitute NorSea27 for T27Owners in the [] in the subject line.? I'm not sure if yahoo groups checks to see if you are a member of that group.? I am a member of that group so I can't test out my theory.
There are a lot fewer Tartan 27 owners who also own trailers for their boats.
My $.02.
Caleb D.
T27 #328 Odalisque
NY
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From: John Bauer cjohnbauer@... [T27Owners] To: T27Owners Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [T27Owners] transporting a T27 So if you are willing to buy a trailer and do not own a truck, consider renting a truck. I was faced with similar situation and found a local rental place who offered a "full size" pickup truck for <$100/day WITH hitch. A F-150 with V-8 should easily be able to handle the boat and trailer. And if you could find a cradle or have someone construct one for you and then mount it on a flat-bed trailer of adequate length and strength ¡.. ?John B On Jul 25, 2018, at 9:42 AM, ackermwi@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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Re: transporting a T27
Reed, I used to live in the Albany NY area and a very good person to ship with is Adam who owns Reets boatworks .? He normally builds beautiful wooden speedboats, but also owns a couple of hydraulic trailers and a big rig.? He even has one trailer with a crane for mast stepping.? He's excellent as far as quality and dependability, but cost from Berkeley is probably way up there unless he happens to have a boat that needs to go west, too.? However, if you're near Albany I suggest contacting him to see what's up.? I know he vacations in mid-summer sometimes, so who knows, maybe he'd like a cross-country trip as part of a vacation. Good luck with your search.? I'll let you know if I find anything not listed in this group. --Bill 327 |
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Re: transporting a T27
Hey all
I built a trailer out of an old RV trailer frame that was given to me. Bought a harbor freight flux core wire welder and some steel from a fencing company. Got the measurements of of my boat and went to town. I wasnt sure where the center of gravity was but luckily I hit it really close. It worked going about 50 miles down the road. I would want to reinforce it some if going any farther. I hired a man who hauls mobile homes to pull mine. He had never pulled a boat before and wasn't too sure about it but it went well. If I were to go any farther I would also need to get it titled and licensed. My trailer is my boat cradle for now and probably the next couple of years. Then I plan to have it hauled to the Kerr-Mclellen and launched. The trailer will go up for sale then as I plan to travel the K-M to the Mississippi river and then points south. Total cost for welder,trailer and tow was about $750. Perhaps you could do something similar. I would loan you mine if it were possible. Good luck with your endeavors. Fair winds Kevin hull #513 |
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Re: transporting a T27
So if you are willing to buy a trailer and do not own a truck, consider renting a truck. I was faced with similar situation and found a local rental place who offered a "full size" pickup truck for <$100/day WITH hitch. A F-150 with V-8 should easily be able to handle the boat and trailer. And if you could find a cradle or have someone construct one for you and then mount it on a flat-bed trailer of adequate length and strength ¡.. ?John B
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On Jul 25, 2018, at 9:42 AM, ackermwi@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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Re: transporting a T27
Reed Perry
HI Bill, We? bought our T-27 with a trailer...and sold the trailer after delivery. At that time...2012...I saw a number of T-27 trailers asked for/offered. The price was around $2000...a lot less than buying new. The T27 is a big boat to trailer.? The trailer by itself is big...with a big rig to support the boat. Moving the boat from Peoria to ST. Pete via road may not be the adventure of a river move...but it is bound to be an adventure all the same. Reed Faith? 471 On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:42 AM, ackermwi@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: transporting a T27
Still trying to figure out the same thing right now, but moving from
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Berkeley to Albany. Hauling companies are quoting the neighborhood of $5500 which I'm not opposed to but money is money and I am not a rich man. Pulling the mast, putting it back, and haul-outs are on top of that. This is my most likely route. I emailed with the details after failing to get them on the phone. They promise instant quotes. Got a two word reply -- "in october". I'm still trying to figure that out. I have a listing open on uship.com to hire a company to haul but this seems horrible as well. The site says average is $4618 for that size/distance. I've gotten two quotes for close to $7000 so far. Looks like used trailers can be had for about $2500 but I can't actually get anyone with a Craigslist listing to respond. looks like they have some reasonable ones in that range. I've been trying to get them on the phone and figure out if they'll work with a delivery ckompany but about a dozen tries, they're always on the road, or don't answer, or something. When I did talk to them briefly while they were on the road, they seemed really confused about the idea of shipping and suggested finding something local. Not many places seem to deal in used trailers. Quote for new is about $7000. I'd still have $3000 in truck rental and fuel ahead of me, or else about as much for eg someone on uship.com to pick up the trailer and deliver and I'd still have to fly out again and get the trailer registered. It would be nice if the lot of us all had a trailer somewhere for occasions like this. One fellow on here built one out of an old tow RV chassis. Wonder if that's up for loan. I've been working on this for months. Wish I could pull her behind the moving truck I pick up in two days, but it's been a time vampire and everyone has sucked me dry. Hopefully other people have experience and ideas. Good luck =| -scott On 0, "ackermwi@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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transporting a T27
looking for ideas on how to transport from Peoria IL to St. Petersburg FL... Sailing through the river system is probably too long a trip for me right now, but might reconsider in the fall if no other good options.? I don't own a trailer or truck, but would consider buying a trailer if I could find a way to tow it on rare occasions like this. Ideas...? thanks. Bill Ackerman #327 Duette |
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Re: Mainsail
Although now that I think about it, the very end of the boom did occasionally hang up on the backstay when gybing but it was minor and didn't affect or wear on the sail. The PO had a new sail made to accomodate the change in boom height. I don't believe there was any other change made to the boom itself or the boom vang configuration. We didn't have a boom brake but would usually rig a temporary preventer to prevent an accidental gybe. The boom is pretty lengthy in these boats.
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Thanks !?? Ron #699 --
On Thursday, July 19, 2018, 8:35:35 AM GMT+8, ericpmac@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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As a previous owner of a T27-2 (1978, hull 660), the boom had been raised by a PO to accomodate a standard height bimini. I don't know the exact measurement, but attaching pics. Looks to be maybe as much as 12". I never noticed any negative sailing performance but I never sailed the boat before the boom was raised. -Eric
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Re: Mainsail
As a previous owner of a T27-2 (1978, hull 660), the boom had been raised by a PO to accomodate a standard height bimini. I don't know the exact measurement, but attaching pics. Looks to be maybe as much as 12".
I never noticed any negative sailing performance but I never sailed the boat before the boom was raised. -Eric |
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