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Re: Docks
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHurricanes aside, another way of reducing chafe at the dock are whips.? Marty Marty Levenson Registered art therapist 604-928.4033 ? sent by carrier pigeon ? On Jun 17, 2017, at 9:16 AM, cfdamm@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: Docks
If there is room, using an anchor to hold you off is great.
Exposure during a hurricane (we are in S Fl) is always bad. Definitely make a hurricane plan to get the boat where there is little fetch. If your dock location is protected you may just put out extra anchors in different directions and pull here away from the dock. Chafe gear, double lines , and long scope. Mainly make a plan and set up for it in advance, have all the gear, chafe shackles etc in place and ready to go. Just like hurricane shutters, you don't want to be cutting plywood when its is already gusting to 40 mph. Fair winds DAMSEL v |
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Re: Docks
Eagle was in the water for hurricane Sandy. She was at a dock quite a ways up a creek in a very protected area. We put out extra long lines and had no damage. Our boats in other marinas had damage from docks, pilings, etc.?. Boats on mooring did very well, except for one catamaran that broke loose. We went down to the bay to look around during the storm, and it was pretty impressive. The boats on moorings were bouncing around, but doing fine. I was glad our boat was not in that marina on the bay. We had to kayak to get to our boat due? to storm surge, but all was well. Fred Liesegang Eagle #662 |
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Re: Docks
Good ideas. Thanks.
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Monica Malone PsyD
monicam@... -----Original Message----- From: Dave Jepsky davejepsky@... [T27Owners] To: T27Owners Sent: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Docks
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Hi Monica,
A lot depends on how protected you are and which way the prevailing wind is.? A dock is nice as it is easy to work on the boat and load supplies and passengers.? It is not so nice if you have big waves coming in all the time.
You can put out a mushroom anchor with a float midway between bow and stern a little further away than the pilings would be. Then tie a line amidships to the boat to keep it off the dock.? Or just put out an anchor in the same spot if you leave for a while or are expecting a storm.
If you have a hurricane coming you might want to move the boat up a river to be protected.
Dave
From: "Monica Malone monicam@... [T27Owners]" <T27Owners@...> To: T27Owners@... Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Docks
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A mooring is an option. But the idea of loading and unloading stuff makes a dock more appealing.
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From: Dennis Barker ruralmaine@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> To: T27Owners <T27Owners@...> Sent: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 7:30 am Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Docks
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Have you considered putting in a mooring? ? I use a made in USA mooring anchor and chain.? No problems in ten years.? And as a bonus, I can move it here and there if I wish. ? Combining the trailer and the mooring, I can put the boat anywhere.? Just a thought. ? ? Mainestay ? ?Eastport, Maine
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:03 AM, monicam@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: Reviving the atomic 4 [2 Attachments]
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýPS, if? you want to go fresh water cooled (FWC), the Indigo
system with the pump hanging with the Alternator is better than
the Moyer system using a PTO in the front because WHEN the pump
leaks on the Moyer system it drizzles the starter into a
well-rusted mass, unlike the rear-mounted system.? I know from
experience. Good luck. DDM On 6/15/2017 2:56 PM,
tim@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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Re: Reviving the atomic 4 [2 Attachments]
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Tim, You have one of the newest versions of A-4, with the great feature of the oil fill pipe at the FRONT of the engine unlike older engines with fill buried back by the distributor.? You have the newer design "bonnet"-style cooling systems which looks nice but is not quite as simple and robust as the earliest versions.? Your electrics (distributor & starter and probably the alternator but the alt could be newer) are all AC-Delco.? You are right that the fuel pump is a Moyer Marine upgraded but based on an AC-Delco.? I like the Moyer upgraded fuel pump because: a) I like mechanical over electric as batteries are always going dead; and b) the old AC Delco bales and bases rotted out so a Stainless upgrade is wonderful.? I think your smart to check it out inside: its probably a full rebuilt in great shape!? Lucky guy. Your carb is an aluminum? Zenith 68 with no main adjustment jet no blow-by gas recovery intake: very straight forward.? You can probably get an adjustable main jet from Moyer or ... which would? give you something to tweak and perhaps slightly better fuel efficiency.? Rebuild kits with jets and? gaskets are readily available.? If that engine has ever used standard gas station? gas with ethanol, the carb will desparately need to be cleaned what what looks like gull guano!? Curl up with your flathead screwdriver, WD-40 and have fun. You exhaust system is not what I'm used to seeing, but it done actually very well!? You must have some kind of "hydro-hush" ("pot") system under the ice box rather than directly next to the engine.? Both you water injection goes high with an anti-syphon valves, and exhaust gas hoses loop reasonably well to prevent water from flowing? into the engine.? Clear the PO was working to keep the engine set up well. The one system I don't see is a separate coolant pump and hosing.? If you are located on the Great Lakes, it is less necesary to have fresh water cooling because you're raw water is not salty.? Still, its a better set-up to control the cooling fluid temperature, and is less worrysome in the winter for there is no fresh water IN the engine to freeze.? Your bat, your ball. That little puppy should serve you well and kindly once you set
'er lubricated up well.? Nothing but SAE 30 in the crankcase (you
need it for full oil pressure), with maybe some Marvel Mystery oil
to break up the sludge.? Also, ALWAYS some MMO in the gas for top
cylinder lubrication.? That engine was designed for leaded gas,
with the lead coating and lubricating the valves.? Now MMO does
much the same job.? Remember, that engine was STATE OF THE ART in
the 1930s.? Don't mess with success and newfangled ideas like
lead-free gas or 5-20 full synthetic watery-stuff if you want to
treat your old beastie right!!! Happy motoring! David Hull 236, A-4 from 1966 and running much better than me! On 6/15/2017 2:56 PM,
tim@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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Re: Docks
Hi Monica, A lot depends on how protected you are and which way the prevailing wind is.? A dock is nice as it is easy to work on the boat and load supplies and passengers.? It is not so nice if you have big waves coming in all the time. You can put out a mushroom anchor with a float midway between bow and stern a little further away than the pilings would be. Then tie a line amidships to the boat to keep it off the dock.? Or just put out an anchor in the same spot if you leave for a while or are expecting a storm. If you have a hurricane coming you might want to move the boat up a river to be protected. Dave From: "Monica Malone monicam@... [T27Owners]" To: T27Owners@... Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Docks
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A mooring is an option. But the idea of loading and unloading stuff makes a dock more appealing. Monica Malone PsyD
monicam@... -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Barker ruralmaine@... [T27Owners] To: T27Owners Sent: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 7:30 am Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Docks
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Have you considered putting in a mooring? ? I use a made in USA mooring anchor and chain.? No problems in ten years.? And as a bonus, I can move it here and there if I wish. ? Combining the trailer and the mooring, I can put the boat anywhere.? Just a thought. ? ? Mainestay ? ?Eastport, Maine
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:03 AM, monicam@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: Docks
A mooring is an option. But the idea of loading and unloading stuff makes a dock more appealing.
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Monica Malone PsyD
monicam@... -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Barker ruralmaine@... [T27Owners] To: T27Owners Sent: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 7:30 am Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Docks
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Have you considered putting in a mooring? ? I use a made in USA mooring anchor and chain.? No problems in ten years.? And as a bonus, I can move it here and there if I wish. ? Combining the trailer and the mooring, I can put the boat anywhere.? Just a thought. ? ? Mainestay ? ?Eastport, Maine
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:03 AM, monicam@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: Reviving the atomic 4
I love that I have found this group! I'm so thankful for all of the help, advice and support! Well I know my boat was loved and cared for well for most of its life and was only fairly recently neglected... It appears that the manual fuel pump may have been upgraded to the Moyer pump with the stainless sediment bowl... Can anyone tell me anything from these pictures in regards to the carb, alternator and exhaust? I did Change out the filter in the racor also by the way. I'm planning on spending the weekend with my boats and my family, will be taking my daughter out fishing on Father's Day , but am planning on fiddling with the fuel pump and doing a thumb compression test, pulling the carb to clean at my shop, pulling the starter and alternator to get serviced/refurbished at a shop I'm familiar with. Thanks again to everyone for taking your time!
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Re: Docks
Dennis Barker
Have you considered putting in a mooring? ? I use a made in USA mooring anchor and chain.? No problems in ten years.? And as a bonus, I can move it here and there if I wish. ? Combining the trailer and the mooring, I can put the boat anywhere.? Just a thought. ? ? Mainestay ? ?Eastport, Maine On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:03 AM, monicam@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Docks
Bron Yr Aur is getting closer to the water. I'm looking at long term docking options. I have one possible location to put in a dock, but I would not be able to add pilings to the outer side. What are the disadvantages of long term storage where it can only be secured on one side ? She will be living in hurricane territory. |
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Re: Reviving the atomic 4
I've got atomic 4s in two boats - one in my T27 and one in a Ranger 33. ?The Tartan has electric fuel pump and regular points. ?The Ranger has the old manual pump and electronic ignition. ?Both run great. ?You don't NEED to replace something it it's working. ?I would inspect the points/cap/rotor and if they look good, leave them be. ?Crank the motor over or pulse the fuel pump with the lever and see if you get fuel. ?If both systems are working, don't spend money replacing good stuff with new stuff. ?You can always leave a fuel pump rebuild kit on board for when the gasket fails, or a new set of points and cap/rotor.
I definitely recommend cleaning the carb - it's not that hard to do, it's pretty hard to screw up, and odds are the jets are gummed up from sitting for a few years without the motor running regularly. ?If you get it started but it won't idle you definitely need to pull and clean the carb. The other poster who mentioned the water pump is spot on. ?Make sure you're getting water out the back. ?If it takes more than 30 seconds of cranking to get it started, close the fresh water intake so you don't fill the waterlift muffler and then flood the engine with seawater through the exhaust valves. ?Of course when it starts, OPEN THAT THROUGH HULL AGAIN so you don't overheat the motor or burn out your water pump impeller. One warning about fuel pumps: ?replacing the manual pump with an electric pump requires an oil pressure sensor switch in the fuel pump circuit. ?The folks at Moyer will give better advice on that subject than I. Happy sailing/motoring! |
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Re: Centerboard - further update
Woo hoo Marty!
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Glad you are back in business.? Pretty big job replacing the centerboard. Congrats. Caleb D T27 #328 -----Original Message-----
From: Marty Levenson martylev@... [T27Owners] To: T27Owners Sent: Wed, Jun 14, 2017 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Centerboard - further update It was very rough and almost 20k gusty winds, so had the board down 1/4 just to try and stabilize the tracking a bit better. On the plus side, we were going 7.2 with the current. In hind site we should have let the traveler out more.?
Marty
Marty Levenson
Poseidon?
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Re: Centerboard - further update
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIt was very rough and almost 20k gusty winds, so had the board down 1/4 just to try and stabilize the tracking a bit better. On the plus side, we were going 7.2 with the current. In hind site we should have let the traveler out more.? Marty Marty Levenson Poseidon? ? sent by carrier pigeon ? On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Brad Robertson b1217@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: Centerboard - further update
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIf you are down wind, you really do not need much if any board. If you put a little tension on the CB pendant, it usually kills the thumping...Brad (Former)T-27 Yawl owner - now T3400 owner On 6/14/2017 11:51, Marty Levenson
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Centerboard - further update
Skippers -
Back in the water with a couple lessons learned. Briefly, the plan to install custom machined bronze sleeves failed. The glassed in bushings are not quite in line, so some sloppiness between pin and bushing is necessary to get the pin in at all. Instead I managed to grind the threads off brass nipples and use those as sloppy sleeves. Couldn't find bronze nipples, so opted for brass. In a five years I plan to drop the board again and inspect. I have a Unimat lathe, so thinking I can bring down the OD of the sleeves enough to use them next time around. Another lesson is that now I hear the board shifting (thumping) if it is down at all going down wind. I think the old board was swollen with rust, so the extra thickness kept it steadier. Everything else went pretty smoothly. Hope that is useful! Marty Poseidon Bowen Island |
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Re: Prop replacement
That is what I was going to say.? I went up and down the ICW using the old 2 blade prop and it worked fine.? You can throttle down a little and save on gas and get better mileage.? $700 is a lot of partying. From: "David Moir David.Moir@... [T27Owners]" To: T27Owners@... Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Prop replacement
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Happy to help, Jack.?
Of course propellers are by their nature a trade-off on a T-27.?
Racing Sailors love the two blades because they can be tucked
behind the deadwood of the keel during racing, which gives them a
small (crucial) speed advantage.? Big wheel 3 blades are loved by
put-put captains because they are optimized for drive under power
(such as life on the ICW).? The Indigo is a compromise, optimized
for the Tartan 34 which has? less deadwood than the T-27 and
therefore any wheel is a lot of sailing drag.? But don't forget a
most important fact: the A-4 was designed and built in Oshkosh,
Wisconsin for the river and great lakes transport trades.?
Whatever boat you have such as your "war canoe" T-27, if you trick
out that A-4 with a great river-running wheel, and it'll serve you
well and kindly.? Heck, just keep the old 2-blade and swap it back
in if you are ever silly enough to want to race your '60s sailing
stud!
On 6/14/2017 7:34 AM, 'Jack T Grant'
jack@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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