Although I can’t confirm it, I’ve been told that the red/black cables are of smaller gauge than the blue/white ones. They look the same to me and I have used them to create BWWB/BWBW reverser cables for small layouts that do not use large power cables. I can’t speak for the other cables you mentioned. ? Bottom line – any modules with “creative” wiring need to be confirmed for BWWB standards compliance when submitted for inclusion in a show layout. ? Terry Moore NRail Advisor Talkin’ T-TRAK ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jackson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 2:25 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [T-TrakGlobal] Tamiya connectors ? I just use the Kato connectors. I usually use the Extension Cord (blue/white) and cut it in half so I can use either end for the plug I need. Sometimes I will find the Turnout Extension Cords (red/black) or AC Extension Cord (brown/white with green plugs) for cheap in a parts pile at a train show and will use those just the same. I just have to make?sure I get the blue/white matched up with the proper connectors on the other extension cords since the colors are different. I don't believe there are any direct replacements for the plugs out there. Tamiya plugs are close, but not really close enough. ? What do T Trakers use for Track power connectors. The KATO Terminal
joiner seems wasteful since I have wire and crimpers. I tried ordering
some Connectors on EBAY but they are slightly oversized and will not fit
into a standard KATO connector.
Dave T
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Although I’ve used the double track 62mm straight pieces to power my modules in the past I have now switched to the powered rail joiners. To use the double track 62mm powered track the plug for the Yellow track is simply disassembled, the wires reversed and the plug reassembled thus creating the BWWB T-TRAK standard condition. To avoid confusion of the Red/Yellow tracks in corners and standard Steve Jackson junctions I do not wire them since they can be mounted both ways making the Red track Yellow and the Yellow track Red when connecting to the busses, reducing possible confusion. Not every module needs to be connected to the power bus. One in three will do. (Unfortunately many straight modules do not have power feeders) ? See NRail.org T-TRAK Resources Talkin’ T-TRAK ? Terry Moore NRail Advisor Talkin’ T-TRAK ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Geoff Dunn via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 2:08 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [T-TrakGlobal] Tamiya connectors ? It depends on the situation. For straight modules, I use the Kato power track pieces (although the double track pieces aren't set up per T-Track standards, as I recall). For curved tracks, I use the terminal joiners because they work and it's easy. If I have a section of non-Kato track, then I'll solder to the rails, but coming out of the module, I still use the Kato wires and connectors, per the standard.
Geoff On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 01:57:11 PM EST, David Thompson <davidct1960@...> wrote: What do T Trakers use for Track power connectors. The KATO Terminal joiner seems wasteful since I have wire and crimpers. I tried ordering some Connectors on EBAY but they are slightly oversized and will not fit into a standard KATO connector.
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I just use the Kato connectors. I usually use the Extension Cord (blue/white) and cut it in half so I can use either end for the plug I need. Sometimes I will find the Turnout Extension Cords (red/black) or AC Extension Cord (brown/white with green plugs) for cheap in a parts pile at a train show and will use those just the same. I just have to make?sure I get the blue/white matched up with the proper connectors on the other extension cords since the colors are different.
I don't believe there are any direct replacements for the plugs out there. Tamiya plugs are close, but not really close enough.
What do T Trakers use for Track power connectors. The KATO Terminal
joiner seems wasteful since I have wire and crimpers. I tried ordering
some Connectors on EBAY but they are slightly oversized and will not fit
into a standard KATO connector.
Dave T
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I know several folks who have tried to use the TAMIYA male and female connectors for T-TRAK. Unfortunately, although the designs seem to be identical they are not the same size (a minute difference) but the mismatch is just enough to make the TAMIYA connectors unavailable to us. The use of KATO wiring will not break the bank and avoids all confusion and mistakes when building T-TRAK modules. The use of Power Poles and the resultant wiring is a Recommended Practice but is outside of the T-TRAK Standards which require KATO wiring when modules are included in show layouts.
Although those who have used the TAMIYA connectors say "they work" I will not risk damaging conforming modules by forcing the use of TAMIYA connectors. Those modules are simply NOT connected to the power supply bus.
If you want to use your wire and crimpers create some heavy bus cables with Power Pole connectors for use in large layouts. But you will still need KATO wiring to connect the modules to the bus.
Check the T-TRAK Standards on NRail.org
Terry Moore
NRail Advisor
Talkin' T-TRAK
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:34 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [T-TrakGlobal] Tamiya connectors What do T Trakers use for Track power connectors. The KATO Terminal joiner seems wasteful since I have wire and crimpers. I tried ordering some Connectors on EBAY but they are slightly oversized and will not fit into a standard KATO connector. Dave T
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It depends on the situation. For straight modules, I use the Kato power track pieces (although the double track pieces aren't set up per T-Track standards, as I recall). For curved tracks, I use the terminal joiners because they work and it's easy. If I have a section of non-Kato track, then I'll solder to the rails, but coming out of the module, I still use the Kato wires and connectors, per the standard.
Geoff
On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 01:57:11 PM EST, David Thompson <davidct1960@...> wrote:
What do T Trakers use for Track power connectors. The KATO Terminal
joiner seems wasteful since I have wire and crimpers. I tried ordering
some Connectors on EBAY but they are slightly oversized and will not fit
into a standard KATO connector.
Dave T
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What do T Trakers use for Track power connectors. The KATO Terminal joiner seems wasteful since I have wire and crimpers. I tried ordering some Connectors on EBAY but they are slightly oversized and will not fit into a standard KATO connector.
Dave T
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Re: So you want The Latest in T-TRAK News and Info?
"I get plenty of Ttrak news and info thru nrail outside of fb and talking with follower ttrakers." Just FYI, the Official T-TRAK page IS NRAIL. and it is well moderated so that when people get out of sorts they are taken care of. If you do not know Bruce then you misunderstand. He Is very passionate about T-TRAK and does some outstanding work. He has done a lot for the community and T-TRAK as a whole, through volunteering his time and talents, His point I believe was not to trash a resource that is nearly 1,000 strong and growing quickly that is already providing resources and talent to its members since you personally do not have any interest in it or experience with it (the new forum). Hopefully in the future you will find it useful. Until then let me know how I can help.
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Bruce, the group's IO has its purpose it just isn't the same as social media. while 7 in 10 people use Social media for their daily information sources. Unlike social media sites people do not come here for their daily news, or information or to discuss modeling tips and techniques and if they do it is nowhere on the same scale or the same repetition. All we can do is provide the opportunities and hope they see the value of what we are offering,
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Geoff, If Fb is not for you (like many others) the by all means don't join, You can read the topics without joining, FB or the group. I was excited about the content and how fast we are growing. Lots of great information and participation. "Need" was a relevant statement not a demand. Why would you get offended or take exception to that? Here is a great resource that aligns the official side and the everyday T-TRAKer, the best blend to keep everyone informed, Call for modules and official participation, Gatherings, Banquets, get-togethers fellowship opportunities etc. Today around seven-in-ten Americans use social media to connect with one another, engage with news content, share information, and entertain themselves. So while you personally do not want to use Social Media? let me share what I know as the Social Media manager for N-Rail. Age groups?18-29 70% use Facebook and 71% use Instagram,?30-49: 77% use Facebook, and 48% use Instagram,?50-64: 73% use Facebook, and 29% use Instagram,?65+: 50% use Facebook, and 13% use Instagram. If you are 65 or older you as likely as not to be on social media but below that demographic it is 7+ in 10! Truth is a lot of people use it for getting their news, information, and fellowshipping and modeling experience. I was only bringing a great resource to the attention of the group.?
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Just tried that with a different browser, where I'm not logged into FB, and it works, thx.
Going directly to the group is a good idea even if you have an account and are logged in, actually.
FB's algorithms have their own idea of what you want to see, and even if you've joined a group, activity on that group may not show up unless you go looking for it specifically.
It would be nice if there was a way to "pin" a group so that they always show up.? I don't think there's a way to do that. Controlling what you see is pretty much their whole business.? If I'm wrong and there *is* a way to do that, someone please tell me.
On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 6:51?AM Brian King < bfkingj@...> wrote: Folks,
As I understand it, you don't need to "join" FB to access posts that are on there. If this is correct, then one can find information without participating in any conversations and the ads and spam should not affect you. If it doesn't work this way, then I agree FB is a PIA and a waste of my time.
Brian
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Folks,
As I understand it, you don't need to "join" FB to access posts that are on there. If this is correct, then one can find information without participating in any conversations and the ads and spam should not affect you. If it doesn't work this way, then I agree FB is a PIA and a waste of my time.
Brian
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As a member from the UK,I use both io and fb with little or no problem, I find this bitching? about fb a bore, can we please get on with the business of having fun with T-trak.? Di Tape.
On 9 Oct 2023 00:28, "Todd Blose via groups.io" <bloseclan@...> wrote: Guys, I thought we were in this to have fun.? The latest comments reinforces the very problem you are discussing about Facebook.? From my perspective someone asked for help.? A suggestion was provided.? The recipient seemed to take offense to "you need".? I do not believe it was a demand, it was a suggestion that the page could provide the assistance being asked.? Then all H*** seems to have broken loose.? Like when I asked, as a relative newbie, about heights off of the table.? My primary club uses 4".? In recent traveling I had seen 3 1/2", 2 ". no inches, and whoever set up the first module would establish the height, with all being level being the standard.? I asked if there was a National standard at the conventions.? One would have thought I had started WW III.? That, and this, type of discussion is a huge turnoff.? I am a member of several modelling and historical (e.g. North Africa campaign, ancient Rome, etc.) from which I get a lot of hints, suggestions, and help.? Yes, at times a J$$$ gets involved.? I choose to ignore them rather than waste my time with them.? Lets chill a bit.? Remember, HAVE FUN.?
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When this group moved from Yahoo groups, it was set up so that everyone's first post is moderated - checked to see if it's a real message (not spam), mostly. The moderators get an email when someone new posts. In the best case, a first-time poster's message can take a few minutes to post. If the moderators are not checking their email, it could take much longer.
Once someone has had their first message approved, they are no longer automatically moderated.
Just in case anyone is curious...
Geoff
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Guys, I thought we were in this to have fun.? The latest comments reinforces the very problem you are discussing about Facebook.? From my perspective someone asked for help.? A suggestion was provided.? The recipient seemed to take offense to "you need".? I do not believe it was a demand, it was a suggestion that the page could provide the assistance being asked.? Then all H*** seems to have broken loose.? Like when I asked, as a relative newbie, about heights off of the table.? My primary club uses 4".? In recent traveling I had seen 3 1/2", 2 ". no inches, and whoever set up the first module would establish the height, with all being level being the standard.? I asked if there was a National standard at the conventions.? One would have thought I had started WW III.? That, and this, type of discussion is a huge turnoff.? I am a member of several modelling and historical (e.g. North Africa campaign, ancient Rome, etc.) from which I get a lot of hints, suggestions, and help.? Yes, at times a J$$$ gets involved.? I choose to ignore them rather than waste my time with them.? Lets chill a bit.? Remember, HAVE FUN.?
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Bruce,
Your response is why many don’t want to go to fb. Attitude. I’d rather be a hermit than have people talk to others this way. Fb is designed to make it reactive place and thus I don’t find it a polite, collaborative environment to spend any time in, even when filtered heavily. I get plenty of Ttrak news and info thru nrail outside of fb and talking with follower ttrakers.
Jeff
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On Oct 8, 2023, at 1:10 PM, Bruce Arbo <coastalalabamattrak@...> wrote:
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right, because ‘this list’ has been Sooooo informative!
averaging about 8 threads per YEAR! (With VERY few posts per thread)
?If you are relying on this group for info, ideas, and news about T-TRAK…?
?I’m not advocating for Facebook in any way, but it’s pretty darned easy to filter your preferences so that you ‘see’ only the group posts that interest you and not a ‘stream of crap’ (with which I completely agree!- at best, if not filtered to your preferences, the odious crap that can easily pervade Facebook is voluminous!!!)
?However, as I said, it’s a simple matter to go to your settings and make the changes that allow only the groups that appeal to you to be seen in your ‘feed’.
That way you’re not inundated with useless drivel.
I’m with you on wanting to avoid Facebook/Meta and its BS, but, again, relying on this group for T-TRAK news, info, techniques, standards, etc. is akin to living as a hermit in a cave. It’s a yahoo death rattle.
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right, because ‘this list’ has been Sooooo informative!
averaging about 8 threads per YEAR! (With VERY few posts per thread)
?If you are relying on this group for info, ideas, and news about T-TRAK…?
?I’m not advocating for Facebook in any way, but it’s pretty darned easy to filter your preferences so that you ‘see’ only the group posts that interest you and not a ‘stream of crap’ (with which I completely agree!- at best, if not filtered to your preferences, the odious crap that can easily pervade Facebook is voluminous!!!)
?However, as I said, it’s a simple matter to go to your settings and make the changes that allow only the groups that appeal to you to be seen in your ‘feed’.
That way you’re not inundated with useless drivel.
I’m with you on wanting to avoid Facebook/Meta and its BS, but, again, relying on this group for T-TRAK news, info, techniques, standards, etc. is akin to living as a hermit in a cave. It’s a yahoo death rattle.
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Geoff, I'm with you about Facebook.
Although occasionally I pinch my nose, jump in, and look for info on specific subjects, and try to get out without being distracted by the site's stream of crap....
Anyway, we have this list, let's use it.
On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 4:24?AM Geoff Dunn via <geoffdunnsoccer= [email protected]> wrote: Sorry, I don't NEED to have anything to do with Facebook.
Geoff
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 06:30:13 PM EDT, Andy Zimmerman < gntrainman@...> wrote:
Then, you need to join the Fastest growing Official T-TRAK site! NRAIL has sposored an Official T-TRAK page where we will bring yo information on ZoomTrak, Official Calls for modules, NRAIL participation in Shows along with supporting Local clubs and shows with T-TRAK participation. If you are not a member you need to be >>>>? ? Andy ? Andy J. Zimmerman ATCS AW USN Ret. BBMRA President
NRMRC Member NRail Director and Social Media Manager NMRA SSR Director at Large
NMRA Standards &Conformance Manager and? IT Volunteer Member Ph- (C ) 850-524-4399 ? ![]()
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Sorry, I don't NEED to have anything to do with Facebook.
Geoff
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 06:30:13 PM EDT, Andy Zimmerman <gntrainman@...> wrote:
Then, you need to join the Fastest growing Official T-TRAK site! NRAIL has sposored an Official T-TRAK page where we will bring yo information on ZoomTrak, Official Calls for modules, NRAIL participation in Shows along with supporting Local clubs and shows with T-TRAK participation. If you are not a member you need to be >>>>? ? Andy ? Andy J. Zimmerman ATCS AW USN Ret. BBMRA President
NRMRC Member NRail Director and Social Media Manager NMRA SSR Director at Large
NMRA Standards &Conformance Manager and? IT Volunteer Member Ph- (C ) 850-524-4399 ? ![]()
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So you want The Latest in T-TRAK News and Info?
Then, you need to join the Fastest growing Official T-TRAK site! NRAIL has sposored an Official T-TRAK page where we will bring yo information on ZoomTrak, Official Calls for modules, NRAIL participation in Shows along with supporting Local clubs and shows with T-TRAK participation. If you are not a member you need to be >>>>? ? Andy ? Andy J. Zimmerman ATCS AW USN Ret. BBMRA President
NRMRC Member NRail Director and Social Media Manager NMRA SSR Director at Large
NMRA Standards &Conformance Manager and? IT Volunteer Member Ph- (C ) 850-524-4399 ? ? ?
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So you want The Latest in T-TRAK News and Info?
Then, you need to join the fastest growing Official T-TRAK site! NRAIL has sponsored an Official T-TRAK page where we will bring you information on ZoomTrak, Official Calls for modules, NRAIL participation in Shows, and supporting Local clubs and shows with T-TRAK participation. If you are not a member, you need to be >>>>? closing in on 900 members and on track for?twice that by year's end. Great topics, news and resources!
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Andy
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Andy J. Zimmerman
ATCS AW USN Ret.
BBMRA President
NRMRC Member
NRail Director and Social Media Manager
NMRA SSR Director at Large
NMRA Standards &Conformance Manager and? IT Volunteer Member
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