From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael King
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

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I am new to sailing at 77 years old.? I traded a jet ski a few years ago for a Whistler sailboat and my sailing life began.? The Whiastler is a 11 foot sloop rigged dinghy for two.? Kind of tubby and a bit slow, but a great boat for a new guy to learn to handle two sails single handed.? I was hooked the first time I put up the sail.? Two years later, i acquired a Force 5 for the price of hauling it away.? I took lots of practice and a bunch of capsizes.? The big hi aspect ratio sail was bit much for my weight and skills so I bought a junior sail.? A good choice especially when I wanted to sail and not swim and the breeze was north of 15 mph.??
Two years ago I saw an older Sunfish that had been sitting behind a shed for years.? I drove by it almost every day.? One day I walked up to the house to see if it might be for sale.? A young woman told me it was mine if i would haul it away.? It was in my backyard that afternoon.? I made a new old style rudder, repaired the CB and fixed a few odds and ends and in a few days I was sailing this 1964 Alcort Sunfish.? I live right on the water on Bogue Sound in NC so I was out there two to three days a week.? Here are my thoughts on the Sunfish:??
(1)? The latteen rigged sail makes launch, landing, docking so easy.? I cannot tell you how many times I have sailed right to my dock and dropped the sail like I knew what I was doing.? I moved the halyard cleat to the cock pit to make this maneuver easy.? The low aspect ratio sail is less risky on a gybe. and its position can be adjusted so it is easier for old timers like me to get to the other side of the boat on tacks and gybes.
(2)? The boat is plenty quick which makes tacking under bridges and narrow channels against the current very doable.? My Whistler doesn't make it half the time.? And downwnd it is a lot safer than the Force 5 which has a propensity to death roll.? I know some of you athletic seasoned sailors could gybe on downwind runs in a F5, but it takes perfect balancing and precise moves to do it in stronger winds.? I came home in a 25 mph? 4 mile run, in my Sunfish? and stayed out of the water.? It was a real thriller on plane the whole way.
(3)? The sunfish is a breeze to right.? The Force 5 with its tall water filled mast is not so easy.
(4)? The lip on the gunwales make a hiking strap unnecessary and the pivoting wooden tiller extension is adequate for everything but all out racing.

Overall it is easy to see why the lowly Sunfish is the most popular and often raced dinghy ever made.? It does so many things well for novists and seasoned racers alike.? The designers of this little boat got it pretty much right from the get go.? My hats off to them.?
This year I converted my rudder to the newer flip up design and gave my sun scorched deck a couple coats of bright yellow marine epoxy.? This old boat deserved some TLC.? It is hard to believe this little boat is almost 70 years old and for the most part unchanged despite often changed ownership.

Mr Mike

?

Hi Mike,

?

I don't think anyone responded to you, at least I didn't see it, so I'm going to chime in (the world has been a bit distracted).

?

I think I got my first Sunfish in 1964, the year your boat was built, when I was 10 years old. These are pretty grim days and reading your report really made me smile. I'm glad you're having so much fun having discovered sailing and that you are enjoying the experience with your Sunfish! Thanks for sharing that with us.

?

I'm glad you've upgraded your rudder. I can vividly remember being on a screaming plane and having the rudder pop up and go out of control. The antidote was to crack down as hard as possible on the wingnut. Of course if you forgot to loosen it and you ran up on the beach it lifted up the brass plate on the deck and then you had a repair to do ….. Sometimes just a bunch of toothpicks jammed into the whole was enough to get the screws to bite and you are off on your next adventure.

?

I wish we all would stipulate to not worrying about what our bottoms looked like anymore, as serious racers, so we could just run our boats up on the beach. That was a lot of fun and in roaring Lake Michigan northeaster. Without a breakwater, pretty much surfing onto the beach was the only safe way to get there if you didn't want to capsize in the surf and bend your upper spar.

?

Please be safe. Every social interaction entails some degree of risk.

?

Best regards,

?

Mark

?

?

Mark A. Kastel

Kastel@...

608-625-2042

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael King
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

?

I am new to sailing at 77 years old.? I traded a jet ski a few years ago for a Whistler sailboat and my sailing life began.? The Whiastler is a 11 foot sloop rigged dinghy for two.? Kind of tubby and a bit slow, but a great boat for a new guy to learn to handle two sails single handed.? I was hooked the first time I put up the sail.? Two years later, i acquired a Force 5 for the price of hauling it away.? I took lots of practice and a bunch of capsizes.? The big hi aspect ratio sail was bit much for my weight and skills so I bought a junior sail.? A good choice especially when I wanted to sail and not swim and the breeze was north of 15 mph.??
Two years ago I saw an older Sunfish that had been sitting behind a shed for years.? I drove by it almost every day.? One day I walked up to the house to see if it might be for sale.? A young woman told me it was mine if i would haul it away.? It was in my backyard that afternoon.? I made a new old style rudder, repaired the CB and fixed a few odds and ends and in a few days I was sailing this 1964 Alcort Sunfish.? I live right on the water on Bogue Sound in NC so I was out there two to three days a week.? Here are my thoughts on the Sunfish:??
(1)? The latteen rigged sail makes launch, landing, docking so easy.? I cannot tell you how many times I have sailed right to my dock and dropped the sail like I knew what I was doing.? I moved the halyard cleat to the cock pit to make this maneuver easy.? The low aspect ratio sail is less risky on a gybe. and its position can be adjusted so it is easier for old timers like me to get to the other side of the boat on tacks and gybes.
(2)? The boat is plenty quick which makes tacking under bridges and narrow channels against the current very doable.? My Whistler doesn't make it half the time.? And downwnd it is a lot safer than the Force 5 which has a propensity to death roll.? I know some of you athletic seasoned sailors could gybe on downwind runs in a F5, but it takes perfect balancing and precise moves to do it in stronger winds.? I came home in a 25 mph? 4 mile run, in my Sunfish? and stayed out of the water.? It was a real thriller on plane the whole way.
(3)? The sunfish is a breeze to right.? The Force 5 with its tall water filled mast is not so easy.
(4)? The lip on the gunwales make a hiking strap unnecessary and the pivoting wooden tiller extension is adequate for everything but all out racing.

Overall it is easy to see why the lowly Sunfish is the most popular and often raced dinghy ever made.? It does so many things well for novists and seasoned racers alike.? The designers of this little boat got it pretty much right from the get go.? My hats off to them.?
This year I converted my rudder to the newer flip up design and gave my sun scorched deck a couple coats of bright yellow marine epoxy.? This old boat deserved some TLC.? It is hard to believe this little boat is almost 70 years old and for the most part unchanged despite often changed ownership.

Mr Mike

From: hughcg@... [mailto:hughcg@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 6:56 PM
To: kastel@...
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

?

?

Thanks Mark,

I forgot to mention a couple of other improvements I made.? A tiller tension/lock device.? Often I have to paddle up my canal and this tiller lock allows me to lock the tiller at a little angle and I only have to paddle from one side.? It also frees up my tiller hand when I have to relieve myself or get a cold drink.? I used a cam cleat for the main sheet in place of a ratchet block,? It works great.? When replacing the rudder mechanism, I ?had to put in a access port which permitted? me a look at the inside.? One of the foam blocks was loose. A small stick wedged? between the blocks fixed that.

While ?I like my Force 5, I think the little Sunfish is more versatile, a bit more forgiving, and not such a handful I brisk winds.? I will enter my first Sunfish regatta this summer…..a whole new experience for this novice sailor.

?

Regards,

?

Mr Mike

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

?

Hi Mike,

?

I don't think anyone responded to you, at least I didn't see it, so I'm going to chime in (the world has been a bit distracted).

?

I think I got my first Sunfish in 1964, the year your boat was built, when I was 10 years old. These are pretty grim days and reading your report really made me smile. I'm glad you're having so much fun having discovered sailing and that you are enjoying the experience with your Sunfish! Thanks for sharing that with us.

?

I'm glad you've upgraded your rudder. I can vividly remember being on a screaming plane and having the rudder pop up and go out of control. The antidote was to crack down as hard as possible on the wingnut. Of course if you forgot to loosen it and you ran up on the beach it lifted up the brass plate on the deck and then you had a repair to do ….. Sometimes just a bunch of toothpicks jammed into the whole was enough to get the screws to bite and you are off on your next adventure.

?

I wish we all would stipulate to not worrying about what our bottoms looked like anymore, as serious racers, so we could just run our boats up on the beach. That was a lot of fun and in roaring Lake Michigan northeaster. Without a breakwater, pretty much surfing onto the beach was the only safe way to get there if you didn't want to capsize in the surf and bend your upper spar.

?

Please be safe. Every social interaction entails some degree of risk.

?

Best regards,

?

Mark

?

?

Mark A. Kastel

Kastel@...

608-625-2042

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael King
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

?

I am new to sailing at 77 years old.? I traded a jet ski a few years ago for a Whistler sailboat and my sailing life began.? The Whiastler is a 11 foot sloop rigged dinghy for two.? Kind of tubby and a bit slow, but a great boat for a new guy to learn to handle two sails single handed.? I was hooked the first time I put up the sail.? Two years later, i acquired a Force 5 for the price of hauling it away.? I took lots of practice and a bunch of capsizes.? The big hi aspect ratio sail was bit much for my weight and skills so I bought a junior sail.? A good choice especially when I wanted to sail and not swim and the breeze was north of 15 mph.??
Two years ago I saw an older Sunfish that had been sitting behind a shed for years.? I drove by it almost every day.? One day I walked up to the house to see if it might be for sale.? A young woman told me it was mine if i would haul it away.? It was in my backyard that afternoon.? I made a new old style rudder, repaired the CB and fixed a few odds and ends and in a few days I was sailing this 1964 Alcort Sunfish.? I live right on the water on Bogue Sound in NC so I was out there two to three days a week.? Here are my thoughts on the Sunfish:??
(1)? The latteen rigged sail makes launch, landing, docking so easy.? I cannot tell you how many times I have sailed right to my dock and dropped the sail like I knew what I was doing.? I moved the halyard cleat to the cock pit to make this maneuver easy.? The low aspect ratio sail is less risky on a gybe. and its position can be adjusted so it is easier for old timers like me to get to the other side of the boat on tacks and gybes.
(2)? The boat is plenty quick which makes tacking under bridges and narrow channels against the current very doable.? My Whistler doesn't make it half the time.? And downwnd it is a lot safer than the Force 5 which has a propensity to death roll.? I know some of you athletic seasoned sailors could gybe on downwind runs in a F5, but it takes perfect balancing and precise moves to do it in stronger winds.? I came home in a 25 mph? 4 mile run, in my Sunfish? and stayed out of the water.? It was a real thriller on plane the whole way.
(3)? The sunfish is a breeze to right.? The Force 5 with its tall water filled mast is not so easy.
(4)? The lip on the gunwales make a hiking strap unnecessary and the pivoting wooden tiller extension is adequate for everything but all out racing.

Overall it is easy to see why the lowly Sunfish is the most popular and often raced dinghy ever made.? It does so many things well for novists and seasoned racers alike.? The designers of this little boat got it pretty much right from the get go.? My hats off to them.?
This year I converted my rudder to the newer flip up design and gave my sun scorched deck a couple coats of bright yellow marine epoxy.? This old boat deserved some TLC.? It is hard to believe this little boat is almost 70 years old and for the most part unchanged despite often changed ownership.

Mr Mike

?

Hi Mike,

?

When I first got my boat there weren't any cleats that were legal, only that hook in the photo under your cleat. As we tacked we needed to switch the orientation of the line. Speaking of the line, we could only buy a main sheet from Alcort. It was three braid cotton or manila. And it would shrink and be too short to let the boom out all the way. The sailors had a little bit of a riot and we were allowed to use Dacron. They would still be too short and it would take a few years until they made the length unregulated.

?

I had a center cleat like you have, when it became legal, that was manufactured by Mariner, which was a prestigious brand of yacht fittings at the time. It worked pretty well. You can use your cleat while you are racing but I don't think the gizmo on your tiller is legal.

?

Glad you are making the leap into racing. I don't know where you are located but I'm sure if you ask for a little support people will be happy to help get you up to speed. The class sells a book called "the Sunfish Bible." Reading that carefully will hasten your learning curve.

?

Happy days,

?

Mark

?

PS: Below is a shot of my current boat, a really pretty 1984 that I started racing again three years ago after a 45 year hiatus in the class. It looks exactly like my second Sunfish which was probably circa 1971. I wonder if I stayed ahead of Bob Finley and Dan Norton at the finish of this race???

?

?

?

?

Thanks Mark,

I forgot to mention a couple of other improvements I made.? A tiller tension/lock device.? Often I have to paddle up my canal and this tiller lock allows me to lock the tiller at a little angle and I only have to paddle from one side.? It also frees up my tiller hand when I have to relieve myself or get a cold drink.? I used a cam cleat for the main sheet in place of a ratchet block,? It works great.? When replacing the rudder mechanism, I ?had to put in a access port which permitted? me a look at the inside.? One of the foam blocks was loose. A small stick wedged? between the blocks fixed that.

While ?I like my Force 5, I think the little Sunfish is more versatile, a bit more forgiving, and not such a handful I brisk winds.? I will enter my first Sunfish regatta this summer…..a whole new experience for this novice sailor.

?

Regards,

?

Mr Mike

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

?

Hi Mike,

?

I don't think anyone responded to you, at least I didn't see it, so I'm going to chime in (the world has been a bit distracted).

?

I think I got my first Sunfish in 1964, the year your boat was built, when I was 10 years old. These are pretty grim days and reading your report really made me smile. I'm glad you're having so much fun having discovered sailing and that you are enjoying the experience with your Sunfish! Thanks for sharing that with us.

?

I'm glad you've upgraded your rudder. I can vividly remember being on a screaming plane and having the rudder pop up and go out of control. The antidote was to crack down as hard as possible on the wingnut. Of course if you forgot to loosen it and you ran up on the beach it lifted up the brass plate on the deck and then you had a repair to do ….. Sometimes just a bunch of toothpicks jammed into the whole was enough to get the screws to bite and you are off on your next adventure.

?

I wish we all would stipulate to not worrying about what our bottoms looked like anymore, as serious racers, so we could just run our boats up on the beach. That was a lot of fun and in roaring Lake Michigan northeaster. Without a breakwater, pretty much surfing onto the beach was the only safe way to get there if you didn't want to capsize in the surf and bend your upper spar.

?

Please be safe. Every social interaction entails some degree of risk.

?

Best regards,

?

Mark

?

?

Mark A. Kastel

Kastel@...

608-625-2042

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael King
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

?

I am new to sailing at 77 years old.? I traded a jet ski a few years ago for a Whistler sailboat and my sailing life began.? The Whiastler is a 11 foot sloop rigged dinghy for two.? Kind of tubby and a bit slow, but a great boat for a new guy to learn to handle two sails single handed.? I was hooked the first time I put up the sail.? Two years later, i acquired a Force 5 for the price of hauling it away.? I took lots of practice and a bunch of capsizes.? The big hi aspect ratio sail was bit much for my weight and skills so I bought a junior sail.? A good choice especially when I wanted to sail and not swim and the breeze was north of 15 mph.??
Two years ago I saw an older Sunfish that had been sitting behind a shed for years.? I drove by it almost every day.? One day I walked up to the house to see if it might be for sale.? A young woman told me it was mine if i would haul it away.? It was in my backyard that afternoon.? I made a new old style rudder, repaired the CB and fixed a few odds and ends and in a few days I was sailing this 1964 Alcort Sunfish.? I live right on the water on Bogue Sound in NC so I was out there two to three days a week.? Here are my thoughts on the Sunfish:??
(1)? The latteen rigged sail makes launch, landing, docking so easy.? I cannot tell you how many times I have sailed right to my dock and dropped the sail like I knew what I was doing.? I moved the halyard cleat to the cock pit to make this maneuver easy.? The low aspect ratio sail is less risky on a gybe. and its position can be adjusted so it is easier for old timers like me to get to the other side of the boat on tacks and gybes.
(2)? The boat is plenty quick which makes tacking under bridges and narrow channels against the current very doable.? My Whistler doesn't make it half the time.? And downwnd it is a lot safer than the Force 5 which has a propensity to death roll.? I know some of you athletic seasoned sailors could gybe on downwind runs in a F5, but it takes perfect balancing and precise moves to do it in stronger winds.? I came home in a 25 mph? 4 mile run, in my Sunfish? and stayed out of the water.? It was a real thriller on plane the whole way.
(3)? The sunfish is a breeze to right.? The Force 5 with its tall water filled mast is not so easy.
(4)? The lip on the gunwales make a hiking strap unnecessary and the pivoting wooden tiller extension is adequate for everything but all out racing.

Overall it is easy to see why the lowly Sunfish is the most popular and often raced dinghy ever made.? It does so many things well for novists and seasoned racers alike.? The designers of this little boat got it pretty much right from the get go.? My hats off to them.?
This year I converted my rudder to the newer flip up design and gave my sun scorched deck a couple coats of bright yellow marine epoxy.? This old boat deserved some TLC.? It is hard to believe this little boat is almost 70 years old and for the most part unchanged despite often changed ownership.

Mr Mike

?

Thanks Mark,

I really have no intention of becoming a racer.? The curve is too steep and I am tooo dang old.? I live in North Carolina and am on the water 2-3 days a week from May to November and now have a dry suit for the winter days that I get out there.? This regatta is a race around Harkers Island and should create an opportunity to meet other local sailors.? For me it will just be a fun event.? My goal is simply to finish. I surely know I do not have the skills to be competitive. ?The devices I installed are just things to make sailing simpler and easy for me.? I guess it is the engineer in my background.?

?

Attached is my latest fabrication.? I can get my boats out of the water and move them around in the yard to work on with ease.? I have about $20 in mine.? Store bought dollies go for a lot more.? I am also phasing out of old motorcycles.? Restored and rebuilt a few old BSA’sand rode them most of my life.? I am down from 5 bikes to 1 and up from 1 sailboat to 3…..so you can see how things are going for me..? Sailing is a refreshing change that keeps me busy in retirement.? I am still amazed how this little boat is so good in so many ways with few shortcomings

?

Mr Mike

?

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

?

Hi Mike,

?

When I first got my boat there weren't any cleats that were legal, only that hook in the photo under your cleat. As we tacked we needed to switch the orientation of the line. Speaking of the line, we could only buy a main sheet from Alcort. It was three braid cotton or manila. And it would shrink and be too short to let the boom out all the way. The sailors had a little bit of a riot and we were allowed to use Dacron. They would still be too short and it would take a few years until they made the length unregulated.

?

I had a center cleat like you have, when it became legal, that was manufactured by Mariner, which was a prestigious brand of yacht fittings at the time. It worked pretty well. You can use your cleat while you are racing but I don't think the gizmo on your tiller is legal.

?

Glad you are making the leap into racing. I don't know where you are located but I'm sure if you ask for a little support people will be happy to help get you up to speed. The class sells a book called "the Sunfish Bible." Reading that carefully will hasten your learning curve.

?

Happy days,

?

Mark

?

PS: Below is a shot of my current boat, a really pretty 1984 that I started racing again three years ago after a 45 year hiatus in the class. It looks exactly like my second Sunfish which was probably circa 1971. I wonder if I stayed ahead of Bob Finley and Dan Norton at the finish of this race???

?

?

?

?

Thanks Mark,

I forgot to mention a couple of other improvements I made.? A tiller tension/lock device.? Often I have to paddle up my canal and this tiller lock allows me to lock the tiller at a little angle and I only have to paddle from one side.? It also frees up my tiller hand when I have to relieve myself or get a cold drink.? I used a cam cleat for the main sheet in place of a ratchet block,? It works great.? When replacing the rudder mechanism, I ?had to put in a access port which permitted? me a look at the inside.? One of the foam blocks was loose. A small stick wedged? between the blocks fixed that.

While ?I like my Force 5, I think the little Sunfish is more versatile, a bit more forgiving, and not such a handful I brisk winds.? I will enter my first Sunfish regatta this summer…..a whole new experience for this novice sailor.

?

Regards,

?

Mr Mike

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

?

Hi Mike,

?

I don't think anyone responded to you, at least I didn't see it, so I'm going to chime in (the world has been a bit distracted).

?

I think I got my first Sunfish in 1964, the year your boat was built, when I was 10 years old. These are pretty grim days and reading your report really made me smile. I'm glad you're having so much fun having discovered sailing and that you are enjoying the experience with your Sunfish! Thanks for sharing that with us.

?

I'm glad you've upgraded your rudder. I can vividly remember being on a screaming plane and having the rudder pop up and go out of control. The antidote was to crack down as hard as possible on the wingnut. Of course if you forgot to loosen it and you ran up on the beach it lifted up the brass plate on the deck and then you had a repair to do ….. Sometimes just a bunch of toothpicks jammed into the whole was enough to get the screws to bite and you are off on your next adventure.

?

I wish we all would stipulate to not worrying about what our bottoms looked like anymore, as serious racers, so we could just run our boats up on the beach. That was a lot of fun and in roaring Lake Michigan northeaster. Without a breakwater, pretty much surfing onto the beach was the only safe way to get there if you didn't want to capsize in the surf and bend your upper spar.

?

Please be safe. Every social interaction entails some degree of risk.

?

Best regards,

?

Mark

?

?

Mark A. Kastel

Kastel@...

608-625-2042

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael King
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

?

I am new to sailing at 77 years old.? I traded a jet ski a few years ago for a Whistler sailboat and my sailing life began.? The Whiastler is a 11 foot sloop rigged dinghy for two.? Kind of tubby and a bit slow, but a great boat for a new guy to learn to handle two sails single handed.? I was hooked the first time I put up the sail.? Two years later, i acquired a Force 5 for the price of hauling it away.? I took lots of practice and a bunch of capsizes.? The big hi aspect ratio sail was bit much for my weight and skills so I bought a junior sail.? A good choice especially when I wanted to sail and not swim and the breeze was north of 15 mph.??
Two years ago I saw an older Sunfish that had been sitting behind a shed for years.? I drove by it almost every day.? One day I walked up to the house to see if it might be for sale.? A young woman told me it was mine if i would haul it away.? It was in my backyard that afternoon.? I made a new old style rudder, repaired the CB and fixed a few odds and ends and in a few days I was sailing this 1964 Alcort Sunfish.? I live right on the water on Bogue Sound in NC so I was out there two to three days a week.? Here are my thoughts on the Sunfish:??
(1)? The latteen rigged sail makes launch, landing, docking so easy.? I cannot tell you how many times I have sailed right to my dock and dropped the sail like I knew what I was doing.? I moved the halyard cleat to the cock pit to make this maneuver easy.? The low aspect ratio sail is less risky on a gybe. and its position can be adjusted so it is easier for old timers like me to get to the other side of the boat on tacks and gybes.
(2)? The boat is plenty quick which makes tacking under bridges and narrow channels against the current very doable.? My Whistler doesn't make it half the time.? And downwnd it is a lot safer than the Force 5 which has a propensity to death roll.? I know some of you athletic seasoned sailors could gybe on downwind runs in a F5, but it takes perfect balancing and precise moves to do it in stronger winds.? I came home in a 25 mph? 4 mile run, in my Sunfish? and stayed out of the water.? It was a real thriller on plane the whole way.
(3)? The sunfish is a breeze to right.? The Force 5 with its tall water filled mast is not so easy.
(4)? The lip on the gunwales make a hiking strap unnecessary and the pivoting wooden tiller extension is adequate for everything but all out racing.

Overall it is easy to see why the lowly Sunfish is the most popular and often raced dinghy ever made.? It does so many things well for novists and seasoned racers alike.? The designers of this little boat got it pretty much right from the get go.? My hats off to them.?
This year I converted my rudder to the newer flip up design and gave my sun scorched deck a couple coats of bright yellow marine epoxy.? This old boat deserved some TLC.? It is hard to believe this little boat is almost 70 years old and for the most part unchanged despite often changed ownership.

Mr Mike

?

Hi Mike,

?

You don't have to win or be highly competitive to have a great time attending a regatta. If you enjoy the around the island race you might want to try an additional event or two.

?

I once campaigned in Olympic Star boat in the trials back in the 1980s. I typically finished in the top tier of boats at regattas. ?I knew going in that I wasn't going to win a berth in the Olympics but I was going to have a lot of fun competing and I was going to push hard on the top competitors helping them hone their skills. My home fleet in Chicago was awesome. It included Olympic medalists, Buddy Melges who had won the Star worlds and other former Olympians. I beat Buddy and the other top dogs, albeit rarely, but just sailing with top talent is really exciting and you can learn a lot. Once in a blue moon I would beat them in a full series. In Sunfish I've finished second in couple of regattas to Derek Fries. I don't think I ever beat him in a single race but I was right on his tail, within a boat length or to, or ahead of him on occasion. I can't tell you how much you can learn, and fun you can have, by observing competent sailors around you. At every level in the fleet there's somebody who you can learn from.

?

So you might, and others on this list who aren't currently racing, enjoy getting out on the water more, sharpening your seamanship skills, meeting lots of nice folks, regardless of how you finish. But there's an old saying in yacht racing, "There is no substitute for time in the water." No matter where you start in the pecking order you will improve and if that is your goal, you will have a great time.

?

Best regards,

?

Mark Kastel

Sunfish 7500

La Crosse Sailing Club

La Crosse, Wisconsin

?

?

?

?

Thanks Mark,

I really have no intention of becoming a racer.? The curve is too steep and I am tooo dang old.? I live in North Carolina and am on the water 2-3 days a week from May to November and now have a dry suit for the winter days that I get out there.? This regatta is a race around Harkers Island and should create an opportunity to meet other local sailors.? For me it will just be a fun event.? My goal is simply to finish. I surely know I do not have the skills to be competitive. ?The devices I installed are just things to make sailing simpler and easy for me.? I guess it is the engineer in my background.?

?

Attached is my latest fabrication.? I can get my boats out of the water and move them around in the yard to work on with ease.? I have about $20 in mine.? Store bought dollies go for a lot more.? I am also phasing out of old motorcycles.? Restored and rebuilt a few old BSA’sand rode them most of my life.? I am down from 5 bikes to 1 and up from 1 sailboat to 3…..so you can see how things are going for me..? Sailing is a refreshing change that keeps me busy in retirement.? I am still amazed how this little boat is so good in so many ways with few shortcomings

?

Mr Mike

?

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

?

Hi Mike,

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When I first got my boat there weren't any cleats that were legal, only that hook in the photo under your cleat. As we tacked we needed to switch the orientation of the line. Speaking of the line, we could only buy a main sheet from Alcort. It was three braid cotton or manila. And it would shrink and be too short to let the boom out all the way. The sailors had a little bit of a riot and we were allowed to use Dacron. They would still be too short and it would take a few years until they made the length unregulated.

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I had a center cleat like you have, when it became legal, that was manufactured by Mariner, which was a prestigious brand of yacht fittings at the time. It worked pretty well. You can use your cleat while you are racing but I don't think the gizmo on your tiller is legal.

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Glad you are making the leap into racing. I don't know where you are located but I'm sure if you ask for a little support people will be happy to help get you up to speed. The class sells a book called "the Sunfish Bible." Reading that carefully will hasten your learning curve.

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Happy days,

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Mark

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PS: Below is a shot of my current boat, a really pretty 1984 that I started racing again three years ago after a 45 year hiatus in the class. It looks exactly like my second Sunfish which was probably circa 1971. I wonder if I stayed ahead of Bob Finley and Dan Norton at the finish of this race???

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Thanks Mark,

I forgot to mention a couple of other improvements I made.? A tiller tension/lock device.? Often I have to paddle up my canal and this tiller lock allows me to lock the tiller at a little angle and I only have to paddle from one side.? It also frees up my tiller hand when I have to relieve myself or get a cold drink.? I used a cam cleat for the main sheet in place of a ratchet block,? It works great.? When replacing the rudder mechanism, I ?had to put in a access port which permitted? me a look at the inside.? One of the foam blocks was loose. A small stick wedged? between the blocks fixed that.

While ?I like my Force 5, I think the little Sunfish is more versatile, a bit more forgiving, and not such a handful I brisk winds.? I will enter my first Sunfish regatta this summer…..a whole new experience for this novice sailor.

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Regards,

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Mr Mike

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Sent from for Windows 10

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Hi Mike,

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I don't think anyone responded to you, at least I didn't see it, so I'm going to chime in (the world has been a bit distracted).

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I think I got my first Sunfish in 1964, the year your boat was built, when I was 10 years old. These are pretty grim days and reading your report really made me smile. I'm glad you're having so much fun having discovered sailing and that you are enjoying the experience with your Sunfish! Thanks for sharing that with us.

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I'm glad you've upgraded your rudder. I can vividly remember being on a screaming plane and having the rudder pop up and go out of control. The antidote was to crack down as hard as possible on the wingnut. Of course if you forgot to loosen it and you ran up on the beach it lifted up the brass plate on the deck and then you had a repair to do ….. Sometimes just a bunch of toothpicks jammed into the whole was enough to get the screws to bite and you are off on your next adventure.

?

I wish we all would stipulate to not worrying about what our bottoms looked like anymore, as serious racers, so we could just run our boats up on the beach. That was a lot of fun and in roaring Lake Michigan northeaster. Without a breakwater, pretty much surfing onto the beach was the only safe way to get there if you didn't want to capsize in the surf and bend your upper spar.

?

Please be safe. Every social interaction entails some degree of risk.

?

Best regards,

?

Mark

?

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Mark A. Kastel

Kastel@...

608-625-2042

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael King
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

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I am new to sailing at 77 years old.? I traded a jet ski a few years ago for a Whistler sailboat and my sailing life began.? The Whiastler is a 11 foot sloop rigged dinghy for two.? Kind of tubby and a bit slow, but a great boat for a new guy to learn to handle two sails single handed.? I was hooked the first time I put up the sail.? Two years later, i acquired a Force 5 for the price of hauling it away.? I took lots of practice and a bunch of capsizes.? The big hi aspect ratio sail was bit much for my weight and skills so I bought a junior sail.? A good choice especially when I wanted to sail and not swim and the breeze was north of 15 mph.??
Two years ago I saw an older Sunfish that had been sitting behind a shed for years.? I drove by it almost every day.? One day I walked up to the house to see if it might be for sale.? A young woman told me it was mine if i would haul it away.? It was in my backyard that afternoon.? I made a new old style rudder, repaired the CB and fixed a few odds and ends and in a few days I was sailing this 1964 Alcort Sunfish.? I live right on the water on Bogue Sound in NC so I was out there two to three days a week.? Here are my thoughts on the Sunfish:??
(1)? The latteen rigged sail makes launch, landing, docking so easy.? I cannot tell you how many times I have sailed right to my dock and dropped the sail like I knew what I was doing.? I moved the halyard cleat to the cock pit to make this maneuver easy.? The low aspect ratio sail is less risky on a gybe. and its position can be adjusted so it is easier for old timers like me to get to the other side of the boat on tacks and gybes.
(2)? The boat is plenty quick which makes tacking under bridges and narrow channels against the current very doable.? My Whistler doesn't make it half the time.? And downwnd it is a lot safer than the Force 5 which has a propensity to death roll.? I know some of you athletic seasoned sailors could gybe on downwind runs in a F5, but it takes perfect balancing and precise moves to do it in stronger winds.? I came home in a 25 mph? 4 mile run, in my Sunfish? and stayed out of the water.? It was a real thriller on plane the whole way.
(3)? The sunfish is a breeze to right.? The Force 5 with its tall water filled mast is not so easy.
(4)? The lip on the gunwales make a hiking strap unnecessary and the pivoting wooden tiller extension is adequate for everything but all out racing.

Overall it is easy to see why the lowly Sunfish is the most popular and often raced dinghy ever made.? It does so many things well for novists and seasoned racers alike.? The designers of this little boat got it pretty much right from the get go.? My hats off to them.?
This year I converted my rudder to the newer flip up design and gave my sun scorched deck a couple coats of bright yellow marine epoxy.? This old boat deserved some TLC.? It is hard to believe this little boat is almost 70 years old and for the most part unchanged despite often changed ownership.

Mr Mike

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Mark,

Thanks for all you comments.? I surely know about competition.? I played sports all my life and ran age group competitive 5K and 10 K road ?races into my fifties.? ?I know about being competitive.? When it comes to sailing, reading books, studying wind and current,, studying the rules of the road is not enough.? ?I am a novice at best despite being on the water 2-3 days a week (in season).? I can get out and back w/o paddling, navigate our winding waterways, figure tide and current ?effect, get under a bridge against the current and wind, handle the wake of big boats going high speed, and sail downwind over a sandbar in 8 inches of water.? A race is something altogether different.? So my first regatta will be exciting and a lot of fun. ?I will do my best to stay out of the way of the serious competitors.? There will ?likely be a lot of entrants but there will be ?some like me that will do it for the pure enjoyment of making it to the finish and enjoying a cold one after the boat is put away.? I calculated the distance ?to be around 9 miles, so I expect the race will last 2.5- 3 hours and be well spread out.? It may be longer for those that get stuck on a sand bar.? I am sure there will be many little side competitions develop after the mass start thins out.? The race has another intriguing feature….you can choose which direction you want to take around the island.? I am sure that depending on the wind direction on race day, there will be? a clearly favored direction but it will be interesting to see how things play out and if some contrarians choose to buck the crowd.? Looking forward to it.? In the meantime I will practice identifying wind shifts and performing more efficient tacks and gybes.? The summer season is almost here and the dry suit will soon be hung up’

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Have a good day!

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Cheers,

Mr Mike

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Hi Mike,

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You don't have to win or be highly competitive to have a great time attending a regatta. If you enjoy the around the island race you might want to try an additional event or two.

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I once campaigned in Olympic Star boat in the trials back in the 1980s. I typically finished in the top tier of boats at regattas. ?I knew going in that I wasn't going to win a berth in the Olympics but I was going to have a lot of fun competing and I was going to push hard on the top competitors helping them hone their skills. My home fleet in Chicago was awesome. It included Olympic medalists, Buddy Melges who had won the Star worlds and other former Olympians. I beat Buddy and the other top dogs, albeit rarely, but just sailing with top talent is really exciting and you can learn a lot. Once in a blue moon I would beat them in a full series. In Sunfish I've finished second in couple of regattas to Derek Fries. I don't think I ever beat him in a single race but I was right on his tail, within a boat length or to, or ahead of him on occasion. I can't tell you how much you can learn, and fun you can have, by observing competent sailors around you. At every level in the fleet there's somebody who you can learn from.

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So you might, and others on this list who aren't currently racing, enjoy getting out on the water more, sharpening your seamanship skills, meeting lots of nice folks, regardless of how you finish. But there's an old saying in yacht racing, "There is no substitute for time in the water." No matter where you start in the pecking order you will improve and if that is your goal, you will have a great time.

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Best regards,

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Mark Kastel

Sunfish 7500

La Crosse Sailing Club

La Crosse, Wisconsin

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Thanks Mark,

I really have no intention of becoming a racer.? The curve is too steep and I am tooo dang old.? I live in North Carolina and am on the water 2-3 days a week from May to November and now have a dry suit for the winter days that I get out there.? This regatta is a race around Harkers Island and should create an opportunity to meet other local sailors.? For me it will just be a fun event.? My goal is simply to finish. I surely know I do not have the skills to be competitive. ?The devices I installed are just things to make sailing simpler and easy for me.? I guess it is the engineer in my background.?

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Attached is my latest fabrication.? I can get my boats out of the water and move them around in the yard to work on with ease.? I have about $20 in mine.? Store bought dollies go for a lot more.? I am also phasing out of old motorcycles.? Restored and rebuilt a few old BSA’sand rode them most of my life.? I am down from 5 bikes to 1 and up from 1 sailboat to 3…..so you can see how things are going for me..? Sailing is a refreshing change that keeps me busy in retirement.? I am still amazed how this little boat is so good in so many ways with few shortcomings

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Mr Mike

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Sent from for Windows 10

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Hi Mike,

?

When I first got my boat there weren't any cleats that were legal, only that hook in the photo under your cleat. As we tacked we needed to switch the orientation of the line. Speaking of the line, we could only buy a main sheet from Alcort. It was three braid cotton or manila. And it would shrink and be too short to let the boom out all the way. The sailors had a little bit of a riot and we were allowed to use Dacron. They would still be too short and it would take a few years until they made the length unregulated.

?

I had a center cleat like you have, when it became legal, that was manufactured by Mariner, which was a prestigious brand of yacht fittings at the time. It worked pretty well. You can use your cleat while you are racing but I don't think the gizmo on your tiller is legal.

?

Glad you are making the leap into racing. I don't know where you are located but I'm sure if you ask for a little support people will be happy to help get you up to speed. The class sells a book called "the Sunfish Bible." Reading that carefully will hasten your learning curve.

?

Happy days,

?

Mark

?

PS: Below is a shot of my current boat, a really pretty 1984 that I started racing again three years ago after a 45 year hiatus in the class. It looks exactly like my second Sunfish which was probably circa 1971. I wonder if I stayed ahead of Bob Finley and Dan Norton at the finish of this race???

?

?

?

?

Thanks Mark,

I forgot to mention a couple of other improvements I made.? A tiller tension/lock device.? Often I have to paddle up my canal and this tiller lock allows me to lock the tiller at a little angle and I only have to paddle from one side.? It also frees up my tiller hand when I have to relieve myself or get a cold drink.? I used a cam cleat for the main sheet in place of a ratchet block,? It works great.? When replacing the rudder mechanism, I ?had to put in a access port which permitted? me a look at the inside.? One of the foam blocks was loose. A small stick wedged? between the blocks fixed that.

While ?I like my Force 5, I think the little Sunfish is more versatile, a bit more forgiving, and not such a handful I brisk winds.? I will enter my first Sunfish regatta this summer…..a whole new experience for this novice sailor.

?

Regards,

?

Mr Mike

?

Sent from for Windows 10

?

?

Hi Mike,

?

I don't think anyone responded to you, at least I didn't see it, so I'm going to chime in (the world has been a bit distracted).

?

I think I got my first Sunfish in 1964, the year your boat was built, when I was 10 years old. These are pretty grim days and reading your report really made me smile. I'm glad you're having so much fun having discovered sailing and that you are enjoying the experience with your Sunfish! Thanks for sharing that with us.

?

I'm glad you've upgraded your rudder. I can vividly remember being on a screaming plane and having the rudder pop up and go out of control. The antidote was to crack down as hard as possible on the wingnut. Of course if you forgot to loosen it and you ran up on the beach it lifted up the brass plate on the deck and then you had a repair to do ….. Sometimes just a bunch of toothpicks jammed into the whole was enough to get the screws to bite and you are off on your next adventure.

?

I wish we all would stipulate to not worrying about what our bottoms looked like anymore, as serious racers, so we could just run our boats up on the beach. That was a lot of fun and in roaring Lake Michigan northeaster. Without a breakwater, pretty much surfing onto the beach was the only safe way to get there if you didn't want to capsize in the surf and bend your upper spar.

?

Please be safe. Every social interaction entails some degree of risk.

?

Best regards,

?

Mark

?

?

Mark A. Kastel

Kastel@...

608-625-2042

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael King
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

?

I am new to sailing at 77 years old.? I traded a jet ski a few years ago for a Whistler sailboat and my sailing life began.? The Whiastler is a 11 foot sloop rigged dinghy for two.? Kind of tubby and a bit slow, but a great boat for a new guy to learn to handle two sails single handed.? I was hooked the first time I put up the sail.? Two years later, i acquired a Force 5 for the price of hauling it away.? I took lots of practice and a bunch of capsizes.? The big hi aspect ratio sail was bit much for my weight and skills so I bought a junior sail.? A good choice especially when I wanted to sail and not swim and the breeze was north of 15 mph.??
Two years ago I saw an older Sunfish that had been sitting behind a shed for years.? I drove by it almost every day.? One day I walked up to the house to see if it might be for sale.? A young woman told me it was mine if i would haul it away.? It was in my backyard that afternoon.? I made a new old style rudder, repaired the CB and fixed a few odds and ends and in a few days I was sailing this 1964 Alcort Sunfish.? I live right on the water on Bogue Sound in NC so I was out there two to three days a week.? Here are my thoughts on the Sunfish:??
(1)? The latteen rigged sail makes launch, landing, docking so easy.? I cannot tell you how many times I have sailed right to my dock and dropped the sail like I knew what I was doing.? I moved the halyard cleat to the cock pit to make this maneuver easy.? The low aspect ratio sail is less risky on a gybe. and its position can be adjusted so it is easier for old timers like me to get to the other side of the boat on tacks and gybes.
(2)? The boat is plenty quick which makes tacking under bridges and narrow channels against the current very doable.? My Whistler doesn't make it half the time.? And downwnd it is a lot safer than the Force 5 which has a propensity to death roll.? I know some of you athletic seasoned sailors could gybe on downwind runs in a F5, but it takes perfect balancing and precise moves to do it in stronger winds.? I came home in a 25 mph? 4 mile run, in my Sunfish? and stayed out of the water.? It was a real thriller on plane the whole way.
(3)? The sunfish is a breeze to right.? The Force 5 with its tall water filled mast is not so easy.
(4)? The lip on the gunwales make a hiking strap unnecessary and the pivoting wooden tiller extension is adequate for everything but all out racing.

Overall it is easy to see why the lowly Sunfish is the most popular and often raced dinghy ever made.? It does so many things well for novists and seasoned racers alike.? The designers of this little boat got it pretty much right from the get go.? My hats off to them.?
This year I converted my rudder to the newer flip up design and gave my sun scorched deck a couple coats of bright yellow marine epoxy.? This old boat deserved some TLC.? It is hard to believe this little boat is almost 70 years old and for the most part unchanged despite often changed ownership.

Mr Mike

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Michael,
Your main sheet cam cleat looks just like the one I removed from my West Wight Potter 15 when I converted it to aft sheeting.? I just acquired a Starfish which only has a nylon horn cleat for the main sheet in the vertical lip of the cockpit.? I wanted to install the aforementioned cam cleat, so was happy to see you've done this.? I don't think the underside of the deck is readily accessible on mine to easily put on a backup plate.? Is yours?? How did you prepare the hull for that installation?? Any pictures would be appreciated.
Lane

On May 5, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Michael King <mrmike17@...> wrote:

Lane,

The backside of my cam cleat is not inside the hull.? Mine is an early sunfish and the deck overhangs several inches.? I just cut a backing plate out of a piece of treated deck board and thru bolted it.? Solid as a rock! I have also installed a horned cleat along side the cam cleat (not pictured, a later improvement) so I can drop my sail from the cockpit w/o having ?to scoot up to the mast cleat.? Also is the pic of the tiller lock which can be adjusted from locked to easy sliding.? I keep enough tension on it so the tiller will stay put in any position.? It allows me to turn it loose momentarily when tacking so I don’t have to switch hands behind my back.? I am an older guy with less agility, athleticism, and flexibility than I once had, so these little things make sailing? a bit easier.

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I have also made little carpet covered rails with a small winch ?and roller to make launch and retrieve from my dock.? I’ll post some pics.? Making rigging, launch and retrival easy.? Gets me get out there more often.? No more than 10 minutes to rig and launch.? Of course having a backyard dock is a great advantage.? Many days I will decide to go at 3:00 and be back and derigged by 5:30.

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Mr Mike

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Sent from??for Windows 10

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From:?Lane
Sent:?Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:35 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [SunfishSailor] Comments on an old Sunfish

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Michael,
Your main sheet cam cleat looks just like the one I removed from my West Wight Potter 15 when I converted it to aft sheeting.? I just acquired a Starfish which only has a nylon horn cleat for the main sheet in the vertical lip of the cockpit.? I wanted to install the aforementioned cam cleat, so was happy to see you've done this.? I don't think the underside of the deck is readily accessible on mine to easily put on a backup plate.? Is yours?? How did you prepare the hull for that installation?? Any pictures would be appreciated.
Lane?

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Michael, about the horned cleat near the cockpit to drop the sail. ?What are you using as a turning block? ?A pix would be great, thanks, Mike 76274.

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