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PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?


habeggernd
 

As a newbie to the list, allow me to introduce myself along with a
relatively simple question.

I'm a rookie Sunfish owner living in Houston, TX. I recently acquired
two 1980s vintage fish in excellent condition. As a father of four
and an avid Sunfish sailor in my youth (ages 12-19) I am ecstatic. I
have one racing sail and one stock sail, and the boats are both
rigged for racing as near as I can tell (wire traveller with a center
loop, mainssheet cam cleats center deck, racing flag interpretation
decal, etc.).

The boats are trailered in a "bunk bed" configuration: the bottom
boat rests hull down on a conventional boat trailer setup equipped
with one roller and a set of pulpits aft, while the upper boat is
flipped over and rides on its deck on foam pipe insulation as a
buffer.

My dilemma: there is no space engineered on the trailer to carry the
sails and masts comfortably. The previous owner wrapped the two
lateen rigs and their masts in a canvas boat cover and lashed the
whole miserable lump to one side of the trailer. While this is
functional to a point, it requires unwrapping EVERYTHING just to get
to one set of sails. It is also cumbersome and time consuming,
especially with my limited repertoire of knots {grin}.

I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper
corners of the trailer rack (underneath the tubes the top boat rests
on) - one pipe for each sail/mast combination. In my mind, a threaded
cap on the aft end will make stowing and retrieval much less of a
frustration. My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail
against PVC during stowing and retrieval will cause some trouble I
don't want down the road. (For the record, I currently wrap the
mainsail around the boom, secure it with the sheet line, leaving the
mast free.) Any input on this particular idea would be greatly
appreciated.

ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats
topside down?

Fair winds,

Nolan Habegger
Houston, TX


Wayne Carney
 

Hello Nolan,

Welcome. . . .

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Subject: [sunfish_sailor] PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?
I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper
corners of the trailer rack (underneath the tubes the top boat rests
on) - one pipe for each sail/mast combination. In my mind, a threaded
cap on the aft end will make stowing and retrieval much less of a
frustration.
My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail against PVC . . .
In my experience the PVC pipe idea works great. I transported a Hobie Cat
mast and sails in a 12" pipe for several years. The sail was in a bag, but
the sail bag was stuffed into the tube along with the mast and traveled just
fine. The worst consequence I can think of is that the aluminum spars may
rub some black marks onto the sail.

If you are worried about hardware snagging the sail you might consider
placing the spars and mast into a bag first. I made a bag for my Sunfish
mast/spars out of inexpensive (un-coated) ripstop by sewing a basic bag and
then running a stitch up the middle. The sail wrapped spars go in one pocket
and the mast in the other. The bag makes it easier to carry the mast and
spars down to the water's edge also.

Remember to put a small vent hole in the bottom of your pipe or cap. If you
are like me you will get a line wet just before you pack up. The
condensation inside the tube will promote mildew on your sail and lines.
You'll need the world's largest bottle brush to clean the tubes if you get
mold growing in there. You might consider a screw cap at both ends. I
recommend tethering your screw-on caps to the tube too.

It just struck me that you will also have the world's largest double
barreled potato cannon [ maybe that would be a watermelon cannon ]. Anyway,
you would sure have a tool for clearing out the PWC's before you launch.
8^)


ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats topside
down?

Actually, the racing crowd recommends transporting this way. The bottom of
the boat is subject to fatigue. When the bottom goes "soft" the boat is not
considered competitive any longer for world class competition. As for the
rest of us. . . . it has been my observation that most small boat trailers
are designed for motor boats. They use rollers and/or pedestals to support
the hull. The problem with this arrangement is that the hull of a motorboat
is considerably thicker than that of small sailboats. These supports focus
the force of road bumps on small areas of the hull causing fatigue spots,
dimples and possibly breakage. To get the maximum life out of your hull for
racing OR recreation the inverted method is by far the superior choice.

Another hull friendly method is the full-length bunk method. I use this
arrangement because I often sail solo and it can be easily loaded single
handed. My layout consists of carpeted and padded 2" X 4" bunks that cover a
sizeable portion of the hull supporting the bulk of the weight at the chine.
I have two more center bunks that just provide minimal support at the
center - they are about 2" apart and run nearly the length of the hull. The
center bunks also act as support at the bow creating a three point system.

I have heard of another system where the boat is suspended in a couple of
slings or a hammock arrangement. I have not seen nor have I heard how
successful this method is.

I will post photos of my bunk arrangement if anyone is interested.

You can find some examples of other trailering arrangements and ideas at the
following web site:




In case you haven't found it yet, there is a class association for Sunfish.
The web site is full of good information on all sorts of stuff. Here's the
address just in case you are interested:




Also, here's the address of the East Coast Sunfish group email "list
server". Some of the world's best Sunfish sailors are members of this email
list. They don't limit their advice to just racing though, so you can get
some good answers to your questions here as well.




Lastly, are you aware that there is a Sunfish group in Texas? Murphy's Law
says it's gonna be across the state from where ever you are, but here's
their web address as well.



Good Sailing,

Wayne Carney
CO


Malcolm Dickinson
 

From: "habeggernd" <habeggernd@...>
Subject: PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?

I recently acquired
two 1980s vintage fish in excellent condition.
Do they have the metal rub rail around the gunwale, or a molded fiberglass
lip? If they have the lip, and they are actually from the period 1988-1992,
then you may have trouble with them. If they've got the metal rub rail,
then they should be good boats!

I have one racing sail and one stock sail
If the racing sail dates from that same period, then it's not the same
"racing sail" that's being sold today. You may want to hunt around on the
Sunfish listserve for a used (1 or 2 seasons) racing sail or two.

the boats are both
rigged for racing as near as I can tell (wire traveller with a center
loop
You'll want to get rid of those old wire travellers and replace them with
the new one - which has no center loop.

the bottom
boat rests hull down on a conventional boat trailer setup equipped
with one roller and a set of pulpits aft, while the upper boat is
flipped over and rides on its deck on foam pipe insulation as a
buffer.
The configuration is fine. Unless you want to build a steel frame to hold
the upper boat (which would be better in the long run, but time consuming),
this should work well.

However, the foam pipe insulation sounds like trouble to me. You'll want to
construct a pair of wooden "spacers" to fit between the boat. The front one
should have a protuberance will fit into the mast step holes of both boats.
The back one should rest on the broad flat deck area just aft of the
cockpit.

Make both of them out of plywood with a 2x4 spacer in between. Scribe the
plywood to the shape of the deck. Cover in carpeting. Extend the 2x4 out to
the side so that you can tie the spars onto the spacers!

My dilemma: there is no space engineered on the trailer to carry the
sails and masts comfortably. The previous owner wrapped the two
lateen rigs and their masts in a canvas boat cover and lashed the
whole miserable lump to one side of the trailer.
This is a bad system because it destroys the sail.

I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper
corners of the trailer rack (underneath the tubes the top boat rests
on) - one pipe for each sail/mast combination.
Yes, this is a great idea. Have a look at how Bruce Cattanach did it. He
was kind enough to make a very detailed web site illustrating his trailer
project.


In my mind, a threaded cap on the aft end
No, you want something that is nice and open so that as much wind as
possible will get in the back. A closed tube is a recipe for mildew.

On my tube I made a "gate" or "grate" by cutting up a piece of scrap wire
shelving (the "Closet Maid" shelving sold by the foot at Home Depot.) I
drilled two 1/2" holes in the pipe at the back and cut the wire mesh just a
bit too big. It slides into one hole, then into the other, and stays
securely. I need to take a picture and post it on the web...

On my trailer I use an 8" tube which holds (believe it or not) 2 spars with
sails, 2 masts, and once when necessary, a third set of bare spars!!

My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail
against PVC during stowing and retrieval will cause some trouble I
don't want down the road.
I have always used a sailbag inside my tube. However I know Laser sailors
who store their sails in PVC tubes (which remain permanently strapped to the
roof rack of their SUV, since their tubes are so much shorter than ours) and
they don't have any problem. Then again, they don't have metal spars
bumping around in there.

(For the record, I currently wrap the
mainsail around the boom, secure it with the sheet line, leaving the
mast free.)
Actually, you do NOT want to wrap the sail around the boom. When you're
done sailing, leave the mast in the gooseneck and lay the sail out on the
port side of the boat. Place the two spars right up against each other.
Then genty roll the sail towards the spars. You want the window to end up on
the inside of the roll, so that it cannot be contacted by the spars during
storage.

ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats
topside down?
No. Though I am worried that the support between your two boats isn't
sufficient. The one problem I heard about with trailering boats in this
"clamshell" style was a family who made their spacers out of foam. The foam
kind of collapsed and one boat started to work its way off to the side.
That's why I recommend wood covered in carpet.

Good luck,

Malcolm Dickinson
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