I purchased this boat a few years ago and discovered it is a Flying Fish produced by the California Kit Boat Co., of Newport Beach, CA.? Attached is a photo for when I purchased, the logos discovered while sanding, an ad from California Kit Boats, and a feature in Jul 52 Motor Boating.
Does anyone have any information about this boat?
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I purchased this boat a few years ago.? While sanding I discovered logos identifying it as a Flying FIish by the California Kit Boat Co.? Attached is a photo of the boat as purchased, logos discovered sanding, an ad from the company and a feature from Motor Boating magazine.
Does anyone have any more information on this boat?
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Looks like a reasonable price to me, but I’ve already got one. ?You might also post at?
Good luck!
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please forgive if this is a duplicate post, i am having internet issues
i am selling my AMF minifish and would appreciate if you could share with anyone who might be looking? also, please advise if my asking price is too high ... i am open to offers?
the boat is listing at the following link and has photos. any questions, i can send additional photos
thanks everyone for your help
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just in case anyone is interested, or knows someone who might be interested, please see my Minifish for sale. i will take offers or suggestions if someone thinks this is to much $ to ask. thanks!
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1950s Alcort Standard Sailfish for Sale Pittsboro NC $375
Howdy folks, Todd in Pittsboro, NC has a sweet 1950s Alcort Standard Sailfish for sale. She is 11'7" and sports a 65 sf sail. She has beautiful wooden spar and one of the coolest sails you'll ever see, and needs primer, paint and a Float Test. Pick her up today and become members of our Standard Sailfish Yacht Club. $375 USD. Post a comment below or message us if interested and we'll get you to Todd.
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Old Style Rudder Troubleshooting
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Re: Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
I am sorry for your experience in buying a new sunfish. ? The dealer should be able to help you if they have any decent customer service. ?The dealer that I use, The Dinghy Shop, commissions every boat when delivered locally so that it is basically sail ready. ?
As far as the out haul cleat. ?(The one further aft on the boom). There should be a relatively long Non-stretch skinny line that will go to the clew... ? you can attach it to the sail or run the line from the cleat, to the aft boom end cap, thread it through to the clew and back to ?the end cap to make a 3-1 purchase. ?(Hopefully they supplied you with a long enough line). ? If you supply me a cell. Umber I can text you a picture. ??
The reason why the cleat is there is that the out haul can be controlled from the cockpit. ?For racing usually you approach a Windward mark on the starboard lay line, close hauled... this puts the cleat right in front of you. ?You can then pop the outhaul loose (bagging out the sail) in one quick motion before heading down wind. ? ? ?When reaching the leeward mark one just grabs the outhaul (for racers—-which is lead from the cleat, to the mast and around the mast back to the cock pit ) and tightens the outhaul- back to desired upwind setting... ? ?
I know this is abstract - but that’s why the cleat is there. ?
Hope this helps.?
Lee montes? NYS Sunfish Class Representative?
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On Jul 22, 2019, at 9:41 PM, lewis.kent@... [sunfish_sailor] < sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:
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So where do you plan to be sitting when you want to adjust the outhaul?
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Re: Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
Both outhaul and Cunningham should end with a loop (bowline), or daisy chain, for easy handling. Typically, these hang within arm's length of the sailor, who is sitting up front, near the daggerboard under most circumstances.
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So where do you plan to be sitting when you want to adjust the outhaul?
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Re: Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
So where do you plan to be sitting when you want to adjust the outhaul?
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Re: Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
Yes I got a white "race" sail. It came with a bag of plastic rings which are nearly impossible to put on. The first quote was $4220 for the 2019 race boat and? race sail. The? bill of sale was $ 4505 for these things. The buying experience was not what I would wish on anyone. This also included a downgrade of a wood rudder and centerboard (and I expected tiller in wood to go with a wood rudder). Some how my "big" ($285) "discount" was added back in.
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Re: Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
Yes. Thanks. I have that link also and I still don't see how having the cleat that far forward ( over 8 feet? from the clew) especially considering the sort of sticky/waxy line that is supposed to be used for the outhaul (according to what I was sent)? will even be able to alter easily change the outhaul setting.
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Re: Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
Hi, congrats on your new boat!?
Haven't had many reports of new boats here, but someone will have an idea or two.
As far as we know the sail numbers come from the International Sunfish Class Association, provided to you when you join. They have no relation to the Hull ID Number on the boat.
The rigging instructions I am looking at say you Race Sunfish should have sail ties, not rings. Maybe they put in the wrong kit. Did you get a white race sail?
1. From the delivery kit locate the sail, upper and lower
boom, S-hook, and sail ties. Remove the cunningham
and outhaul line from the line bag. The white race sail
is attached to the booms with sail ties as opposed to sail
rings. There should be 4 sail ties that are longer than the
remaining 32 ties. These longer ties are the corner sail
ties.?
The S hook is stiff, we use ChannelLock pliers to crimp ours, we can adjust the handles to get the best angle on the pliers.
The Sunfish Race has corner ties that secure the TACK grommet of the sail to the gaff AND boom in addition to the S Hook.
The outhaul ties to the boom cap with a bowline, goes though the clew, back through the boom cap and up to the cleat, which is close to the cockpit so it can be adjusted while racing.
The other jam cleat forward is for the cunningham.
Manual on? the LP website:?
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Re: Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
The outhaul and Cunningham cleats are positioned forward on the boom so you can easily reach them while sailing.
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 4:28 PM, goingforasail@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:
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Has anyone had difficulty rigging their boat with the lines, hardware and parts provided?
I just got a new "race" version that arrived this weekend and I discovered (in addition to the fact that I expected it to have numbers on the sail and a wooden tiller along with a wooden rudder and centerboard that it did actually come with, that I asked especially for) that the plastic rings all but refuse to go around the spars to keep the sail in place.
The "S" hook that is supposed to keep the tack corner of the sail in place between the boom and the upper spar refuses to be "crimped". There is no cleat on the boom at the clew end of the sail to keep the outhaul in place after adjusting it and instead the instructions seem to suggest making the outhaul setting more permanent by wrapping the skinny waxy pink line they sent to use marked "out haul" around the boom and tie a clove hitch on the boom. Is that right??
Why are the cleats on the boom so far forward? Is the outhaul supposed to be able to be adjusted there? My cleats run 8'4" forward. It sits right above the forward pulley for the mainsheet. There is another cam cleat facing the other direction 18 inches farther forward.
Are there any tricks to getting it rigged? It seems like the instructions which they sent with the boat that are on the LaserPerformance.com website were written in the 70s and the rigging has been modified since then.
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Issues and questions rigging a new boat - hardware placement on boom, attaching sail
Has anyone had difficulty rigging their boat with the lines, hardware and parts provided?
I just got a new "race" version that arrived this weekend and I discovered (in addition to the fact that I expected it to have numbers on the sail and a wooden tiller along with a wooden rudder and centerboard that it did actually come with, that I asked especially for) that the plastic rings all but refuse to go around the spars to keep the sail in place.
The "S" hook that is supposed to keep the tack corner of the sail in place between the boom and the upper spar refuses to be "crimped". There is no cleat on the boom at the clew end of the sail to keep the outhaul in place after adjusting it and instead the instructions seem to suggest making the outhaul setting more permanent by wrapping the skinny waxy pink line they sent to use marked "out haul" around the boom and tie a clove hitch on the boom. Is that right??
Why are the cleats on the boom so far forward? Is the outhaul supposed to be able to be adjusted there? My cleats run 8'4" forward. It sits right above the forward pulley for the mainsheet. There is another cam cleat facing the other direction 18 inches farther forward.
Are there any tricks to getting it rigged? It seems like the instructions which they sent with the boat that are on the LaserPerformance.com website were written in the 70s and the rigging has been modified since then.
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Re: Adapting the "Race" sail rig for two people
I set my spar high up (72”)so it is easier to see what’s on the other side of the sail.? Haven’t got a window on my sail.? I set the gooseneck at 22”, and don’t change things for high or low winds.? ON the coast of NC we have a pretty stiff breeze all
the time in late afternoon.? A typical day is 8-10 mph at noon and 15-20 by late afternoon.? You have to work pretty hard at 15-20 mph.? 8-10 mph is a nice easy day
Mr Mike
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The spars and sail are the same. We set our rig high, and it works great in light winds, and even heavy winds with the right Skipper on the tiller.
Set the gooseneck about 22 inches back from the end of the metal part of the spar.?
Tie the halyard about 60 inches from the top of the gaff.
See pictures on our blog:?
Cheers
Kent
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Re: Adapting the "Race" sail rig for two people
?Just tie the halyard attachment lower down on the spar so it raises the sail height. I have an old sunfish and it just ties on with a secured clove hitch and figure 8 knot (so it does not slip. )
The higher position of sail height is also for light wind sailing.? The lower position is for higher winds. Look up a Jens rig with the halyard to see some advanced info. Jens rig is used in racing to change sail height while underway.? Hope this helps
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Hi,
I ordered a "race rig" Sunfish in case I ever want to race it (plus I like the "window" in the sail) but for now plan to sail it for fun taking another tall adult with me.? Will I be able to easily modify the placement of the sail on the mast to make the boom high enough so that two of us - especially the person sitting farthest forward - won't need to duck their heads during every tack?
[I would think the answer would be "yes" as it would be a pretty stupid design flaw not to provide as many rigging options as possible but I just wanted to make sure and get confirmation from anyone who owns or has sailed on a "race version" Sunfish.]
I've seen the regular Sunfish with the colored sail set in such a way that it allows for headroom for two adults. However all the pictures of Sunfish with white sails seem to have them all rigged the same way for racing with the forward spars only a few inches above the deck. I hope I'm not going to be limited that way. Will I be? Are there any websites or diagrams showing different rigging options/ ways the "race" sail can go on the mast, showing the race sail raised high enough so it results in a more headroom beneath the boom?
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Re: Adapting the "Race" sail rig for two people
Go to Sunfishclass(dot)ORG. At the top click on "Get Faster." There is a wealth of information there.? Also, check out Kent's various resources. He and "Skipper" have posted a wealth of information about the Sunfish and other Alcort boats. They wrote the "Sunfish Owners Manual" a book that I highly recommend.? With the internets is simply a matter of knowing which question to ask.? Tom?
On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 4:07:47 PM EDT, goingforasail@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:
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Thanks Kent. That seems doable.
It looks like if at the same time I wanted to get rid of any weather helm on a windy day, I could just set the whole sail more forward-- so more of it was farther forward of the goose neck.?
I wonder if there are guidelines for what is "too much" in any particular direction.
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Re: Adapting the "Race" sail rig for two people
Thanks Kent. That seems doable.
It looks like if at the same time I wanted to get rid of any weather helm on a windy day, I could just set the whole sail more forward-- so more of it was farther forward of the goose neck.?
I wonder if there are guidelines for what is "too much" in any particular direction.
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On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 2:04:48 PM EDT, sartori1d@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:
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I love that black sail with the skull and crossbones, any idea where to get one?
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Bill Miranda
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