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Re: Title and Permit Fees
Sharon Conley
Hi again,
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In Calif, the boat has to be registered if it is over 8'. Plus there are use fees with a sticker every two years. Oh then many of the lakes in the more populated areas have launch or day use fees. Ed Wayne Carney <wcarney@...> wrote:Oooooo..., double youch Here in Colorado there's a nominal ($5 I think) fee to title the boat, a $15 DMV fee to title a trailer. We pay an annual $18.50 state boat permit fee and $15 annual trailer license plate fee. I guess if the $200 is a one time fee and there's no permit fee for a boat under 14' then you make out in the long run. States are odd about how they tax us to death, aren't they? Wayne -----Original Message----- Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Title and Permit Fees
Our trailer registration for NY is about $10. In fact, I don't think they
even make a profit, by the time they process it and issue the license plate. So far the boat is free to have. The state doesn't even know it exists. I hope it stays that way... Another interesting thing is when I bought my trailer, I asked my insurance company about insuring it. The annual premium would have been so high it would cost more than the trailer itself! Fortunately I don't HAVE to insure it. By the way, Wayne, thanks for your suggestions (and other people's, too) on transporting the spars and sail on the boat. I went the PVC route. Now that the snow has melted, I'll take some pictures and make them available soon. Charles Long Island On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Wayne Carney wrote: Oooooo..., double youch-- |
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Title and Permit Fees
Wayne Carney
Oooooo..., double youch
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Here in Colorado there's a nominal ($5 I think) fee to title the boat, a $15 DMV fee to title a trailer. We pay an annual $18.50 state boat permit fee and $15 annual trailer license plate fee. I guess if the $200 is a one time fee and there's no permit fee for a boat under 14' then you make out in the long run. States are odd about how they tax us to death, aren't they? Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Locating Hull ID
Wayne Carney
Hi Ed,
I have been pondering your situation and I can't seem to find anything in the Sunfish literature that tells me what boat you have. The GC14 tag is a new one to me. You say: The coaming is formed as part of the deck surface andIf I'm not mistaken the Sunfish coaming has always been a separate piece - screwed or riveted onto the deck, the latest gudgeon design is made out of stainless steel and the older design was essentially two piece brass. Sunfish original equipment sails sport the Sunfish silhouette logo and the boat may have various Sunfish name decals on the hull. There are thousands of Sunfish look-alikes and I have a feeling your boat falls into this category. None the less, there are some standards that apply so long as the boat was built after Nov. 1, 1972. According to the USCG, Hull Identification Numbers became a federal requirement on Nov. 1, '72. They are required to be placed on the starboard side of the transom within 2" of the top edge. If no number exists then your boat may have been built prior to that time. Another possibility is that the HIN was on a plate and that has come off, but the USCG regulation states that HIN plates need to be attached in a manner where removal would leave an obvious trace. OK, so much for forensics...... Would it be possible for you to post a couple of photos into the group PHOTOS section? Maybe someone in the group has experience with this model boat and will recognize it. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Greetings
Youch. In NY I don't have to register my Sunfish because it's less than
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14' and doesn't have a motor. But I heard they might change that. Charles On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Sharon Conley wrote:
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Re: Greetings
Sharon Conley
Hi Howard,
I had seen the FAQ at the Sunfish web site, but I have not been able to locate any numbers anywhere on the hull. My "Fish" has the aluminum strip around the hull / deck joint and no storage anywhere. She also has no numbers on the transom nor does she have an ID tag anywhere. The coaming is formed as part of the deck surface and the Gudgeon bracket holding the rudder is a solid cast piece made of aluminum. The wood dagger board is relatively symetric, except for apparent damage, with both the leading and trailing edges along the entire below water surface fashioned to a blunt point. The lower (deep?symmetric the dagger board is best described as flat as if the finished board were sawed off at the bottom and a small 1in radius were added to eliminate the sharp edge of the leading and trailing edge. The only marking on my "Fish" is a decal found on hull on both sides and a matching larger 12" emblem on the sail. The marking is GC14 with the C offset lower than and slightly covering the G and the 14 is in smaller font just to the right of the C. Unless the above can narrow down the time a little more, from your description, I would guess I'm looking at about circa 1971 for the date of mfg. Thanks for your help. Ed Howard Bishop <bishop2398@...> wrote: Ed, go to (I'm pretty sure that's the URL). I believe they have a FAQ about identifying older 'fish. Here's the brief version, - rolled edges where deck meets hull (vs trimmed in aluminum). Rolled edges first appeared ca '87. - a little storage compartment behind the cockpit. First appeared ca 1972 - a Hull ID No on the transom. 1972? - a little badge up by the mast. Ended when the HIN appeared. - two bronze fittings for attaching the rudder vs on aluminum (stainless?) fitting. Bronze fell out of fashion ca 1970. and less reliably: - a dagger board whose deep end is described by a semi-circle. also ca 1970. Enjoy! f there's no hull id on the transom, it's older than '71 or '72. If it has a small storage compartment behind the cockpit, it's newer than 72-73. The "old style" rudder --- Ed <conley49@...> wrote: I am new to your group (obviously). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Greetings
Sharon Conley
Hi Charles... But it did cost me $200 to transfer the title at the Calif DMV.
Ed Charles Neuman <charles@...> wrote:Way to go. I'll give you $2 for it. 100% profit! :) Charles Neuman Long Island On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Ed wrote: I am new to your group (obviously). Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Greetings
Howard Bishop
Ed,
go to (I'm pretty sure that's the URL). I believe they have a FAQ about identifying older 'fish. Here's the brief version, - rolled edges where deck meets hull (vs trimmed in aluminum). Rolled edges first appeared ca '87. - a little storage compartment behind the cockpit. First appeared ca 1972 - a Hull ID No on the transom. 1972? - a little badge up by the mast. Ended when the HIN appeared. - two bronze fittings for attaching the rudder vs on aluminum (stainless?) fitting. Bronze fell out of fashion ca 1970. and less reliably: - a daggerboard whose deep end is described by a semi-circle. also ca 1970. Enjoy! f there's no hull id on the transom, it's older than '71 or '72. If it has a small storage compartment behind the cockpit, it's newer than 72-73. The "old style" rudder --- Ed <conley49@...> wrote: I am new to your group (obviously). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! |
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Way to go. I'll give you $2 for it. 100% profit! :)
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Charles Neuman Long Island On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Ed wrote:
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Greetings
Ed
I am new to your group (obviously).
I have a 1972(?) Sunfish that I bought from my neighbor for $1. I sail in the high mountian lakes of the Sierra Nevada, Lake Alpine and Spicer. Also occasionally in the lakes local to the Silicon Valley. I have not seen any other Sunfish this far north in Calif. Do you know of anyone in this area. Also I have not been able to locate anything that would ID the age of my boat. The only number I can find is on the Gudgeon bracket. Do you have any suggestions? Cheers, Ed |
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Re: just saying hello
Wayne Carney
Hello Dave,
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Welcome..... You have quite a personal fleet, eh? Sunfish are great boats. Probably the easiest boat to launch and sail single-handed. They epitomize the axiom, "the bigger the boat the less it's sailed". I live 20 minutes from the water and can be sailing in 25 min. You sail the North Sea - isn't that awfully cold water? I would guess that there are a few more Sunfish sailors in the UK. I have heard that there are more Sunfish sailing than any other boat produced. Check out the Class Association web page you may find a few clubs listed there. The dinghy Shop lists a few Sunfish for sale, maybe they can point you to other sailors? Sea you, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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just saying hello
David King
Hi all,
I joined your group today, I so thought I'd send a quick note to introduce myself. I live in Wisbech in the UK I sail the north sea and the wash. I have two sunfish that I bought two years ago to teach my betterhalf and my children how to sail. I didn't know these boats existed but I'm glad I found them as they are the mut's nuts to sail, I also have a Hurricane cat, a fireball, and a sunray 21 bilge keel yacht but I still love to take out the sunfish. I would like to know if there are any more sunfish in the UK or are they all in the US and Italy. kind regards Dave |
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Friendly Reminder
Wayne Carney
The purpose of this group is to host discussions and materials related to
sailboats and sailing. This group is un-moderated, but it IS monitored ! Posts that do not fit the purpose - especially those that are blatant non-boating advertisements or SPAM - will be removed. Members that appear to have joined the group solely for the purpose of posting material judged to be irrelevant or inappropriate will be invited to leave the group. Thank you, The Management |
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Re: Today I buy a new SuperSunfish
Wayne Carney
Hello Bulent,
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It is great that you are getting a new Sunfish. It is also wonderful that you are introducing your son to the sport of sailing. I cannot think of a better way for a father and son to spend time together. Enjoy the new boat, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Today I buy a new SuperSunfish
Hello guys,
Today I buy a new SuperSunfish. I has been in my plan for 3 years. But I wanted an waited for my son to grow up. Now he is 7 years old and this summer it is the right time to begin sail education for him. I'm feeling so great. My younger life turned back to me. My daddy was bought to me a Sunfish in early '80. I never forget those times. I love to sail in Marmara Sea. Marmara wait for me, I'm comin' back this summer. With a very young sailer on my deck. |
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Re: Digest Number 37
Malcolm Dickinson
One system I've seen involves a little crutch that slips into the mast hole
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and holds the spars up about 6" above the deck. A second wooden piece is held between the bridle straps with string or small bungee cords. You put them on the boat and then a small circle of bungee cord is used to hold the spars to the two pieces. Works fine. I've also seen the foam blocks method which you describe, and it works very well. I would recommend using a plastic tube if possible - one 5" or 6" in diameter - which will keep the sail from being crumpled when you cinch down the tiedown straps or ropes. Use either foam or wooden supports but lash a lightweight tube (available at Home Depot or at plumbing supply house) to them and then slide the sail into the tube. Malcolm -----Original Message----- |
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Re: transporting spars
Wayne Carney
Charles,
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I use an arrangement made out of 1" PVC. It looks like a pair of stubby goal posts. The front one has one fat leg (3" PVC I think) that was sanded down in diameter until it fit into the mast step snuggly. The other leg has a "T" fitting foot that is padded with a piece of foam and rests on the deck. The spars and goal post both tie down through the halyard fairlead using a 4'long 1" wide webbing strap w/cam. The rear goal post has a 90 degree foot and looks like a bookend. The foot is padded with foam pipe insulation. This sits on the deck just behind the cockpit. It ties to the boat by slipping it under the strap I use to hold the boat to the trailer. The spars are strapped to this goal post with another piece of 1" wide webbing strap w/cam. I have a canvas bag for my spars, but this would work without one as well. The whole arrangement was cheap to make and took about an hour and a half to complete. It rides very well and has survived many hundreds of road miles for over five years now. Wayne Any ideas on how to transport the spars with the boat right-side-up on a |
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transporting spars
Any ideas on how to transport the spars with the boat right-side-up on a
trailer? What I'd like to do is lie the spars on top of the boat, but I want to avoid having them lie on the coaming, or otherwise putting pressure on one part of the boat. I was thinking of having a thick foam pad with a cutout which the spars can rest in. There would be one on the front of the boat and one on the rear. This would make it so that the spars would not rest on the coaming, and their weight would be distributed on the area of the foam pad. Then I just tie them down with the boat. I don't quite know what material to use or where to get it, but if I browse Home Depot something might come to me. Has anyone tried anything like this? Any other ideas? Charles P.S. There's a fancy system you can see at |
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Re: Digest Number 35
Dan Bennett
Wayne
I don't necessarily agree with your advice. I have one of those centerboard slot dollies and it works very well for getting my fish from the van to the water. I pad the hoop that fits into the slot with a towel and I'm very careful on bumpy terrain. I think if common sense is used they can be an economical way to launch singlehanded. Dan Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:36:34 -0700 From: "Wayne Carney" Subject: RE: Dollys Hi All, Since the subject of Dollys has come up I would like to share a bit of advice. I do not recommend using any sort of dolly that has a bracket that fits up into the daggerboard slot. My experience with both a commercial design and a home-made one is that they have a very high potential for damaging the inside walls of the daggerboard trunk and causing severe leaks. Wayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now |
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Re: dolly
Malcolm Dickinson
"Wayne Carney" <wcarney@...> wrote:
Here's another interesting DollyYes, I bought a dolly from Chris once and it is really neat! (It was a smaller version of his sunfish dolly, made for an Optimist, but I modified it a bit to use for a Cape Cod Frosty, the world's shortest one-design... but that's another story. ( ) |
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