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Re: Winter storage of sunfish in garage

Gail M. Turluck
 

Yeah, if you try to put the lag bolt in vertically you could be asking for a
problem. Put that off season ratchet block to work and you won't have a
problem at all. I wouldn't bother with all the work of building a frame or
anything. If you really want to part with money, there's the Harken Hoister
system that will do what you want. (Peter loves it when I give him a plug!)
www.harken.com But, even $1 pulleys from the hardware store, strategically
placed, will do the job.

The drill the hole option with a piece of rope will do, too. I can lift
half a Sunfish with little trouble. Hoisting it is less trouble. Hope this
helps.

Hope you can heat the space. (Recommend against painting unless you
absolutely must. Better to polish the hull if it can be salvaged, even with
a couple imperfect spots. Paint scratches relatively quickly and then has
to be stripped (hard to do off fiberglass) and redone ... I've spent too
much time stripping paint off painted boats, so I know!)

Good luck!

Gail

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-----Original Message-----
From: rr optin [mailto:optin@...]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:56 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: Re: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage


How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line
(old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I
like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk.
If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6
to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap.
----- Original Message -----
From: nac20032002
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage


Apologies to all if this is an old one.
I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the
winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my
carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to
the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style
eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does
anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking
of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross
sections meet the deck.
Thanks for your help
Neil, LI NY


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Re: Project boat

Gail M. Turluck
 

It's a Super Sunfish. Parts are hard to come by.

You can put a standard rig in it if you like.

All Sunfish parts will fit it. Super Sunfish parts were all additions to a
standard Sunfish (traveler bar, high aspect ratio rig and sail, etc.).
Someone will likely chime in on how to handle the rest of the "Super" parts.
I've not seen one sailed but I have seen pictures. Try the Sunfish Class
email list for more help too.

Sincerely,

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-----Original Message-----
From: blfat2fish [mailto:blfat2fish@...]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:19 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Project boat


I recently "acquired" a sunfish which I plan on restoring over the
winter. I have been doing some searching trying to locate parts and
such, but am having a problem identifying the model of this boat.
All of the boats I encounter on the web have a mast, upper boom and
lower boom, whereas the boat I have has a two piece mast and a one
piece boom (much like a Laser).

Can someone point me in the right direction? I I would like to know
what type of sunfish this is, and some recommendations on where to
go for parts.

Thanks!


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Re: Winter storage of sunfish in garage

rr optin
 

How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap.

----- Original Message -----
From: nac20032002
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage


Apologies to all if this is an old one.
I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the
winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my
carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to
the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style
eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does
anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking
of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross
sections meet the deck.
Thanks for your help
Neil, LI NY


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Project boat

 

I recently "acquired" a sunfish which I plan on restoring over the
winter. I have been doing some searching trying to locate parts and
such, but am having a problem identifying the model of this boat.
All of the boats I encounter on the web have a mast, upper boom and
lower boom, whereas the boat I have has a two piece mast and a one
piece boom (much like a Laser).

Can someone point me in the right direction? I I would like to know
what type of sunfish this is, and some recommendations on where to
go for parts.

Thanks!


Winter storage of sunfish in garage

nac20032002
 

Apologies to all if this is an old one.
I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the
winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my
carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to
the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style
eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does
anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking
of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross
sections meet the deck.
Thanks for your help
Neil, LI NY


Re: Sunfish sails

 

Thanks Gail,
We can always count on you to chime in with the details.

John


From: "Gail M. Turluck" <turluck@...>
Reply-To: sunfish_sailor@...
To: <sunfish_sailor@...>
Subject: RE: [sunfish_sailor] Sunfish sails
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:42:15 -0500

Occasionally there is a regatta for boats with "standard" rigs, but mostly
I've seen only 1-5 boats turn out for that group. By far the majority of
regattas have everybody together in one big happy family. People getting
started kinda have to "pay their dues" as they learn to handle the boat,
learn more on rigging, learn how to adapt to conditions for their body size,
and then learn about gear and how to upgrade. Compare racing a Sunfish to
any other Class and I guarantee we are the least expensive and comparable
with ease to any other form of recreational sport that's out there!
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Re: Sunfish sails

Gail M. Turluck
 

Occasionally there is a regatta for boats with "standard" rigs, but mostly
I've seen only 1-5 boats turn out for that group. By far the majority of
regattas have everybody together in one big happy family. People getting
started kinda have to "pay their dues" as they learn to handle the boat,
learn more on rigging, learn how to adapt to conditions for their body size,
and then learn about gear and how to upgrade. Compare racing a Sunfish to
any other Class and I guarantee we are the least expensive and comparable
with ease to any other form of recreational sport that's out there!

When we instituted the racing sail it was done because the "standard" sails
were made so irregularly that something had to be done to even the field.
It used to be that the hotshots would go into their dealer when a supply of
sails came in, lay them all out, and buy the one with the best shape and
largest size. THIS WAS COMPLETELY UNFAIR!

As time passed it was discerned that certain sailmakers sails stretched to
better shapes, too, and they also became coveted. Age didn't seem to matter
as much.

In 1989 the racing sail was implemented. Yes, it caused consternation
because of the cost, but the sailmaker had spent a lot of time cutting
sails, testing them, sending out sails for further testing, and making sure
it was what the Class wanted. Now about the only difference is an old sail
is old and does lose some power; a new sail is new and provides the best
power available.

The standard sails are still made the same old way they were. They are
smaller. They will stretch to odd shapes, even panel by panel. They are
colorful. They are far less expensive.

For people of smaller stature (140 lb. and under) a standard sail might be
the way to go. You still really should spend a few extra bucks and get a
window installed. When it's going to blow over 25 steady for a whole day,
even I (no lightweight) will break out my "chicken" sail just to reduce the
power and load for the whole day (maybe once every 2-3 years ... I have
lots of sails on poles these days). But, by far, the majority of people who
are going to race at all should go with the Racing Sail. With a Jens rig
you can depower very effectively.

If you have played any other sports, you will discover an outlay of $325-350
for gear once every 3-5 years (some stretch it longer, depends on how much
they sail it) really isn't that much when spread over the time it's used.
It just all comes at once. Runners will spend WAY more than that in 3-5
years just on shoes!

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Gail
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-----Original Message-----
From: John C [mailto:jkcjohn@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:27 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Sunfish sails


I was just wondering...
A standard Sunfish sail is "class legal" to race with. So if you buy
a "race sail" with more area and better performance, do you not race
in the same class as the guys with regular sails? Is the race sail
for 'A' fleet or what?

I'm sail shopping and may race in the future, just wondering.

John


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Sunfish sails

 

I was just wondering...
A standard Sunfish sail is "class legal" to race with. So if you buy
a "race sail" with more area and better performance, do you not race
in the same class as the guys with regular sails? Is the race sail
for 'A' fleet or what?

I'm sail shopping and may race in the future, just wondering.

John


SuperSunfish&Harken Vang

 

Hi to everyallofu

As I wrote before, I was going to use Harken Vang system for Laser on
my SuperSunfish.


Today I buy one HarkenVang from for $147.


Name Change

sierra_sailor
 

Gerrtings all.

Use to be sierrasailor2003 and lost that account as I moved
permanetly to the high Sierras.

Looking forward to some off season sailing prior to snowfall.

Cheers.


Re: first sail

Cornelius Brightgarden
 

Greetings John,

You probably want to visit the sunfish class website at
for lots of information about sunfish.
Getting the Sunfish Bible is a good second thing to do, it is a
encyclopedia of everything Sunfish, new edition as of 2002, I believe.

One thing to understand is what year your boat is built because
equipment changed a couple of times over the Sunfish's lifetime.

To answer some of your questions specifically:

Brass ring (gooseneck) rising - briefly, you want to use your halyard
as a vang. Bring the halyard down through the bullet, tie off at deck
cleat as usual but continue the halyard forward over the gooseneck,
through the bullet and tie off again at the cleat - you will have two
tie-offs at the cleat. Diagrams on sunfishclass.org, look for the
tips and tricks page.

You may want to make your gooseneck more adjustable (buy a couple of
parts listed on sunfishclass page) so you are able to quickly move
the boom fore and aft depending on wind strength.

The halyard wants to be connected above the ninth sail tie on the
gaff to be in what racers consider the best position. With the
halyard tied there and with boom vang on the boom is very low to the
deck compared to pleasure sailing - makes it more tricky to get under
the boom, you should know.

Sheeting in - you have to let the sunfish sail breath more than other
boats, you can strangle or stall it very easily and remember the boat
has asymmentric performance because fo the lateen rig - you
effectively have more sail area on starboard tack, different entry
and exit angles of wind. Overall, you can't point as high as other
boats... The boom will be outside the boat even when sheeted hardest.

From info off the sunfishclass website, mast needs to be 10' 1/4" +/-
1/4" including base cap (not top cap)...

Hope this helps - have fun and ask more questions as needed(!)...

--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "John Campbell" <jkcjohn@h...>
wrote:
Hi gang!

I finally got out on the sunfish this past Saturday!
Having sailed nothing but a Hobie 18 the last several years, I must
admit
that the performance was a little of a let-down, but I think there
is room
for improvement. The PO was not much of a sailor and surely did
not have
things tuned properly.

The day started out picture perfect. There was a pretty steady
breeze and
warm air and water temperatures made for some fine sailing
conditions. My 9
year old son and I put the boat in the water at the ramp and his
first
comment was "dad, it's full of water". I quickly discovered that
the self
bailer had become a 'self swamper' without the floating ball there
to seal
off the water from filling the cockpit. We sailed awhile with the
cockpit
half full, knowing that this was certainly not ideal. There were
some
decend puffs healing us pretty well from time to time, dispite our
240 +
water ballast. There was a definite bow wave ahead of the boat
whenever we
got going good, so I feel that we never skimmed the surface
properly. My
son took the tiller for the first time and we flipped just a few
moments
later. It was actually good for him to experience a capsize since
that has
always been his biggest fear on the Hobie. I was able to right the
boat in
moments and off we went. We took a break at the swimming beach
after
sailing a few decent runs across the lake and I fashioned a screw-
in plug
out of a piece of drift wood I found by the beach. This actually
sealed
quite well and improved the performance a bit, but we still never
really
seemed to skim the surface like I think the sunfish should, and
like I
recalled doing several years ago with a high school chum. Breaking
down was
a real snap compared to a Hobie. I was loaded up and ready to roll
before I
finished my cold brewski! I liked that for sure. We plan to take
it out
again next weekend.

Comments and questions...

The brass ring on the lower spar seemed to ride up pretty high on
the mast.
I figure it to be about 4 feet off of the deck, but I didn't
measure. Where
should the mainsheet normally be connected on the upper spar to
give me the
best sail angle for recreational sailing?

In the Hobie, when a gust hits I crank down pretty hard on the
mainsheet to
flatten the sail out pretty well as speed increases and the boat
accelerates
immediately. On the sunfish, this seemed to slow the boat down.
Comments?

I found the mainsheet required more effort than I had anticipated
to sheet
in under load. My son would have a real hard time sailing this
boat alone
the way we were saling her. Am I trying to hard to flatten the
sail and
point to close to the wind?

I have a wooden dagger board. Should it be inserted with the
straightest
edge forward and the tapered edge to the stern, or the other way?

The rudder had a strong tendancy to turn to weather. I'm used to a
more
neutral helm. Is this typical?

My sail is pitifull, having several small holes in it and the
consistancy of
a bed sheet. I know that I need to replace it if I want decent
performance,
so a good recreational sail is in my future.

I have a shorter mast that I got with the boat. I haven't measured
yet, but
can anyone tell me what length of a standard Sunfish mast is? I
may be
using the wrong one.

When pointing fairly high, should the boom spar be sheeted in til
it's close
to the leeward edge of the transom, or am I sheeting in too tight?

My bridle wire is frayed badly. Should I replace it with an
original type
cable wire, or should I upgrade to the rope type with a travelling
block
like I've seen they use on later boats?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help and comments you might have.

John C
Hobie 18
Sunfish
Lou, Ky

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Re: bridle / mainsheet

 

Great advice Malcolm. Thanks.
John


From: "Malcolm Dickinson" <malcolm@...>
Reply-To: sunfish_sailor@...
To: <sunfish_sailor@...>
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: bridle / mainsheet
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:16:58 -0500

I need to replace my bridle wire on my '76. I notice that
the later style has a travelor block incorporated into it.
Should I order this type wire and a removable sheave block
for an upgrade?
John,
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Re: Telltail on Boom ?

Gail M. Turluck
 

Coathanger is the way to go. Behind the gaff air flow is definitely
disturbed ...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Shorty [mailto:shorty@...]

Was out sailing today, I have a ribbon tied to the boom about 18" aft from
the gooseneck. Using it as a telltale instead of doing the
coathanger-off-the-yard doo-hickey thing.

Sure is in a convenient place to look at, but was wondering if the airflow
over the sail is distorting it's direction -- what do you guys think?


Re: bridle / mainsheet

Malcolm Dickinson
 

I need to replace my bridle wire on my '76. I notice that
the later style has a travelor block incorporated into it.
Should I order this type wire and a removable sheave block
for an upgrade?
John,

If you are sailing recreationally only, just use a piece of line about the same length as your old bridle. There is no need for a block - just tie the end of the mainsheet around the bridle using a bowline knot.

If you think the boat may ever be raced, then buy a new wire bridle from a Sunfish dealer. You will notice that the factory no longer puts a loop in the middle of the bridle. This is because lots of experimentation found that it's faster without the loop. The absence of the loop does not appear to have any bad effect on pointing ability.

Putting a block on the wire traveler is legal, but unnecessary. Most racing sailors simply tie the end of the sheet around the bridle using a bowline knot, tied loose enough that the sheet slides freely.

has anyone ever used a block with the three loop bridle
to create a 2 to 1 purchase between the boom spar and the bridle?
I'm thinking this might make for easy sheeting for my 9 year old.
It would work - but there would be two big disadvantages. Have a look at how much mainsheet stretches between the bridle and the boom when you are on a run (about 15 feet, I think).
1. You would have to buy another mainsheet that is 15 feet longer than the one you have now. That's a lot of rope coiling up in the cockpit when you're closehauled...
2. When going from a run to closehauled, it's an extra 15 feet of line that must be sheeted in, for a total of almost 40 feet!

The better solution is to get your son a ratchet block that really grips the rope well, and a pair of deck-mounted cleats for sailing upwind in heavy air. I raced Sunfish regularly on Lake Michigan at age 9, and was dependent on a Harken ratchet block to allow me to hold the sheet for extended periods - and two ClamCleats to hold it for me upwind. Today there are ratchet blocks available (from Harken and other companies) that grip better than the large HexaRatchets of the 1970s.

EVERYONE: when you reply to a post, please don't include the entire post you are replying to. Many of us get the "digest" version of this listserve, meaning we have to scroll past dozens of forwarded-forwarded-forwarded messages (repeated again and again) and "yahoo group" advertisements to get to the next message.

The solution to this problem is for responders to do what I've done above, and include only the relevant lines from the post you are replying to. Thanks.


Re: first sail

Wayne Carney
 

Shorty,

Actually.... there is one boat that does break down faster...... my Peep
Hen.
OK, now lets see how quick you can car-top it.... 8^)


Wayne





-----Original Message-----
From: Shorty [mailto:shorty@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:38 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] RE: first sail


Actually.... there is one boat that does break down faster...... my Peep
Hen. It can because the mast is on a tabernacle, and everything stays on
the boat - just lower the mast, attach straps and drive away. But it
isn't a board boat, is a 14' cabin sailboat, so not really a
comparison to a
sunfish.

I do however believe that an umbrella is a very useful accessory, works
great as a poor man's bimini. At $3.50 from walmart, can't beat it. :)

Shorty

Breaking down was a real snap compared to a Hobie.
I think only an umbrella takes down quicker.



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Telltail on Boom ?

Shorty
 

Was out sailing today, I have a ribbon tied to the boom about 18" aft from
the gooseneck. Using it as a telltale instead of doing the
coathanger-off-the-yard doo-hickey thing.

Sure is in a convenient place to look at, but was wondering if the airflow
over the sail is distorting it's direction -- what do you guys think?

Shorty


Re: first sail

Shorty
 

Actually.... there is one boat that does break down faster...... my Peep
Hen. It can because the mast is on a tabernacle, and everything stays on
the boat - just lower the mast, attach straps and drive away. But it
isn't a board boat, is a 14' cabin sailboat, so not really a comparison to a
sunfish.

I do however believe that an umbrella is a very useful accessory, works
great as a poor man's bimini. At $3.50 from walmart, can't beat it. :)

Shorty

Breaking down was a real snap compared to a Hobie.
I think only an umbrella takes down quicker.


Daggerboard spring

mwhite60
 

I have a question about the wood daggerboard. My used Sunfish did not
have the brass spring on it. I ordered a replacement from Torresen,
and thge package arrived with 2 springs and 2 screws. My memory says
I need just one, but perhaps I wrong? Any help?

Thanks,

Matt


Re: Sunfish bridle traveler question

Dave & Joyce
 

And another thought. If the nine year old is not strong enough to hold the
sheet for extended periods, he or she may also not be strong or heavy
enough to right the boat in case of a knock-down and that'd be a rather
serious life-safety issue.

I came close to losing student once (a rather light-weight USAF airman)
because he was having serious trouble righting the boat during some
gusty winds on a COLD water lake in Northern Japan. He just wasn't
heavy enough to do the job. He'd get it up and she'd go right over again.
If we hadn't ran a trained skipper out to relieve him in one of the old
18' seahorses he might have succumbed to hypothermia.
He was getting awfully tired and slower and slower.

Dave J
sd0044@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gail M. Turluck
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:49
Subject: RE: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Sunfish bridle traveler question


YEP!! The Sunfish does not pinch!! It will sail fairly close to the wind,
but few are successful when worrying about pulling the sail all the way to
center. Only really pays off in extremely light wind in my experience ...

You'd be getting the sheave up pretty high by the time you attach it to the
loop ...

Your choice. None of that would be legal for racing. Racers prefer without
the loop. Few dealers have them anymore ...

--G 8)

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-----Original Message-----
From: John C [mailto:jkcjohn@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:07 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Sunfish bridle traveler question


Gail,
I was thinking of using the bridle with the center loop to hold the
block sheave. I could then just feed the sheet through the block and
then tie it around the boom spar.

I take it from your set up and comments that you prefer to allow the
bridle connection to travel on the bridle. It seems to me that this
limits your ability to bring in the boom as close to center as you
might want to if you are really trying to pinch. My guess is that I
probably am over estimating the pointing ability of the sunfish.

John


--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Gail M. Turluck"
<turluck@c...> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> If it's too windy for your 9 year old to handle the main and pull
it in,
> then he's just not ready for sailing in that much wind. As kids
grow and
> get stronger, they are ready more and more for challenging
conditions.
> Physical strength stays fairly well in line with ability to handle
weather
> conditions and the boat in standard set up. If he learns with the
3:1,
> he'll always expect it. If there's a chance he'll race, it's
likely best he
> learn the "right" way and grow with it.
>
> The traveler block was standard for a short time. My 2000 boat did
not come
> with one. I don't think it's worth the expense. If you try to use
the
> sheave to make the 3:1 and have the bail on the block serve to
slide back
> and forth on the traveler wire, the probability is high that it
will catch
> at some point and the metal of the bail will cut the heavy plastic
coating
> on the wire. Right after that will come breaks in the traveler
wire. Yeah,
> they're "only" $15, but those $15's add up pretty quick!
>
> I tie a bowline with a tiny loop around the traveler wire and it
slides back
> and forth freely. It's bad enough the mainsheet often gets caught
around
> the back corner of the transom of the boat ... Having the traveler
block
> catch could be more trouble.
>
> My two cents! I always vote for K.I.S.S. (that last one is
Sweetie!).
>
> --Gail



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Re: Sunfish bridle traveler question

Gail M. Turluck
 

YEP!! The Sunfish does not pinch!! It will sail fairly close to the wind,
but few are successful when worrying about pulling the sail all the way to
center. Only really pays off in extremely light wind in my experience ...

You'd be getting the sheave up pretty high by the time you attach it to the
loop ...

Your choice. None of that would be legal for racing. Racers prefer without
the loop. Few dealers have them anymore ...

--G 8)

~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~
Gail M. Turluck
Sunfish 24186
~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~

-----Original Message-----
From: John C [mailto:jkcjohn@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:07 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Sunfish bridle traveler question


Gail,
I was thinking of using the bridle with the center loop to hold the
block sheave. I could then just feed the sheet through the block and
then tie it around the boom spar.

I take it from your set up and comments that you prefer to allow the
bridle connection to travel on the bridle. It seems to me that this
limits your ability to bring in the boom as close to center as you
might want to if you are really trying to pinch. My guess is that I
probably am over estimating the pointing ability of the sunfish.

John


--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Gail M. Turluck"
<turluck@c...> wrote:
Hi John,

If it's too windy for your 9 year old to handle the main and pull
it in,
then he's just not ready for sailing in that much wind. As kids
grow and
get stronger, they are ready more and more for challenging
conditions.
Physical strength stays fairly well in line with ability to handle
weather
conditions and the boat in standard set up. If he learns with the
3:1,
he'll always expect it. If there's a chance he'll race, it's
likely best he
learn the "right" way and grow with it.

The traveler block was standard for a short time. My 2000 boat did
not come
with one. I don't think it's worth the expense. If you try to use
the
sheave to make the 3:1 and have the bail on the block serve to
slide back
and forth on the traveler wire, the probability is high that it
will catch
at some point and the metal of the bail will cut the heavy plastic
coating
on the wire. Right after that will come breaks in the traveler
wire. Yeah,
they're "only" $15, but those $15's add up pretty quick!

I tie a bowline with a tiny loop around the traveler wire and it
slides back
and forth freely. It's bad enough the mainsheet often gets caught
around
the back corner of the transom of the boat ... Having the traveler
block
catch could be more trouble.

My two cents! I always vote for K.I.S.S. (that last one is
Sweetie!).

--Gail


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