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Re: Rudder and tiller help
Wayne
fnhspartan,
Anybody got the dimensions of a simple tiller and extension?Take a look in the FILES area for a new tiller diagram. The rudder assembly diagram also indicates a third holeI believe the third hole you are looking at is actually the post for the kick-up spring. Wayne --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "fnhspartan" <marquette_93@h...> wrote: I'm making some parts for my Sunfish's maiden voyage and could usebolt thru-hole and the spring posts. The rudder assembly diagram also |
New file uploaded to sunfish_sailor
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the sunfish_sailor group. File : /Diagrams and Pictures/Tiller.gif Uploaded by : sail_231 <wcarney@...> Description : Dimensioned Tiller You can access this file at the URL To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit Regards, sail_231 <wcarney@...> |
Re: Rudder and tiller help
Wayne
Hi John,
I have an 'early style' tiller and rudder assembly available...How's the boat now that you've been sailing with the proper rudder? Getting any teaching time in on the Sunfish or just sailing the Hobie? You've been awful quite since you got your new boat parts. Wayne --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "John Campbell" <jkcjohn@h...> wrote: I have an 'early style' tiller and rudder assembly available for$95 + shipping. let me know if you are interested and I'll providefurther details and photos. No sense in reinventing the wheel!bolt thru-hole and the spring posts. The rudder assembly diagram also |
Re: Supersunfish Season 2003
Wayne Carney
Hi Blent,
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Sounds like you had a great holiday. For teaching youngsters I have rigged my boat with a becket block in the outer position. This allows one extra wrap in the mainsheet and reduces the effort from 2:1 to 3:1. Adding the Vang sounds like a good idea too. Stay cool, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
Supersunfish Season 2003
After a 2 weeks holiday I turned back to my office. But it was good
season. The wind was so good, sunshine was allright. This was the first time I ride SuperSunfish, we had some problems for optimal rigging, but get over the problems with some custom made addons. Wind was so heavy for the first week. It was very hard for one man on the board. Because default rig size is very big, next year I need second spare rig about 4.7m2 for heavy winds. Board can climbe vey good to upwind. but it has son many ropes to handle. After using it on the water, I searched for new hardwear, specially on the Laser web sites; I found the "Harken Vang" for optimal solution. I hope I can buy it for next season. I put photos to group members photo area. Hi to all of you from Marmara Sea. (T¨¹rkiye) |
Re: Welcome to the largest and best - NOT
Wayne Carney
Howdy everyone,
Sorry 'bout the Spam. Too bad the mosquito spray doesn't work on these people too. As I understand it "sailboattrade.com" is a front for a hokey dating service. Just delete their message any time it appears. If you open it and go to their web site you are just encouraging them to come back and post more. BTW they can tell if you visit their site from within the group or from within their message on your home machine. Clicking on their link isn't doing anyone any good. Please ignore them. Wayne |
Re: Rudder and tiller help
I have an 'early style' tiller and rudder assembly available for $95 + shipping. let me know if you are interested and I'll provide further details and photos. No sense in reinventing the wheel!
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Rudder and tiller help
I'm making some parts for my Sunfish's maiden voyage and could use
some help. Anybody got the dimensions of a simple tiller and extension? They must be just two narrow boards pivoting on a single bolt. Also, the rudder diagrams do not indicate the locations for the bolt thru-hole and the spring posts. The rudder assembly diagram also indicates a third hole in the rudder blade - is that for a stop? Please let me know soon. Thanks! |
Re: id please
kendall bonner
From: "Wayne Carney" <wcarney@...> I'll do that.hopefully he'll have a name for it, I'll ask him when I head over that way _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* |
Re: id please
Wayne Carney
Ken,
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Well, quite the enigma. Could be an old Sunfish with all the markings gone and a replacement sail?? I'm not exactly in the neighborhood so it would be a bit of a trek for me to look-see. If you end up adding it to your fleet post a couple of photos so we can get a look. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
Re: id please
kendall bonner
From: "Wayne Carney" <wcarney@...>Hi Wayne, there are no id tags on it, but it looks identical to the sunfish next to it, if the sail didn't have the big M on it, I'd have gone on thinking it was a sunfish. sorry no pictures, they're at a lake that I sometimes go sailing at, I was out there the other day and a guy asked if I needed another sail for my boat, and as I'm always willing to add to my 'junk' collection I checked them out, he gave me the sail mast boom and yard from the 'non' sunfish, and said I could get the rest cheap,. if you are in michigan, there is a boat that also looks like a sunfish, sitting up at baptist lake with a $30. price tag on it, (yeah it's an older boat, but not wood) can't say anything about it other than that it's yellow, the hull looks good, and it's apparently not water logged,(I could move it easily to check out the hull condition) I was going sailing there and saw it leaning against a tree with a for sale sign on it, mast etc. were all wrapped in the sail,and I didn't unwrap them to look at them, so the sail may be dead. rudder and c-board looked in good shape. this is the boat I was thinking of when I picked up the other rig. thanks ken _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. |
Re: id please
Wayne Carney
Hello merc2dogs,
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Welcome ! Whew, that's a new one on me.... M(flower) - Miss Daisy? Mystery Flower? Morning Flower? Magic Flower? Morning Glory? Monkey Flower? Montgomery Wards? Any Hull Identification Number on a plate or etched into the transom? For example [ABC543210579] We could look it up in the USCG database? In the heyday of Sunfish (late '60 - '70's) literally hundreds (maybe thousands) of knock-off boats were marketed by every boat builder and sporting goods manufacturer you can think of. Is there any way we can see a photo? Does the seller have these boats on the web? Love to add this to the "Other Fish" album for future reference. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
id please
merc2dogs
Hello, new to the site,
located two boats that I plan to buy, one is definately a sunfish, but the other I am unsure of, and was wondering if someone here could help me out. It looks like a sunfish as far as rigging and hull go same size etc, (no tags or any id on the hull, so no help there), but the sail, while an exact match for the sunfish, has instead of a 'fish' design, a large black "M" with a small sunflower design on it, sail is white with a yellow bar acress it. any ideas? both are lateen rigs this boat has an aluminum plate c-board, and an aluminum rudder, with a cast aluminum upper/pivot section, and wooden tiller. |
Re: Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail
Hi Gail ....
Yeh, the lake is pretty neat. It is about 7 miles long and a half- mile across. Depth is about 90 feet in some places ..... so not much trouble with the weeds once you are out a bit. Also has a smaller "sister lake" that has same "rules" relative to boats, motors, and shoreline non-development. Have yet to sail it though. Hey, forget the commute ... just re-locate! There's lots of places to live on the lakes around here! <grin>. Happy sailing! / JM --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Gail Turluck" <turluck@c...> wrote: Dear JM,dammed up wide spots in rivers around here with that speed limit and itDOES keep the jet skiis and power boats away ... However, they're soagree <BR><BR>that it is pretty sensitive... but in "nearly non-existent wind" tosituations, I find that, if the tape flutters, and I set my sail <BR><BR>catch it .... it usually moves me along. Of course, I'm doing the toother "light wind tricks" also just as you say .... leaning a bit <BR><BR>leeward, pushing the boom out, sailing with daggerboard pulled up havehigh, etc. Also, when you think of it, you are always going to <BR>toyour sail set SOMEWHERE .... so I figure I might as well set it <BR>theycatch even the light flutters. If they move me ... GREAT .... if <BR><BR>don't... then maybe the next one will <grin>. <BR> one).suggestion though (At 10 cents, I can probably afford another <BR><BR>The thing I MIGHT like better about the yarn is ...... that it <BR>probably won't go into "curlies" like the cassette tape sometimes waterdoes. I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh down with <BR><BR>if/when it gets wet? <BR> <BR>started sailing on Hemlock Lake (one of the 11 Finger Lakes). No motorproblem there with high-power boats or Jet-ski's .... they <BR> <BR>Alsoallowed is 10 HP (so only see an occasional fisherman or canoe). <BR>on ano developement of shoreline allowed, so it is really like being <BR><BR>lake in the true wilderness; very peaceful! Wish there were more <wcarney@f...>lakes like it.<BR> <BR>aboutwrote:<BR>JM,<BR>commercial<BR> <BR>It10<BR>cents.<BR> <BR>pullwill tell<BR>you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to <BR>down tothe boat. I<BR>switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands <BR>forone and<BR>use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need <BR><BR>wind<BR>energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will the mayboat.<BR><BR> <BR>sailstill have<BR>to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the <BR>beatto fill,<BR>but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to <BR>butthe<BR>driftwood and flotsam home.<BR> <BR>Tail<BR>that's<BR>another issue.<BR> (a<BR> <BR>shownwind<BR>indicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one <BR>The<BR>on<BR>WINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great! maymaterials to make it probably cost about 10 cents.... and it <BR><BR>take<BR>about 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to <BR>replace<BR>a $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I itthink<BR>this home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check out<BR>href=">at:<BR> wi nd_indic.htm</a><BR><BR><BR> <BR>enables<BR>coming<BR>you to always know which direction your RELATIVE wind istake<BR>from .... in order that you can set your sail accordingly, toadvantage of it. It is ESPECIALLY useful on those days, when daysthere is<BR>seemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on <BR>when<BR>the wind is brisk.<BR> |
Re: Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail
Wayne Carney
Hey JM,
I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh downJust cheap ol' polyester from Hobby Lobby. Lifetime supply for 99 cents. (good for tying flies too if you get the right color) If it gets wet it dries quick enough.... usually by the time I get the cockpit bailed. And, usually if it gets dunked I don't need it anyway. Hemlock Lake sounds like a pretty nice place to sail. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
Re: Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail
Gail Turluck
Dear JM,
That lake sounds like Sunfish heaven to me! We have a couple of dammed up wide spots in rivers around here with that speed limit and it DOES keep the jet skiis and power boats away ... However, they're so shallow that the weeds keep the sailors away, too! Oh well. Enjoy ... Finger Lakes is kind of a long commute from southeast Michigan! 8) --Gail <html><body><BR> that it is pretty sensitive... but in "nearly non-existent wind" <BR><BR> catch it .... it usually moves me along. Of course, I'm doing the <BR><BR> leeward, pushing the boom out, sailing with daggerboard pulled up <BR><BR> your sail set SOMEWHERE .... so I figure I might as well set it to<BR> catch even the light flutters. If they move me ... GREAT .... if they<BR> don't... then maybe the next one will <grin>. <BR><BR> The thing I MIGHT like better about the yarn is ...... that it <BR><BR> if/when it gets wet? <BR><BR> allowed is 10 HP (so only see an occasional fisherman or canoe). Also<BR> no developement of shoreline allowed, so it is really like being on a<BR> lake in the true wilderness; very peaceful! Wish there were more <BR><BR> wrote:<BR><BR>JM,<BR>commercial<BR> 10<BR><BR>cents.<BR> will tell<BR><BR>you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to pull the boat. I<BR><BR>switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands down to one and<BR><BR>use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need for wind<BR><BR>energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will the <BR>boat.<BR><BR> still have<BR><BR>to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the sail to fill,<BR><BR>but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to beat the<BR><BR>driftwood and flotsam home.<BR> that's<BR><BR>another issue.<BR> wind<BR><BR>indicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one shown on<BR><BR>WINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great! The<BR> take<BR>out<BR>replace<BR>about 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to <BR>think<BR>a $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I <BR>this home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check it href=">at:<BR> nd_indic.htm</a><BR> coming<BR>enables<BR><BR> take<BR>from .... in order that you can set your sail accordingly, to <BR>there is<BR>advantage of it. It is ESPECIALLY useful on those days, when <BR>seemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on days when<BR>the wind is brisk.<BR> |
Re: Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail
Hi Wayne .....
Interesting point on the sensitivity of the cassette tape. I agree that it is pretty sensitive... but in "nearly non-existent wind" situations, I find that, if the tape flutters, and I set my sail to catch it .... it usually moves me along. Of course, I'm doing the other "light wind tricks" also just as you say .... leaning a bit to leeward, pushing the boom out, sailing with daggerboard pulled up high, etc. Also, when you think of it, you are always going to have your sail set SOMEWHERE .... so I figure I might as well set it to catch even the light flutters. If they move me ... GREAT .... if they don't... then maybe the next one will <grin>. Having said that, I still think I am also going to try your yarn suggestion though (At 10 cents, I can probably afford another one). The thing I MIGHT like better about the yarn is ...... that it probably won't go into "curlies" like the cassette tape sometimes does. I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh down with water if/when it gets wet? Yeh, I hear ya on the Jet-ski/Power boats. However, I recently started sailing on Hemlock Lake (one of the 11 Finger Lakes). No problem there with high-power boats or Jet-ski's .... they aren't allowed. Largest boats allowed are 16 foot, and largest motor allowed is 10 HP (so only see an occasional fisherman or canoe). Also no developement of shoreline allowed, so it is really like being on a lake in the true wilderness; very peaceful! Wish there were more lakes like it. Take care .... Happy sailing. /JM --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Wayne Carney" <wcarney@f...> wrote: JM,commercial version is out there too, but like you say this one only cost about10 cents.will tell you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to pullthe boat. I switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands down toone and use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need forwind energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will theboat. still have to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the sailto fill, but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to beatthe driftwood and flotsam home.that's another issue.wind onindicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one shown takeWINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great! The replaceabout 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to thinka $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I enablesthis home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check it out there isyou to always know which direction your RELATIVE wind is coming whenseemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on days the wind is brisk. |
Re: Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail
Wayne Carney
JM,
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That tel-tail is about the best idea since sliced bread. A commercial version is out there too, but like you say this one only cost about 10 cents. I found the cassette tape was a bit too sensitive to the wind. It will tell you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to pull the boat. I switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands down to one and use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need for wind energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will the boat. I'm talking about the worst case - nearly nonexistent wind. I may still have to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the sail to fill, but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to beat the driftwood and flotsam home. ....then the jet skis zoom by and stop you dead in their wake, but that's another issue. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail
If any of you are sailing your Sunfish without a "Tell-Tail" (a wind
indicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one shown on WINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great! The materials to make it probably cost about 10 cents.... and it may take about 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to replace a $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I think this home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check it out at: For those that may be unfamiliar with a "Tell-tail" ...... it enables you to always know which direction your RELATIVE wind is coming from .... in order that you can set your sail accordingly, to take advantage of it. It is ESPECIALLY useful on those days, when there is seemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on days when the wind is brisk. Happy sailing! /JM |
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