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Informal Sunfish Racing in Highland Park, Illinois
Jim Irwin
Happy 2004 to all of the Sunfish Sailors on this list.
I would like to extend an offer for anyone who wishes to sail their Fish, in Lake Michigan next summer, to look us up. We can give you a free launch pass when you visit us. We have 20 active Sunfishers and have a great crash boat. Sailing the waves is very fun. Check the www.northshoreyachtclub.com website for detail We always have a barbeque after racing. Come on the Full moon and watch the moonrise over the lake. See you all there. Jim Irwin |
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Re: Need a sail
Jim Irwin
Brad, I know that money is tight, maybe Santa could help you out.
the Sail on a sailboat is like the motor in a car. You need to think about having the best sail you can afford. Used racing Sails cost $200, knock off Cruising sails cost about the same new. A racing sail with a window is safer, and more powerful. There was a guy who made his sails out of Tyvek, They worked very well. I am serious on this. You can look it up on the internet. A grommet machine and some contact cement and some Tyvek off the the neighbors new construction. Uncle Jim --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "bsinclair121" <bsinclair121@y...> wrote: I would like to buy a good used sail. It can be either a standardor a racing sail. I can not afford the price of a new one. Thank you. |
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Re: New member!
Jim Irwin
Thanks guys, Hey Rey. It is a small world eh.
I will tell the "fishers" in my club about this list. Well I have to do my Sunday El Toro sailing. 55 degrees and 14 knots out of the SW. Jim --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Wayne Carney" <wcarney@f...> wrote: Hi Jim,racing comment ora Sunfish is the best sailing one person can do. So thanks for ask questions. |
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Re: New member!
Wayne Carney
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Welcome to the Sunfish Sailor group. Glad you find it informative. That's a great club you have there in HP. Wayne 77742 -----Original Message----- |
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Re: New member!
Rey Garza
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I guess you're everywhere. Good to see ya here. Rey Garza Austin, TX -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Irwin [mailto:pezdelsol_nsyc@...] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 8:04 PM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: [sunfish_sailor] New member! Hey folks, I was happy to find this list. I am an avid Sunfish Racer, and Buccaneer 18 racer. My club uses pure Sunfish to teach sailing, and we have a 20 boat fleet of Sunfish Racers. We had the 2001 Sunfish North American Championships at our club, and we love Sunfish. We belive that racing a Sunfish is the best sailing one person can do. So thanks for letting me learn more about this great boat. Feel free to comment or ask questions. Jim Irwin Sail 3057 Highland Park, Illinois Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: New member!
Jim Irwin
Hey Gail, how's my girl!
Uj --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Jim Irwin" <pezdelsol_nsyc@y...> wrote: Hey folks, I was happy to find this list. I am an avid Sunfishracing a Sunfish is the best sailing one person can do. So thanks foror ask questions. |
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New member!
Jim Irwin
Hey folks, I was happy to find this list. I am an avid Sunfish
Racer, and Buccaneer 18 racer. My club uses pure Sunfish to teach sailing, and we have a 20 boat fleet of Sunfish Racers. We had the 2001 Sunfish North American Championships at our club, and we love Sunfish. We belive that racing a Sunfish is the best sailing one person can do. So thanks for letting me learn more about this great boat. Feel free to comment or ask questions. Jim Irwin Sail 3057 Highland Park, Illinois |
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Re: Project boat
Wayne Carney
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Like you have discovered, info for the Super is hard to find. For what it's worth, I believe the boats were marketed from about 1975 to 1985. I found these sail dimensions in a message posted in another group. The message dates back to 2000 and there's no guarantee the person who posted it has these numbers right. : 16.2 ft. - Luff : 16.6 ft. - Leech : 7.8 ft. - Foot : Total = @65 sq. ft. I have heard that the only major difference between the Super and the standard is the sail & mast style. I assume that the sail area remained the same - so I'm thinking it should be 75 sq ft. From everything I have read, the hull used is the same for both styles. So, the weight should probably be around 135 lb. You may have some water in the hull, but regardless, the same techniques for maintaining a dry hull apply. See this group's FILES section for an overview on drying a hull. Keep us posted if you come up with more info. We can start a Super Sunfish area for any bona fide information we gather. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Project boat
Thanks to everyone for the helpful information. I am finding that
information on my Super Sunfish is not easy to find. I have two questions I hope you can help with. 1. The hull of this boat weights 155 pounds. From what I have read, this most likely means it is water logged. I am using the 115-125 hull weight of a Sunfish as a measure, is it possible that the Super Sunfish hull is larger and therefore weights more? Would you recommend I take action and try to dry out the inside of the boat? 2. Are sails for the Sunfish and Super Sunfish the same size? I have been unsuccessfull in finding someone who sells a replacement Super Sunfish sail (without the grommets). Thanks again! |
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Re: Refinishing
Wayne Carney
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Your boards are most likely finished with marine (spar) varnish. If the wood is in good shape you should only need to sand and apply three or four new coats. Good varnishes can be obtained from any marine supplier. Marine varnish comes in Alkylid (oil based), Polyurethane, and Epoxy varieties. Each has its merits and difficulties. All work well when the surface is prepared properly and the varnish is applied correctly. Personally, I like Pettit's Z-Spar, an alkylid varnish. It has a little bit of a golden tone and makes the Mahogany look rich and appear to have three dimensional depth. Steer clear of home products normally found at the local hardware. Despite their nautical references these products usually will not withstand emersion. I found one popular brand's label to have so much "swash and buckle" on it you'd think it came with a parrot and a chest of doubloons, however, the fine print said "not for exterior use". Look for brands such as: Interlux, Epifanes, Pettit, or West System to name a couple. To decide which product to use I recommend you review the product guides and "How To" sections at the various manufacturer sites. Interlux: Epifanes: Pettit: West System: Rather than write an entire article on the in's and out's of varnish application I will direct you to some people who have already written tomes on the subject... search on "canoe" + "varnish". In the search results I believe you will find all the step-by-step advice you could ever imagine. One last comment - you'll need a warm (65+ degrees 24/7) place to work, note the comments on thinning (sometimes contrary to the manufacturer's instructions), and heed the advice on solvent washing and tack-cloth use. You should end up with good results.... Take it from someone who has tried when it was too cold, too dusty, and too thick.... and then scrubbed, scraped, and sanded a lot of gooey gritty gunk off their boards just to try it all over again. Good Luck, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Refinishing
mikejanow
How do I go about redoing my rudder and daggerboard. It's 30 years
or older but in pretty good shape. I hope you don't need to know how it was done before (varish, shellac, something else?) cause I don't know how to tell. I guess the first step is sanding. Tell me what to do after that. |
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Re: Winter storage of sunfish in garage
Neil Chadderton
Hi Wayne, thanks for your time, patience and information. I appreciate this. The webbing technique sounds interesting and very practical. Thanks again, I'll ponder these options.
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Regards, Neil Wayne Carney <wcarney@...> wrote: Hi Neil, Take a look here.... Click on the pull-down list and scroll to the last section. Look for, "Home-made Trailers, Dollies & Garage Racks". ...the thing to note is the angle iron attached to the garage ceiling. Lets you attach to the joists at multiple points with smaller lags so the stress isn't all at the pulleys and the holes in the joists are less likely to weaken them as much. This person only advocates 2 or 3 lags per bar, personally, I'd use at least 6 lags per piece. Your block system can also be created so it's controlled from one place as opposed to each individual corner. I question the use of "V" cleats as shown. I'd use cams or horn cleats or both. I have used a more simple system in the past. Four eyes attached to the joists, 1" web/cam straps** long enough to do the job (your garage ceiling height may be different from mine). Sling the boat in the webbing and tighten the straps a couple of feet at a time to maintain somewhat level hoisting. It takes a couple of pulls to get up to the ceiling, but it's not difficult. The real advantage is - when the boat is down at working level the hull can be turned in the slings to any position - turned on its side and even inverted. Lower it onto saw horses if a solid work surface is needed. ** I shy away from flimsy ratchet straps - hate those ratchets and the cheap straps aren't worth beans. I make my own straps from webbing and cams purchased separately, sewn with lightweight poly upholstery thread on my home sewing machine. One 30' strap takes about 5 min to make and cost $13.60 (cam $4) + (Strap @ $0.32/ft) Pre-made straps can run three times that much. REI NWS note: 1500 lb web strength Good Luck, Wayne -----Original Message----- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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Re: Winter storage of sunfish in garage
Neil Chadderton
Gail, thanks for your comments - I appreciate this.
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Regards, Neil "Gail M. Turluck" <turluck@...> wrote: Yeah, if you try to put the lag bolt in vertically you could be asking for a problem. Put that off season ratchet block to work and you won't have a problem at all. I wouldn't bother with all the work of building a frame or anything. If you really want to part with money, there's the Harken Hoister system that will do what you want. (Peter loves it when I give him a plug!) www.harken.com But, even $1 pulleys from the hardware store, strategically placed, will do the job. The drill the hole option with a piece of rope will do, too. I can lift half a Sunfish with little trouble. Hoisting it is less trouble. Hope this helps. Hope you can heat the space. (Recommend against painting unless you absolutely must. Better to polish the hull if it can be salvaged, even with a couple imperfect spots. Paint scratches relatively quickly and then has to be stripped (hard to do off fiberglass) and redone ... I've spent too much time stripping paint off painted boats, so I know!) Good luck! Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ -----Original Message-----
From: rr optin [mailto:optin@...] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:56 PM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: Re: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap. ----- Original Message ----- From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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Re: Winter storage of sunfish in garage
Neil Chadderton
OK, thanks for your reply. Maybe I should stop stressing on this and keep it simple.
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Regards, Neil rr optin <optin@...> wrote: How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap. ----- Original Message -----
From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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Re: Winter storage of sunfish in garage
Neil Chadderton
OK, thanks for your reply. Maybe I should stop stressing on this and keep it simple.
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Regards, Neil rr optin <optin@...> wrote: How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap. ----- Original Message -----
From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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Re: Winter storage of sunfish in garage
Wayne Carney
Hi Neil,
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Take a look here.... Click on the pull-down list and scroll to the last section. Look for, "Home-made Trailers, Dollies & Garage Racks". ...the thing to note is the angle iron attached to the garage ceiling. Lets you attach to the joists at multiple points with smaller lags so the stress isn't all at the pulleys and the holes in the joists are less likely to weaken them as much. This person only advocates 2 or 3 lags per bar, personally, I'd use at least 6 lags per piece. Your block system can also be created so it's controlled from one place as opposed to each individual corner. I question the use of "V" cleats as shown. I'd use cams or horn cleats or both. I have used a more simple system in the past. Four eyes attached to the joists, 1" web/cam straps** long enough to do the job (your garage ceiling height may be different from mine). Sling the boat in the webbing and tighten the straps a couple of feet at a time to maintain somewhat level hoisting. It takes a couple of pulls to get up to the ceiling, but it's not difficult. The real advantage is - when the boat is down at working level the hull can be turned in the slings to any position - turned on its side and even inverted. Lower it onto saw horses if a solid work surface is needed. ** I shy away from flimsy ratchet straps - hate those ratchets and the cheap straps aren't worth beans. I make my own straps from webbing and cams purchased separately, sewn with lightweight poly upholstery thread on my home sewing machine. One 30' strap takes about 5 min to make and cost $13.60 (cam $4) + (Strap @ $0.32/ft) Pre-made straps can run three times that much. REI NWS note: 1500 lb web strength Good Luck, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Project boat
Wayne Carney
Hi blfat2fish,
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You've probably got a Super Sunfish. There are a few pictures of this rig in the PHOTOS area. One of the members has one and has posted photos of the boat in action. Parts are a long time out-of-production and quite scarce. Here's a link where used parts can be found from time to time: Hope this helps, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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