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Is 1/2 HP really enough?
New to the group, just picked up my first SB (1952 10K) which came with a 1/2 HP Westinghouse motor. Not sure but motor at least looks original. Anyone know what these machines came with new? Poor thing is struggling to take even a 20 though cut. Is it possible that something is keeping it from making full power? Start cap starts it right up, but not sure if the run cap could possibly be causing a problem. Any help would be appreciated. Machine was in pieces when I found it a few days ago, here'
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1/2 HP should be well enough power to run your lathe.? My 9" SBL originally had a 1/4 HP motor on it.? It finally died and replaced with a 1/2 HP DC PM motor.??
Tow things that come to mind is, how tight is the flat belt?? Too tight it will draw down the motor.? Next what kind of cutting tool are you using?? How free does the spindle turn with the flat belt disengaged from the sheaves? Ken |
开云体育Nice looking 10K! Mine came with a brand new 1 HP motor (it had been 3 phase) and it really struggles to make a 20 thou cut too. But the problem is in the flat belt, not the power of the motor. When it bogs down it just throws the belt off the pulleys. Does your motor stall on heavy cuts or is one of the belts slipping? The 1966 SB catalog that I have seen lists all the motor options as being 1/2 HP. Lots of factors can affect depth of cut ability. Material, cutter, RPM of work and feed rate. A flat belt upgrade is on my to do list. I know that all the power available is not being transferred to the spindle. In the mean time when hogging off material, I find the fastest removal rate that works by experimenting and then just accepting the extra turning time. It's all enjoyable to me and way better than when I didn't have a lathe... Turning scrap parts into pounds of chips and killing cutters if half the fun!
On 11/6/23 08:48, soloboxrider wrote:
New to the group, just picked up my first SB (1952 10K) which came with a 1/2 HP Westinghouse motor. Not sure but motor at least looks original. Anyone know what these machines came with new? Poor thing is struggling to take even a 20 though cut. Is it possible that something is keeping it from making full power? Start cap starts it right up, but not sure if the run cap could possibly be causing a problem. Any help would be appreciated. Machine was in pieces when I found it a few days ago, here' |
开云体育I agree , when i got my 9A it had a 1/3 or 1/2 hp motor & I never had a problem bogging the machine down . I took some very heavy experimental cuts? way way heavier than .020 just feeling out the machine & never had any issues . Have you dried to see what it takes to bog just the motor down ? Maybe put some pressure on a 2x4 against the motor pulley & see if it slow's it down ?? Have you done the spindle adjust with the rod through the spindle ? Do yer bearing caps get hot when using ? animal On 11/6/23 10:05 AM, Rick wrote:
I have the original 1/2 hp motor on my 1947 SB9A. ?I replaced the leather flat belt with a serpentine automotive belt that I run with the flat side to the pulleys. ?I take .050" cuts in steel without a problem. ?If you go this route, replace the wicks while you have the spindle out. |
Cuts like that are for roughing materials for production work. If you're doing production work it's good to have that capability. Maybe even if you're not doing production work, if your shop time is very limited. :) But that isn't appropriate for fine work. So you should set your depth of cut for the kind of work you need. As they say, it's harder to put material back on than it is to take it off. Only you can determine what's appropriate if you're in your own shop... I have never done production, so my needs are going to be different from those of a guy who is doing production. And I piddle around trying to get the very best accuracy I can manage. Someday maybe I'll be good enough at it to take my ability for granted. Today ain't that day, though! My Heavy 10L is vintage 1941, and was shipped from the factory to a government armory toolroom with a 3/4hp single phase motor. I expect they wanted excellent accuracy and best productivity... Bill in OKC? William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 01:19:52 PM CST, Rick <vwrick@...> wrote:
According to How To Run A Lathe, the maximum depth of cut of a SB9 is .125" in hot rolled carbon steel. the SB13 is .250", and the SB16 is .375". I have never tried those depths on either my 9 or 13. ? |
This only works if you sharpen your cutting tools according to the book using HSS.? That depth of cut is viable but the spindle RPM's are very slow and possibly the back gear is used.??
I have a HSS cutter ground up just for roughing, taking up to 1/8" depth of cuts.? Generally don't use the back gear or cut on anything over 1-1/2 in diameter on the 9" lathe.? I have a 15" lathe for the bigger diameters to be cut on.? That lathe just says feed me more! |
I'll second that...my late-80's 10K I got so sick of the original Texalon belt jumping off the pulley step, I replaced it with a new real leather belt...no improvement...I decided to buy a v-belt spindle pulley and machine a v-belt countershaft pulley and that turned into it's own brand of nightmare [never trust eBay vendors selling bandsaw drops unless the material is verified]...
Anyway, so I put a serpentine belt on, skived and glued, and the 1/2HP Leeson single phase motor [running in back gear and slowest step] will stall out before the belt jumps or slips.
So now I can make my v-belt CS pulley from this piece of unidentifium [might be 4130, 4140, A2 pre-hard, or Cor-Ten, who knows?] but now I question whether I need it... |