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FF.com Cloudflare and download issues

John Braun All Messages By This Member #38678 I am >this< close to? giving? up Fanfiction.com due to Cloudflare.? I have tried to contact FF administrators over this issue however they are notorious at hiding themselves and/or contact info.? I even tried Face Book to no avail. I admit? I? use a paid VPN (and it is a very good one) but? still - having be click buses or boats every other chapter or so is just CRAZY (paranoid much?).? Between readers ready to riot over download and Cloudflare issues, I would be surprised if their revenues are not starting to drop.? I mean, really, how user unfriendly can?? they get from where they are now? So if you have ANYTHING to do with FF.com, back off from this ridiculousness before users begin backing off from YOU.?? If users got together and did not use their site for a month, I bet it would scare the Snorkacks out of them!? Maybe a user strike would make an impact!
Ariel Schnee Member Profile All Messages By This Member #38679 ? There is a fatal flaw in what you are saying. You assume they care. They don't. They like it when you can't download. They don't want you to download. ? ? ? --- ? Signature - SFW - Signature - NSFW - ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: John Braun To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:26 AM Subject: [Snorkack] FF.com Cloudflare and download issues I am >this< close to? giving? up Fanfiction.com due to Cloudflare.? I have tried to contact FF administrators over this issue however they are notorious at hiding themselves and/or contact info.? I even tried Face Book to no avail. I admit? I? use a paid VPN (and it is a very good one) but? still - having be click buses or boats every other chapter or so is just CRAZY (paranoid much?).? Between readers ready to riot over download and Cloudflare issues, I would be surprised if their revenues are not starting to drop.? I mean, really, how user unfriendly can?? they get from where they are now? So if you have ANYTHING to do with FF.com, back off from this ridiculousness before users begin backing off from YOU.?? If users got together and did not use their site for a month, I bet it would scare the Snorkacks out of them!? Maybe a user strike would make an impact!
Stephenopolos All Messages By This Member #38680 Exactly, IIRC, the admin of FFN made the site as a personal project specifically for one very small slice of fanfiction and that's the only fanfiction they actually care about, if something is wrong with the site relating directly to the fanfiction they read it gets fixed fast, if nothing is wrong with the part they care about it can stick around forever until they get around to it.
Katy Todd Member Profile All Messages By This Member #38681 ? Well, at least right now, no chapters are missing from downloads. Katy toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: John Braun To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:26 AM Subject: [Snorkack] FF.com Cloudflare and download issues I am >this< close to? giving? up Fanfiction.com due to Cloudflare.? I have tried to contact FF administrators over this issue however they are notorious at hiding themselves and/or contact info.? I even tried Face Book to no avail. I admit? I? use a paid VPN (and it is a very good one) but? still - having be click buses or boats every other chapter or so is just CRAZY (paranoid much?).? Between readers ready to riot over download and Cloudflare issues, I would be surprised if their revenues are not starting to drop.? I mean, really, how user unfriendly can?? they get from where they are now? So if you have ANYTHING to do with FF.com, back off from this ridiculousness before users begin backing off from YOU.?? If users got together and did not use their site for a month, I bet it would scare the Snorkacks out of them!? Maybe a user strike would make an impact!
The Blind Dragon All Messages By This Member #38682 开云体育 I discovered that while using a VPN is a good idea, the issue that arises is that, unless you use a static IP address, the VPN uses the same IP for everyone that uses their service and that causes a lot of problems with Cloud Fleur as it thinks that any hits coming from that IP is a robot due to the numerous hits coming in.??? This was explained to me from my own VPN service and why they were pushing for a Static IP account with them. ? TBD ?
Timothy Wynn All Messages By This Member #38683 I'm curious what happens when one uses the VPN with FFN? Does it do the thing any less often?
Karen Lewellen All Messages By This Member #38684 On another list someone suggested sending an email to dev@... If you use twitter, fictionpress is how or where they are hiding. Speaking personally? I agree, would certainly be contacting advertisers. You do have the right of it though, the individual behind fanfiction.net is paranoid, perhaps understandably so, but punishing users and not configuring cloudflare reasonably is no way to stay afloat. Encourage the author of the stories you read to move their works elsewhere, ao3 for example. Kare toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, John Braun wrote: I am >this< close to? giving? up Fanfiction.com due to Cloudflare.? I have tried to contact FF administrators over this issue however they are notorious at hiding themselves and/or contact info.? I even tried Face Book to no avail. I admit? I? use a paid VPN (and it is a very good one) but? still - having be click buses or boats every other chapter or so is just CRAZY (paranoid much?).? Between readers ready to riot over download and Cloudflare issues, I would be surprised if their revenues are not starting to drop.? I mean, really, how user unfriendly can?? they get from where they are now? So if you have ANYTHING to do with FF.com, back off from this ridiculousness before users begin backing off from YOU.?? If users got together and did not use their site for a month, I bet it would scare the Snorkacks out of them!? Maybe a user strike would make an impact!
SlickRCBD All Messages By This Member #38685 On 6/15/2022 5:33 AM, Ariel Schnee wrote: ? There is a fatal flaw in what you are saying. You assume they _care_. They _don't_. They _like_ it when you can't download. They _don't want_ you to download. ** That is true. That is explicitly why they used the "feature" to prevent people from selecting and copy/pasting text in stories. There used to be a website similar to Fichub called flagfic. They blocked them, and a couple others. So they see Cloudflare's blocking downloader programs as a feature, not a bug.
Karen Lewellen All Messages By This Member #38686 While I respect the they do not want you to download stance. Consider that apparently? mobile users, can download, even without the ads. Further cloudflare impacts desktop users as well, reading on line, not just when using a program. Wonder how much ad revenue the site generates? toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Stephenopolos wrote: Exactly, IIRC, the admin of FFN made the site as a personal project specifically for one very small slice of fanfiction and that's the only fanfiction they actually care about, if something is wrong with the site relating directly to the fanfiction they read it gets fixed fast, if nothing is wrong with the part they care about it can stick around forever until they get around to it.
Rai All Messages By This Member #38687 It highly depends on your ip if cloud flare trust you or not when I get a new ip (which happens only 2-3 times per year) then I have to click on hundreds of captchas per day (the Web version of FFDL is running the backend locally). But after some time the number goes down and around one week later there is not a single captcha coming up. The "checking browser" appears regular, but no captcha anymore. So while FF.net likes to block you, cloud flare itself just tries to secure sites an has no interest to block you if you look reasonable human. Am 15. Juni 2022 16:47:08 MESZ schrieb Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...>: toggle quoted message Show quoted text While I respect the they do not want you to download stance. Consider that apparently? mobile users, can download, even without the ads. Further cloudflare impacts desktop users as well, reading on line, not just when using a program. Wonder how much ad revenue the site generates? On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Stephenopolos wrote: Exactly, IIRC, the admin of FFN made the site as a personal project specifically for one very small slice of fanfiction and that's the only fanfiction they actually care about, if something is wrong with the site relating directly to the fanfiction they read it gets fixed fast, if nothing is wrong with the part they care about it can stick around forever until they get around to it. Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#38686): /g/Snorkack/message/38686 Mute This Topic: /mt/91772401/2097849 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: /g/Snorkack/leave/4444999/2097849/325877012/xyzzy [raimond@...] -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Ger?t mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
John Braun All Messages By This Member #38689 I fully understand they do not CARE!? What they do care about is REVENUE. FF.com is a sales site like any other.? They allow any and all to post stories and the readers flock to the site to read them.The revenue comes when the readers spend time at FF,com and are inundated with ads.? Each ad the readers are exposed to, gets FF,com paid for exposing readers to their ads.? If the number of readers decreases, so does the revenue.? This is where readers, downloaders, haters of cloudflare, etc. have their power.?? If people decide not to visit FF.com every Tuesday (or any other day of the? week so long as it is done ON THE SAME DAY), the revenue for that day drops to zero.? If that does not get their attention, then say visitors start doing it 2 days a week.? This WILL get their attention! Now I understand zero visitors will not happen.? But if even 1/2 the readers get involved, they will notice.Then they will have to figure out what to do to fix things.? This has worked before even if it takes time.? I think this is the ONLY WAY to get their attention and results.? But it would take a great many people to get their attention.? I am willing to go to other sites 1X a week, how about the rest of you?
Karen Lewellen All Messages By This Member #38690 Is there a reason why you are calling fanfiction.net ff.com? Indeed, your idea is a fine one, perhaps add a formal petition, sent to advertisers as well. Not really in your audience, I read mostly at ao3, because of the ffn issues. gathering your forces is where the creative thinking must begin though. Do you ask writers to ask their readers? speak on fanfiction podcasts? post to Facebook groups and large discussion lists where fanfiction is discussed? toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, 16 Jun 2022, John Braun wrote: I fully understand they do not CARE! What they do care about is REVENUE. FF.com is a sales site like any other. They allow any and all to post stories and the readers flock to the site to read them.The revenue comes when the readers spend time at FF,com and are inundated with ads. Each ad the readers are exposed to, gets FF,com paid for exposing readers to their ads. If the number of readers decreases, so does the revenue. This is where readers, downloaders, haters of cloudflare, etc. have their power. If people decide not to visit FF.com every Tuesday (or any other day of the week so long as it is done ON THE SAME DAY), the revenue for that day drops to zero. If that does not get their attention, then say visitors start doing it 2 days a week. This WILL get their attention! Now I understand zero visitors will not happen. But if even 1/2 the readers get involved, they will notice.Then they will have to figure out what to do to fix things. This has worked before even if it takes time. I think this is the ONLY WAY to get their attention and results. But it would take a great many people to get their attention. I am willing to go to other sites 1X a week, how about the rest of you?
Elizabeth DeLooze All Messages By This Member #38691 They are calling Fanfiction.net fanfiction.com because they have been using that site for long enough that they were using it back when that was its name. Yes years ago it was a .com rather than a .net. On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 09:29:07 PM EDT, Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...> wrote: Is there a reason why you are calling fanfiction.net ff.com? Indeed, your idea is a fine one,? perhaps add a formal petition,? sent to advertisers as well. Not really in your audience, I read mostly at ao3, because of the ffn issues. gathering your forces is where the creative thinking must begin though. Do you ask writers to ask their readers?? speak on fanfiction podcasts? post to Facebook groups and large discussion lists where fanfiction is discussed? toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, 16 Jun 2022, John Braun wrote: > I fully understand they do not CARE!? What they do care about is REVENUE. > FF.com is a sales site like any other.? They allow any and all to post > stories and the readers flock to the site to read them.The revenue comes > when the readers spend time at FF,com and are inundated with ads.? Each ad > the readers are exposed to, gets FF,com paid for exposing readers to their > ads. > > If the number of readers decreases, so does the revenue.? This is where > readers, downloaders, haters of cloudflare, etc. have their power.? If > people decide not to visit FF.com every Tuesday (or any other day of the > week so long as it is done ON THE SAME DAY), the revenue for that day drops > to zero.? If that does not get their attention, then say visitors start > doing it 2 days a week.? This WILL get their attention! > > Now I understand zero visitors will not happen.? But if even 1/2 the > readers get involved, they will notice.Then they will have to figure out > what to do to fix things.? This has worked before even if it takes time.? I > think this is the ONLY WAY to get their attention and results.? But it > would take a great many people to get their attention.? I am willing to go > to other sites 1X a week, how about the rest of you? > > > > > >
Karen Lewellen All Messages By This Member #38692 Their email still goes to fanfiction.com, with fictionpress added now as well. I asked though because they talked of visiting fanfiction.com it seems. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Fri, 17 Jun 2022, Elizabeth DeLooze via groups.io wrote: They are calling Fanfiction.net fanfiction.com because they have been using that site for long enough that they were using it back when that was its name. Yes years ago it was a .com rather than a .net. On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 09:29:07 PM EDT, Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...> wrote: Is there a reason why you are calling fanfiction.net ff.com? Indeed, your idea is a fine one,? perhaps add a formal petition,? sent to advertisers as well. Not really in your audience, I read mostly at ao3, because of the ffn issues. gathering your forces is where the creative thinking must begin though. Do you ask writers to ask their readers?? speak on fanfiction podcasts? post to Facebook groups and large discussion lists where fanfiction is discussed? On Thu, 16 Jun 2022, John Braun wrote: I fully understand they do not CARE!? What they do care about is REVENUE. FF.com is a sales site like any other.? They allow any and all to post stories and the readers flock to the site to read them.The revenue comes when the readers spend time at FF,com and are inundated with ads.? Each ad the readers are exposed to, gets FF,com paid for exposing readers to their ads. If the number of readers decreases, so does the revenue.? This is where readers, downloaders, haters of cloudflare, etc. have their power.? If people decide not to visit FF.com every Tuesday (or any other day of the week so long as it is done ON THE SAME DAY), the revenue for that day drops to zero.? If that does not get their attention, then say visitors start doing it 2 days a week.? This WILL get their attention! Now I understand zero visitors will not happen.? But if even 1/2 the readers get involved, they will notice.Then they will have to figure out what to do to fix things.? This has worked before even if it takes time.? I think this is the ONLY WAY to get their attention and results.? But it would take a great many people to get their attention.? I am willing to go to other sites 1X a week, how about the rest of you?

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