A Question Was Cloud computing
I currently have my computer backed up with several external hard
drives (they are getting rather elderly), and three different Cloud
services (sue me, I'm paranoid). My question is about those rather
elderly external hard drives. Can anyone suggest some replacements??
Would it help to know that my paranoia has me running 5 of the silly
things? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Trouble
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
And then they wonder why they're failing. It can't be -their- fault. No, it -has- to be the workers'. ... Sheesh.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "SlickRCBD" <slickrcbdalerts@...> To: < [email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic #ficsearch) You forgot that the short-sighted company that just let go of their IT staff then realizes that they DO need to pay for people to maintain those workstations or laptops they issued everyone. That even the extended warranty doesn't cover software issues and that the infrastructure in the building can still fail with users who can't track down a cable that is loose or disconnected, and are often prohibited by company Policy from even attempting to diagnose things themselves. Then of course they want to hire somebody with a master's in computer science with 2-5 years experience that knows all their specialized programs inside and out and pay them $25,000 a year to maintain things, and complain about a "labor shortage" when they can't find any candidates that are a perfect match, all say they need to learn one or two of their programs, or just graduated and have no "business experience", only experience maintaining computers for friends and family, or only have an associates degree, etc. It's not like they can't learn and be trained on the more highly specialized programs, no they need somebody that can "hit the ground running" with no training time.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Don't forget the 10 years experience with a new language or framework only developed 3 years ago.
On 4/30/2022 11:34 AM, Brandon wrote:
> The idea is it's a cost savings to not have to pay for servers and
> floorspace and only pay for the compute you actually use.
>
> Then it becomes "Well, it's a bit more expensive but I don't have to pay
> for people dedicated to maintaining the infrastructure."
>
> Then it ends up "I need to be able to make full control decisions for my
> equipment, and [Cloud Company] doesn't let me, so we'll buy servers and
> open a datacenter."
>
> Government contracting follows the same swing between gov employees and
> contractors.
>
You forgot that the short-sighted company that just let go of their IT
staff then realizes that they DO need to pay for people to maintain
those workstations or laptops they issued everyone. That even the
extended warranty doesn't cover software issues and that the
infrastructure in the building can still fail with users who can't track
down a cable that is loose or disconnected, and are often prohibited by
company Policy from even attempting to diagnose things themselves.
Then of course they want to hire somebody with a master's in computer
science with 2-5 years experience that knows all their specialized
programs inside and out and pay them $25,000 a year to maintain things,
and complain about a "labor shortage" when they can't find any
candidates that are a perfect match, all say they need to learn one or
two of their programs, or just graduated and have no "business
experience", only experience maintaining computers for friends and
family, or only have an associates degree, etc.
It's not like they can't learn and be trained on the more highly
specialized programs, no they need somebody that can "hit the ground
running" with no training time.
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On 4/30/2022 2:25 AM, DaZZa wrote: I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me.
I have a mug at work that reads
"There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
DaZZa
Sometimes I think this modern emphasize on Cloud Computing is actually an NSA or CIA plot to make snooping easier.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
On 4/30/2022 11:34 AM, Brandon wrote: The idea is it's a cost savings to not have to pay for servers and floorspace and only pay for the compute you actually use.
Then it becomes "Well, it's a bit more expensive but I don't have to pay for people dedicated to maintaining the infrastructure."
Then it ends up "I need to be able to make full control decisions for my equipment, and [Cloud Company] doesn't let me, so we'll buy servers and open a datacenter."
Government contracting follows the same swing between gov employees and contractors.
You forgot that the short-sighted company that just let go of their IT staff then realizes that they DO need to pay for people to maintain those workstations or laptops they issued everyone. That even the extended warranty doesn't cover software issues and that the infrastructure in the building can still fail with users who can't track down a cable that is loose or disconnected, and are often prohibited by company Policy from even attempting to diagnose things themselves. Then of course they want to hire somebody with a master's in computer science with 2-5 years experience that knows all their specialized programs inside and out and pay them $25,000 a year to maintain things, and complain about a "labor shortage" when they can't find any candidates that are a perfect match, all say they need to learn one or two of their programs, or just graduated and have no "business experience", only experience maintaining computers for friends and family, or only have an associates degree, etc. It's not like they can't learn and be trained on the more highly specialized programs, no they need somebody that can "hit the ground running" with no training time.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
On 4/30/2022 6:00 AM, AlyssonR wrote: Incidentally ... anyone know how to configure a Cisco/Adaptive Security Appliance/?
I am rather assuming that it isn't some kind of safety harness, after all.
With that kind of ignorance, I'm reluctant to ENABLE you.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Oh and do not forget the cost of data protection insurance, for when, not if, but when, all that could data is hacked.
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, Brandon wrote: The idea is it's a cost savings to not have to pay for servers and
floorspace and only pay for the compute you actually use.
Then it becomes "Well, it's a bit more expensive but I don't have to pay
for people dedicated to maintaining the infrastructure."
Then it ends up "I need to be able to make full control decisions for my
equipment, and [Cloud Company] doesn't let me, so we'll buy servers and
open a datacenter."
Government contracting follows the same swing between gov employees and
contractors.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tara Li <tara.li@...> wrote:
It is. You're paying someone else to pay for servers and floor space. Of
course, the concept is that when you're not using it, someone else is, but
...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:55 AM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...>
wrote:
that seems a bit nonsensical.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, Brandon wrote:
The idea behind it is you don't have to pay for servers and floorspace.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:27 AM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...
wrote:
I want a mug like that one!
Honestly, speaking personally, I cannot imagine what purpose cloud
computing actually has to the individual, other than allowing other
computers to do what you, or your office, or your company can better do on
their own.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, DaZZa wrote:
I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the
cloud"
dismays me.
I have a mug at work that reads
"There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies
seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US
citizens -
gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
DaZZa
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm SlickRCBD, <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote:
While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of
the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost
never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer
with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having
an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm
working
on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could
very
well loose all access to it.
That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances
on
the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in
to
the cloud server.
What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
(Ukraine anyone?).
I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud
that
I haven't listed as well.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
and that differs from cloud how?
someone else is using that too.
Reason why I called it nonsensical, is because one can store your own stuff in a draw, or on a shelf, with physical external drives.
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, Tara Li wrote: It is. You're paying someone else to pay for servers and floor space. Of
course, the concept is that when you're not using it, someone else is, but
...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:55 AM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...>
wrote:
that seems a bit nonsensical.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, Brandon wrote:
The idea behind it is you don't have to pay for servers and floorspace.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:27 AM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...>
wrote:
I want a mug like that one!
Honestly, speaking personally, I cannot imagine what purpose cloud
computing actually has to the individual, other than allowing other
computers to do what you, or your office, or your company can better do on
their own.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, DaZZa wrote:
I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the
cloud"
dismays me.
I have a mug at work that reads
"There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies
seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US
citizens -
gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
DaZZa
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm SlickRCBD, <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote:
While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of
the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer
with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm
working
on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could
very
well loose all access to it.
That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances
on
the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in
to
the cloud server.
What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
(Ukraine anyone?).
I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud
that
I haven't listed as well.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
The idea is it's a cost savings to not have to pay for servers and floorspace and only pay for the compute you actually use.
Then it becomes "Well, it's a bit more expensive but I don't have to pay for people dedicated to maintaining the infrastructure."
Then it ends up "I need to be able to make full control decisions for my equipment, and [Cloud Company] doesn't let me, so we'll buy servers and open a datacenter."
Government contracting follows the same swing between gov employees and contractors.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tara Li < tara.li@...> wrote: It is.? You're paying someone?else to pay for servers and floor space.? Of course, the concept is that when you're not using it, someone else is, but ...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:55 AM Karen Lewellen < klewellen@...> wrote: that seems a bit nonsensical.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, Brandon wrote:
> The idea behind it is you don't have to pay for servers and floorspace.
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:27 AM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I want a mug like that one!
>> Honestly, speaking personally, I cannot imagine what purpose cloud
>> computing actually has? to the individual, other than allowing other
>> computers to do what you, or your office, or your company can better do on
>> their own.
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>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, DaZZa wrote:
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>>> I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud"
>>> dismays me.
>>>
>>> I have a mug at work that reads
>>>
>>> "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
>>>
>>> I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government
>> agencies
>>> seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens -
>>> gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
>>>
>>> DaZZa
>>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm SlickRCBD, <slickrcbdalerts@...>
>> wrote:
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>>>> While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
>>>> only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
>>>> users.
>>>> Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
>>>> be your primary storage.
>>>> If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
>>>> other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
>>>> on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
>>>>
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>>>> On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
>>>>> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
>>>>> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
>>>>> well loose all access to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
>>>>> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
>>>>> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
>>>>> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up
>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
>>>>> the cloud server.
>>>>>
>>>>> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
>>>>> (Ukraine anyone?).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud
>> that
>>>>> I haven't listed as well.
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It is.? You're paying someone?else to pay for servers and floor space.? Of course, the concept is that when you're not using it, someone else is, but ...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:55 AM Karen Lewellen < klewellen@...> wrote: that seems a bit nonsensical.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, Brandon wrote:
> The idea behind it is you don't have to pay for servers and floorspace.
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:27 AM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I want a mug like that one!
>> Honestly, speaking personally, I cannot imagine what purpose cloud
>> computing actually has? to the individual, other than allowing other
>> computers to do what you, or your office, or your company can better do on
>> their own.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, DaZZa wrote:
>>
>>> I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud"
>>> dismays me.
>>>
>>> I have a mug at work that reads
>>>
>>> "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
>>>
>>> I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government
>> agencies
>>> seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens -
>>> gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
>>>
>>> DaZZa
>>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm SlickRCBD, <slickrcbdalerts@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
>>>> only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
>>>> users.
>>>> Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
>>>> be your primary storage.
>>>> If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
>>>> other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
>>>> on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
>>>>> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
>>>>> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
>>>>> well loose all access to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
>>>>> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
>>>>> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
>>>>> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up
>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
>>>>> the cloud server.
>>>>>
>>>>> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
>>>>> (Ukraine anyone?).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud
>> that
>>>>> I haven't listed as well.
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that seems a bit nonsensical.
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, Brandon wrote: The idea behind it is you don't have to pay for servers and floorspace.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:27 AM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@...>
wrote:
I want a mug like that one!
Honestly, speaking personally, I cannot imagine what purpose cloud
computing actually has to the individual, other than allowing other
computers to do what you, or your office, or your company can better do on
their own.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, DaZZa wrote:
I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud"
dismays me.
I have a mug at work that reads
"There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies
seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens -
gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
DaZZa
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm SlickRCBD, <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote:
While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
well loose all access to it.
That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
the cloud server.
What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
(Ukraine anyone?).
I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud
that
I haven't listed as well.
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Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
The idea behind it is you don't have to pay for servers and floorspace.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:27 AM Karen Lewellen < klewellen@...> wrote: I want a mug like that one!
Honestly, speaking personally, I cannot imagine what purpose cloud
computing actually has? to the individual, other than allowing other
computers to do what you, or your office, or your company can better do on
their own.
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, DaZZa wrote:
> I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud"
> dismays me.
>
> I have a mug at work that reads
>
> "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
>
> I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies
> seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens -
> gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
>
> DaZZa
>
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm SlickRCBD, <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote:
>
>> While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
>> only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
>> users.
>> Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
>> be your primary storage.
>> If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
>> other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
>> on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
>>> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>>>
>>> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
>>> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
>>> well loose all access to it.
>>>
>>> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>>>
>>> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
>>> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
>>> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
>>> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up
>> again.
>>>
>>> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
>>> the cloud server.
>>>
>>> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
>>> (Ukraine anyone?).
>>>
>>> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
>>> I haven't listed as well.
>>>
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I want a mug like that one!
Honestly, speaking personally, I cannot imagine what purpose cloud computing actually has to the individual, other than allowing other computers to do what you, or your office, or your company can better do on their own.
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, DaZZa wrote: I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud"
dismays me.
I have a mug at work that reads
"There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer"
I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies
seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens -
gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage.
DaZZa
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm SlickRCBD, <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote:
While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
well loose all access to it.
That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
the cloud server.
What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
(Ukraine anyone?).
I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
I haven't listed as well.
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Depending on how old the ASA is you MAY need a truly ancient?version of java to talk to it if you are trying to use a web browser (another thing I hate right there)??
Otherwise it does have a command line interface but BOY those commands are obscure.
Good Luck. My company is also being dragged kicking and screaming into the cloud.? THANK you MS (NOT)
Truthfully, I know *what* they are, and I am well aware of Cisco's reliance on
an operating system that makes Quantum Dynamics in Frenchian n-space read like Pratchett.
Maybe the previous owner's configuration is still on the device, and it can be
massaged and recompiled for my porpoises. It was cheap, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
The Cisco ASA is a firewall device.
They somewhat of a pain to setup, depending on how old they are. There are much more user friendly devices out there these days.
I've set up one or two in my day - but it's been years since I booted one up in anger.
DaZZa
Incidentally ... anyone know how to configure a Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance?
I am rather assuming that it isn't some kind of safety harness, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
There is no back door in Micro$oft operating systems ....
...... They just leave all the Windows open.
The Cloud? is not "someone else's computer" .... it is several someone else's computers!
As I said earlier, I just got a hold of a stack (literally) of older HP servers, and I'll be setting up my own cloud (which I'm going to term a Local Fog Bank).
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
Dazza, ? I assume that everything that leaves my PC is read by, at least, GCHQ and the NSA and I¡¯m in the UK. ? I have a hardware firewall appliance that will keep most stuff out, except for the back doors that I assume the NSA got Microsoft to put into Windows. ? Mark ? ? I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me. I have a mug at work that reads? "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer" I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage. ? While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>
> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
> well loose all access to it.
>
> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>
> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
>
> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
> the cloud server.
>
> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
> (Ukraine anyone?).
>
> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
> I haven't listed as well.
>
|
Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of AlyssonR
Sent: 30 April 2022 13:13
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic #ficsearch)? Truthfully, I know *what* they are, and I am well aware of Cisco's reliance on an operating system that makes Quantum Dynamics in Frenchian n-space Maybe the previous owner's configuration is still on the device, and it can be massaged and recompiled for my porpoises. It was cheap, after all. Alysson Rowan
LinkedIn:?????? ? ? The Cisco ASA is a firewall device. They somewhat of a pain to setup, depending on how old they are. There are much more user friendly devices out there these days. I've set up one or two in my day - but it's been years since I booted one up in anger. ? Incidentally ... anyone know how to configure a Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance? I am rather assuming that it isn't some kind of safety harness, after all. Alysson Rowan
LinkedIn:?????? ? ? There is no back door in Micro$oft operating systems .... ...... They just leave all the Windows open. The Cloud? is not "someone else's computer" .... it is several someone else's computers! As I said earlier, I just got a hold of a stack (literally) of older HP servers, and I'll be setting up my own cloud (which I'm going to term a Local Fog Bank). Alysson Rowan
LinkedIn:?????? ? ? Dazza, ? I assume that everything that leaves my PC is read by, at least, GCHQ and the NSA and I¡¯m in the UK. ? I have a hardware firewall appliance that will keep most stuff out, except for the back doors that I assume the NSA got Microsoft to put into Windows. ? Mark ? ? I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me. I have a mug at work that reads? "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer" I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage. ? While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>
> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
> well loose all access to it.
>
> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>
> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
>
> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
> the cloud server.
>
> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
> (Ukraine anyone?).
>
> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
> I haven't listed as well.
>
|
Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Truthfully, I know *what* they are, and I am well aware of Cisco's reliance on
an operating system that makes Quantum Dynamics in Frenchian n-space read like Pratchett.
Maybe the previous owner's configuration is still on the device, and it can be
massaged and recompiled for my porpoises. It was cheap, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
The Cisco ASA is a firewall device.
They somewhat of a pain to setup, depending on how old they are. There are much more user friendly devices out there these days.
I've set up one or two in my day - but it's been years since I booted one up in anger.
DaZZa
Incidentally ... anyone know how to configure a Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance?
I am rather assuming that it isn't some kind of safety harness, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
There is no back door in Micro$oft operating systems ....
...... They just leave all the Windows open.
The Cloud? is not "someone else's computer" .... it is several someone else's computers!
As I said earlier, I just got a hold of a stack (literally) of older HP servers, and I'll be setting up my own cloud (which I'm going to term a Local Fog Bank).
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
Dazza, ? I assume that everything that leaves my PC is read by, at least, GCHQ and the NSA and I¡¯m in the UK. ? I have a hardware firewall appliance that will keep most stuff out, except for the back doors that I assume the NSA got Microsoft to put into Windows. ? Mark ? ? I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me. I have a mug at work that reads? "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer" I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage. ? While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>
> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
> well loose all access to it.
>
> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>
> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
>
> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
> the cloud server.
>
> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
> (Ukraine anyone?).
>
> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
> I haven't listed as well.
>
|
Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
The Cisco ASA is a firewall device.
They somewhat of a pain to setup, depending on how old they are. There are much more user friendly devices out there these days.
I've set up one or two in my day - but it's been years since I booted one up in anger.
DaZZa
Incidentally ... anyone know how to configure a Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance?
I am rather assuming that it isn't some kind of safety harness, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
There is no back door in Micro$oft operating systems ....
...... They just leave all the Windows open.
The Cloud? is not "someone else's computer" .... it is several someone else's computers!
As I said earlier, I just got a hold of a stack (literally) of older HP servers, and I'll be setting up my own cloud (which I'm going to term a Local Fog Bank).
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
Dazza, ? I assume that everything that leaves my PC is read by, at least, GCHQ and the NSA and I¡¯m in the UK. ? I have a hardware firewall appliance that will keep most stuff out, except for the back doors that I assume the NSA got Microsoft to put into Windows. ? Mark ? ? I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me. I have a mug at work that reads? "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer" I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage. ? While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>
> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
> well loose all access to it.
>
> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>
> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
>
> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
> the cloud server.
>
> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
> (Ukraine anyone?).
>
> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
> I haven't listed as well.
>
|
Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Incidentally ... anyone know how to configure a Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance?
I am rather assuming that it isn't some kind of safety harness, after all.
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
There is no back door in Micro$oft operating systems ....
...... They just leave all the Windows open.
The Cloud? is not "someone else's computer" .... it is several someone else's computers!
As I said earlier, I just got a hold of a stack (literally) of older HP servers, and I'll be setting up my own cloud (which I'm going to term a Local Fog Bank).
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
Dazza, ? I assume that everything that leaves my PC is read by, at least, GCHQ and the NSA and I¡¯m in the UK. ? I have a hardware firewall appliance that will keep most stuff out, except for the back doors that I assume the NSA got Microsoft to put into Windows. ? Mark ? ? I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me. I have a mug at work that reads? "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer" I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage. ? While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>
> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
> well loose all access to it.
>
> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>
> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
>
> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
> the cloud server.
>
> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
> (Ukraine anyone?).
>
> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
> I haven't listed as well.
>
|
Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
There is no back door in Micro$oft operating systems ....
...... They just leave all the Windows open.
The Cloud? is not "someone else's computer" .... it is several someone else's computers!
As I said earlier, I just got a hold of a stack (literally) of older HP servers, and I'll be setting up my own cloud (which I'm going to term a Local Fog Bank).
Alysson RowanLinkedIn:?????? Academia:??? Project Blog: YouTube:??????
Dazza, ? I assume that everything that leaves my PC is read by, at least, GCHQ and the NSA and I¡¯m in the UK. ? I have a hardware firewall appliance that will keep most stuff out, except for the back doors that I assume the NSA got Microsoft to put into Windows. ? Mark ? ? I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me. I have a mug at work that reads? "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer" I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage. ? While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>
> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
> well loose all access to it.
>
> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>
> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
>
> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
> the cloud server.
>
> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
> (Ukraine anyone?).
>
> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
> I haven't listed as well.
>
|
Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic
Dazza, ? I assume that everything that leaves my PC is read by, at least, GCHQ and the NSA and I¡¯m in the UK. ? I have a hardware firewall appliance that will keep most stuff out, except for the back doors that I assume the NSA got Microsoft to put into Windows. ? Mark ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of DaZZa
Sent: 30 April 2022 08:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Cloud computing (was Re: [Snorkack] Help with finding a Fic #ficsearch)? I've been in IT for 35 years, and the increase in reliance on "the cloud" dismays me. I have a mug at work that reads? "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer" I'm also not in the US - and the complete disregard US government agencies seem to take with other people's data - even if they're not US citizens - gives me very little trust in the sovereignty of cloud data storage. ? While it has its usage, I think the way Cloud Storage is being pushed
only benefits the companies that are pushing it, to the detriment of the
users.
Yes, it has its uses, as a backup location, but it should almost never
be your primary storage.
If it is your primary storage, such as somebody sharing a computer with
other people, there should be a backup somewhere more local. Having an
on-site server your company owned would be far smarter.
On 4/29/2022 9:55 PM, Icemanau wrote:
> My biggest concern with the Cloud is location.
>
> I'm in Aus and if the cloud servers are in the US, and what I'm working
> on is considered to be against the export laws of the US, I could very
> well loose all access to it.
>
> That's on top of all the other problems l can see.
>
> If you are working from the cloud and your internet goes down due to
> some idiot digging up the cables, your screwed until they get fixed.
> Tasmania had this happen. Both cables got cut in separate instances on
> the same day. End result, Tassie basically shut down until it was up again.
>
> Ease of access for anyone and everyone with the know how to hack in to
> the cloud server.
>
> What happens if the server location is taken over by hostile forces
> (Ukraine anyone?).
>
> I'm sure that there are lots of other problems with using the cloud that
> I haven't listed as well.
>
|
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