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Haggin Yard Detail 1
Friends, Here is the view to the left of caboose 1614. You can see several small buildings in the distance, one of which seems to be a shed built onto a slope. To its right is a nicely painted structure that might have been a yard office (it looks to be about the size of the HO Atlas yard shack that has been in production since the 1960s). Another shed is further to the right. What is really neat about this photo is the WP stock car. There is not enough detail to tell which class of stock car this is, but the large letter boards suggest the PC&F-built series 75501-75695 built in 1924/1925. These were clones of the SP's S-40-8 design. Some WP GS gondolas round out the scene. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? |
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SN Caboose 1614
Friends, Today while going through my print collection I noticed the attached photo of SN caboose 1614 had never been scanned. It was too good not to share. The photo is unattributed and undated, but I suggest it was taken around 1938 or 1939. This is based solely on the steps, which other photos in my collection show were painted aluminum/silver by 1940. The location is Haggin Yard, which was just north of Sacramento. According to various vague sources, this car was a former SP transfer car built used on trains loaded onto the Port Costa ferries.?Oakland, Antioch & Eastern bought three such 21-foot cabooses in 1913.?This particular car was OA&E?53, and may originally been a 4-wheel bobber like sister?OA&E?51. It lasted until 1946. The details?in the yard will be examined on separate posts, as three photos would be too much for my pokey DSL line. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? |
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SNRY Caboose 1605
Friends, Hot off the scanner! I was checking my print collection and found this unattributed photo of SN caboose 1605. It was taken at 40th & Shafter, probably in 1936. There is a processor's date on the back of May 23, 1936, but of course it might have been in a camera undeveloped for some time. The car was built by the Northern Electric Railway in 1917 at the Mulberry shops as their 623. When the NERY became SNRR, the car was renumbered 605 in 1920, then 1605 in 1921. It kept the same number under SNRY ownership, and was finally retired in 1948. SNRR 605 set the pattern for two nearly identical cars built by Pacific Car & Foundry in 1920. I don't know if these two cabooses were initially?numbered 606 and 607, or if they were delivered as 1606 and 1607. SNRY 1606 was also retired in 1948, and 1607 in 1954. Two more similar cabooses were built by the SNRY itself in 1928, numbered 1610 and 1611. Their main difference was a wider cupola that eliminated the side walkways of the earlier cars. Both were retired in 1956. SNRY 1611 was sold to Hal Wilmunder and used as a crew bunk (probably grounded) at his narrow gauge Camino, Cable & Northern project. When that failed, it is said to have become a vacation cabin near Placerville. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? |
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Re: 147 at Yuba City
Bill, I've been trying to put a date on the 147 photo. According to Joseph Strapac's roster, 147 was leased from the San Francisco & Napa Valley in 8/56. In his text he says it operated for the SN wearing Napa Valley black. The loco was purchased 8/15/57, after which we may presume it was finally painted in full Zephyr colors with all the stripes, per your photo. It couldn't be later than April 1965 since there is a GE motor in the photo. I apparently was wrong about the gumball lights. I can't find a single photo showing 147 with one. I have a photo dated 1969 by Jim Shaw which shows this locomotive in a front view, and it has no gumball light. The post-1970 photo in Strapac's book showing 147 as an Anaconda hanger queen does not show a gumball either. I must conclude that both 142 and 147 lacked this feature. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 5:48 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via <mallardlodge1000=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: 147 at Yuba City
Bill, Interesting photo. Any date? I've never seen a shot of 147 in Yuba City. It is best known as working around Pittsburgh in later years.? SN's 44-tonners moved around a lot, and few seem to have had fixed abodes. 141 and 147, being different from the rest, are a bit easier to spot when they hung around in one place. The only actual restriction I have ever heard of was that 142 was not allowed in Chico from around 1963 because it was the only 44-tonner without a "gumball" roof beacon. Chico required the beacons on all locomotives operating over their city streets. SN 141 never received a roof beacon either, but it was gone long before the city passed this ordinance. Perhaps someone here knows why 142 was different? Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:07 AM Bill Shippen <pitstopharold@...> wrote: Recently purchased negative . |
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Re: SN Images
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI am a bit younger but fascinated by
the SN.? My only real experience was watching the 44 tonners often
double headed from the grounds of Will C. Wood High School,
Vacaville.? It was about 1969 and they would often be transiting
to the Basic Onion Dehydrator while I had lunch as a Freshman at
the high school.? Even rarer was seeing a train on the Esparto
branch.
Later while home on leave I would
frequently catch the same train but this time with a GP9.
Regards,
Ken Harstine
On 5/10/2022 8:46 PM, Chris Bekiaris
via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Check out this SACRAMENTO NORTHERN SN WP GE 44-TON 146 & 145 @ CHICAGO in 1970 ORIGINAL SLIDE on eBay!
Thanks Bill, personally I knew that this wasn¡¯t Chicago nor Port Chicago. Thank you for clearing it up On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 16:42 Bill Shippen <pitstopharold@...> wrote: Folks... this is not Port Chicago.? Taken at Mulberry please note the microwave tower, the edge of the motor car shed, and the substation shed. Also note the PG&E substation once used by NECo and still in use today.? The RV was used for overnight stays for those crewmembers which didn't want to stay at the Chico Motel. ~Bill? --
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Re: Check out this SACRAMENTO NORTHERN SN WP GE 44-TON 146 & 145 @ CHICAGO in 1970 ORIGINAL SLIDE on eBay!
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 06:41 PM, Bill Shippen wrote:
Folks... this is not Port Chicago.? Taken at Mulberry please note the microwave tower, the edge of the motor car shed, and the substation shed. Also note the PG&E substation once used by NECo and still in use today.? The RV was used for overnight stays for those crewmembers which didn't want to stay at the Chico Motel. ~Bill? ? |
Ken Harstine
David Epling