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Pics along right of way
I noticed at least one picture didn¡¯t go through when I sent it from Canada. ?Here are some more along with the failed picture of service stations in front of the Tower Bridge.? If a person was modeling the early Seventies you could model the Flamingo Motel next to the Sacramento Northern since it is closer to the railroad?anyway (using the Walthers Sunset Motel and cut off the table¡¯s edge right?where Hotel El Rancho would be) There is a website that shows the old neon sign for it before West Sac made everyone take them down. Even though my El Rancho?Hotel model is basically earlier than this newer postcard?below?with car awnings added and mine doesn¡¯t?have the addition on the back of the building, I saved graphics for the newer neon sign and the older wooden sign depending on what train was nearby. There is a YouTube video on how to backlite a transparent?N-Scale sign without spending $1500-2000 to custom make a neon sign |
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Re: W Sac
I think if you look at Bryte architecture?on Google maps street view?today, some of the early homes would have been scattered along the 1890¡¯s grid that was laid. ?The area along West Capitol was just fields around Hotel El Rancho around 1950 aerial maps but until1968?according to a real estate website that listed the build date for the?address?for the?Flamingo Hotel across the street, but I wasn¡¯t sure I trusted that date, seemed late. I would leave off the other hotels even if running early 70¡¯s trains since space on a layout is limited. I have a Z-Scale windmill that arrived in the mail?for the tower on Hotel El Rancho to install, and I haven¡¯t finished details like hotel?signs on a color printer?and porch columns.?Probably to?the west of El Rancho a very?considerable distance there was once an airport along what became?West Capitol. That would be too distant to model maybe and my cropdusters in N-Scale usually would land in a farmer¡¯s field to reload seed or fuel.??It is pretty easy to place a?backdrop to the East of?Jefferson Boulevard with a few details, trees,?photos of actual buildings ?below is Hotel El Rancho in 1950, the deep water channel early after it was built, West Capitol I think in the 1950¡¯s, and the Broderick Station during the Interurban era ?
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On Wednesday, April 16, 2025, 8:02 PM, Philip Schmierer via groups.io <dunsmuirpap@...> wrote:
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Well, how big was it?? I'm wondering if Sanborn had a size cut-off for maps and West Sac wasn't big enough ? On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 4:56?PM Justin Rowe via <justingrowe=[email protected]> wrote:
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How old is West Sacramento ?? What was out there back in the 1920s-30s-40s? ? Sandborn may not have mapped it because it was farmland /swamp...... San Francisco Public Library on Market street has a huge collection of Sandborn Maps. A friend of mine and I used that collection to map out the old Western Pacific tracks on the SF Peninsula.? I don't know to what extent the SF Library Sandborn Maps cover. On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 2:23?AM Justin Rowe via <justingrowe=[email protected]> wrote:
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Awesome stuff. I was focused on Jefferson Boulevard around the main line with trees and a drop off behind to the east?along with the top of the bridge. The aerial from 1950 shows almost nothing there but fields but modeling 1952-54 I can use creativity for ?more that is there today. I originally?searched all three West Sac cities, Broderick, Washington, and bryte?but found nothing. I tried contacting the W Sac Historical Museum but never got a response. I also asked them for some pics of buildings, Hotel El Rancho which I modeled in a more original form from the 40¡¯s-50¡¯s?from a postcard?and El Rancho Bowl Best regards Justin On Wednesday, April 16, 2025, 11:18 AM, James Dolan via groups.io <dolan@...> wrote:
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Justin, The Sanborn Maps did not cover every town and city. Also, large industries on the Yolo side of the river might be included as "specials", insets added to the Sacramento maps. You might also look under "Broderick", which what part of West Sac was known as. The other problem is that after 1910 Sanborn did not cover electric "trolley" lines, except possibly for their depots and and shops. Tracks were ignored, and only property boundaries are?usually included, even after the railroads dieselized.? Yes, it is very frustrating. You would be better off locating volumes from the "Port Series", books by the Army Corps of Engineers produced for the War Department, and later for the Department of Defence. These usually include track arrangement maps, though perhaps not as detailed as I like, and also have textual notes on rail services. These were updated every 3-4 years, and you need the volumes that cover the Ports of?Sacramento and Stockton (same volumes, but the titles vary). Your best bet would be the California State Library and Archives (I found them at UVA in the Government Documents section when I worked in their library). If you are interested only in Sacramento, see if you can find PRELIMINARY REPORT ON MODIFICATIONS TO RAILROAD OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES, SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA, dated November 1956 by De Leu, Cather & Company, Engineers, San Francisco. This was a study on removing or streamlining railroads through Sacramento to ease street congestion and improve auto safety. Some of this actually happened. Other parts didn't, like the idea of elevating the WP mainline. There are detailed track maps here, as well as text notes on operations. Nothing on Yolo county though. I found this in the California State Library, and paid for a photocopy. I don't know where I found the attached map (possibly one of the Port books), but it might be of use to you. And no, I can't read all of my own writing.? From the I-50 bridge being under construction, I believe it dates from the late 1950s. Yours Aye, Garth On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 5:23?AM Justin Rowe via <justingrowe=[email protected]> wrote:
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Friends, While searching online I encountered a set of six photos taken by the McCurry Company of the then-new M-Street Bridge in Sacramento (from the California?State Library and Archives). Photo #6 showed a construction train headed by NE 1, apparently on the new grade that joined the NE to the OA&E. A two-car electric train is inbound from Woodland at the extreme right. The photo I have attached is a detailed shot from the much larger original. It is one of the best views I have seen of an NE steam locomotive. As a bonus, the flat car behind the tender is NE 1160. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ???????? (Scotland Forever!) |
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Re: Diggins article on the Sacramento Northern in Chico
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Many Thanks!?
I'm forwarding the article?to my daughter in Chico...
Next trip up to Chico to see the grandkids I think I need to do?a bit of?urban archeology... following the maps!
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Attached is my Grandfather's version of the carbarn photo on page 5...
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At 03:15 AM 1/7/2025 +0000, Justin Rowe via groups.io wrote:
With my regards, I send you a 20 page article on the Sacramento?Northern Depot and operations in Chico courtesy of the?Chico State Library. It even has a picture.of the substation and a map of the track and layout of the yard. ?You can see the details of the inside of Mulberry Shops while derelict.? |
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Re: Diggins article on the Sacramento Northern in Chico
What a find !!!!! Thanks for sharing ! Phil On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 7:15?PM Justin Rowe via <justingrowe=[email protected]> wrote:
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