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Re: CCT #6
Bill and Friends, Bill, you snagged another rarity! It is CCT 6, before their motors received pantographs. CCT 6 was a home-built motor from 1921. It became caboose 17 in 1946, and its electrical gear was sold to the Key System. Retired in 1953, scrapped 1955. This motor is found in Dave Stanley and Jeff Moreau's CENTRAL CALIFORNIA TRACTION COMPANY (Signature Press, 2002). A photo on page 116 matches the details of Bill's photo perfectly. Its history is summarized on page 355. Note the curved supports for the under-running 3rd rail. ANE/SN never used this sort of support as their?3rd rail was top-running. Details are shown in the Stanley book on page 55. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 11:07?PM Bill Shippen <pitstopharold@...> wrote: A friend has this listed as SN, however this isn't NE or SN third-rail and no company associated with SN had a box motor #6. I'm thinking this might be CCT #6 however I'm not versed in matters of the Traction. CCT motors were leased by OA/OA&E and maybe NE/SNRR (?) so I'm at a loss on this one. Comments welcome.? ~Bill Shippen? |
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Re: CCT #6
It¡¯s not 6. CCT freight motors had pantographs. They didn¡¯t have trolley poles. At least in the photos I¡¯ve seen. David Epling On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 20:07 Bill Shippen <pitstopharold@...> wrote: A friend has this listed as SN, however this isn't NE or SN third-rail and no company associated with SN had a box motor #6. I'm thinking this might be CCT #6 however I'm not versed in matters of the Traction. CCT motors were leased by OA/OA&E and maybe NE/SNRR (?) so I'm at a loss on this one. Comments welcome.? ~Bill Shippen? --
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CCT #6
A friend has this listed as SN, however this isn't NE or SN third-rail and no company associated with SN had a box motor #6. I'm thinking this might be CCT #6 however I'm not versed in matters of the Traction. CCT motors were leased by OA/OA&E and maybe NE/SNRR (?) so I'm at a loss on this one. Comments welcome.? ~Bill Shippen?
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Re: San Ramon Branch SP
The two books on the Sacramento Northern and SP Sam Ramon Branches might still be available at the Danville Depot of the San Ramon Valley Historical Society in Danville. ???? I have them both. --Jim Baker _______________________________
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:48:45 PM PDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Justin and Friends, Yes, though how much traffic, I don't know. The SN crossed the SP branch at Las Juntas. Attached is a plan that Bob Campbell drew for me, which explains the layout as it was up into the 1950s. I think Bob told me some gravel from the Kaiser Plant at Radium near Sunol was interchanged here, but I would have to . . . uh . . . dig through several binders of correspondence to confirm that. Possibly the reefers Bob mentions on the diagram at Sparkle siding might also have been interchanged. They would have almost always been PFE cars (and probably only rarely, if ever, those few PFE reefers with WP lettering--don't fall into that trap!). My Western Pacific Circular?167-E of 1957 mentions Las Juntas as an interchange point, but has no further information, and nothing on Sparkle. The SN "station" was a small shed with a flat roof, more of a tool shed (or a piggery) than a proper station. It was very different from the attractive little shelters that were common on the South End. I have a Will Whittaker photo if you need it.?I don't know if there was ever an SP station building at the junction. Bob would certainly have drawn it had there been one in the 1940s and later. I seem to recall there was a book on the SP San Ramon branch, but I don't recall its title or author. I'm sure it is out of print, but if someone here can cite the title and author, you could probably borrow a copy through interlibrary loan via your local public library. I would not be surprised if there is a copy in the CSRM library that you could consult. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 7:54?AM Justin Rowe via <justingrowe=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: San Ramon Branch SP
Justin and Friends, Yes, though how much traffic, I don't know. The SN crossed the SP branch at Las Juntas. Attached is a plan that Bob Campbell drew for me, which explains the layout as it was up into the 1950s. I think Bob told me some gravel from the Kaiser Plant at Radium near Sunol was interchanged here, but I would have to . . . uh . . . dig through several binders of correspondence to confirm that. Possibly the reefers Bob mentions on the diagram at Sparkle siding might also have been interchanged. They would have almost always been PFE cars (and probably only rarely, if ever, those few PFE reefers with WP lettering--don't fall into that trap!). My Western Pacific Circular?167-E of 1957 mentions Las Juntas as an interchange point, but has no further information, and nothing on Sparkle. The SN "station" was a small shed with a flat roof, more of a tool shed (or a piggery) than a proper station. It was very different from the attractive little shelters that were common on the South End. I have a Will Whittaker photo if you need it.?I don't know if there was ever an SP station building at the junction. Bob would certainly have drawn it had there been one in the 1940s and later. I seem to recall there was a book on the SP San Ramon branch, but I don't recall its title or author. I'm sure it is out of print, but if someone here can cite the title and author, you could probably borrow a copy through interlibrary loan via your local public library. I would not be surprised if there is a copy in the CSRM library that you could consult. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ?? On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 7:54?AM Justin Rowe via <justingrowe=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: PG & E Birney update
Mike, An excellent model. May I point out that the trucks are plain bearing, and the anti-climbers are the standard Birney design. Your model matches 62-68, the ex-San Diego cars acquired in 1923 and 1925. SNRR 60 and 62 had rolling bearing trucks with round journal caps, but were otherwise identical. SNRY 69 and 70 were ex-San Jose cars delivered in 1936 and had plain bearing trucks, but had so-called "Ubangi-lip" anti-climbers. Before anyone asks, I don't know for sure when the SN painted the cars in the cream and blue scheme. SNRR 60 and 61 were delivered in Pullman green with gold lettering in 1918 (as is SN 62 today). According to Swett's?Cars of Sacramento Northern?page 34, the San Diego cars also wore this scheme. The two San Jose cars apparently were repainted cream-and-blue when delivered in 1936. There may be datable photos or shop records in the WRM collection that might settle this, or at least narrow down the timeframe. I have never seen in-service photos of any SN Birneys in anything but the cream-and-blue from the railfan era. Yours Aye, Garth Groff ? On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 7:42?PM michael.starkey via <michael.starkey=[email protected]> wrote: I¡¯ve been slowly making progress. Here are a couple pictures... almost ready to paint. |
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