I have one of these and it is hard to decide if I would one day scratch build a swing bridge like at Dutton, a double drawbridge like the primitive wooden one further up toward Sacramento, or if they had one of these? It would be so much easier to use one ready made from Pola.
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Re: Rio Vista Junction Limited: Southern Pacific And Sacramento Northern Exc...
Thanks for sharing. I really enjoyed this footage.
Dan Lee San Jose, CA
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On 11/17/2020 8:30 AM Justin Rowe via groups.io <justingrowe@...> wrote:
Not one to go on Facebook, maybe this is on there, but as I watch it there are sure to be images of the SN long missed. Some new content I hadn¡¯t seen.
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Re: Walnut Creek Research
Justin and Friends,
Would Bob Campbell's map help?
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:37 AM Justin Rowe via <justingrowe= [email protected]> wrote:
Someone wanted to see Walnut Creek in 1950. This would be where to find an aerial view. There are a couple stills from the YouTube Video on the SN I am sending too.?
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Rio Vista Junction Limited: Southern Pacific And Sacramento Northern Exc...
Not one to go on Facebook, maybe this is on there, but as I watch it there are sure to be images of the SN long missed. Some new content I hadn¡¯t seen.
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New SF Transbay Terminal-Old Sacramento-Northern RR Memories
Someone on this list probably made this, but it goes well here.
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I am not sure how to upload photos for the group. Here are some stills of Walnut Creek from an SN engineer¡¯s view. Hopefully photos stay attached
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SN: Sacramento Northern Railway Oral History and Pictures from a former ...
About 11:04 Walnut Creek begins
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Someone wanted to see Walnut Creek in 1950. This would be where to find an aerial view. There are a couple stills from the YouTube Video on the SN I am sending too.?
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On Bridgehunter.com some of the Sacramento Northern drawbridges are just grainy dark antique images or drawings. Are there better vintage images of either the SN drawbridges or the WP ones? They may have been on the old list, but most things were lost.?
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Re: Oakland to SF Journey Late 1800s
Hi Ken,? I forgot to say that my friend was asking about using the trains. If you or anyone in our group has access to timetables, I would suggest a year close to 1890.
Thanks!
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Re: Oakland to SF Journey Late 1800s
Hi,
It would be a long hike around the
south.? I think it would be fair to assume 3-4mpH by foot or
horse.? Then just calculate how long to Santa Clara and then how
long to cover the El Camino back up to San Francisco.
Otherwise it is highly dependent on the
exact date and the state of the railroad infrastructure at that
time.
Ken Harstine
On 11/7/2020 12:05 PM, George Pepper
via groups.io wrote:
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Hello Members,
I have an inquiry from a local historian that I hope someone can
answer for him. "Is there a rough number of hours/days for how
long it would have taken to get from Oakland to San Francisco in
the mid-late-1800s if not using a ferry? In
other words, by land going south and then back north?"
Thank you for any help.
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Oakland to SF Journey Late 1800s
Hello Members,
I have an inquiry from a local historian that I hope someone can answer for him. "Is there a rough number of hours/days for how long it would have taken to get from Oakland to San Francisco in the mid-late-1800s if not using a ferry? In other words, by land going south and then back north?"
Thank you for any help.
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Re: Added new pictures of Yuba City Yard
Dave and Randy,
All the SN power bounced around a lot in the late 1970s and early 1980 before the yellow plague descended. Attached is a view of 712 working South Sacramento on the WP. I've lost the?date for this, but I left California on New Year's day 1982, so I think this was shot around 1981 on one of my last WP/SN expeditions.?
The view of 607 at Stockton is dated March 1981, and was probably shot in February. Stockton was pretty much home to 607 in her last years, joining a clutch of SW-9s that worked the yard. South Sacramento was usually worked by GP-9s or GP-7s in the last years. At least those are what I saw and photographed, but what we shoot can be highly subjective.?
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
Interesting contrast between views 2 and 3 of 711, 2 has 711 in PG and 3 has 711 in NI
Greetings SN fans,
I have uploaded some images of the SN yard from July 77 and one from Aug 82.
Nothing earth shattering, but they offer a good view of units assigned to the yard and might be beneficial to any modelers interested in the WP-SN ops.
As late as Aug 1982, both SN geeps were holding down assignments at Yuba City. This may have been the last time that they were assigned to the same area. The 712 bounced around Milpitas ans Stockton post merger. The 711 worked Portola and was sent east to Omaha to become yellow and was mechanically destroyed on its way back to Salt Lake after being repainted.
Randy Curlin
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David Epling Nevada Pacific Custom Model Trains & Repair Stockton CA
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Re: Added new pictures of Yuba City Yard
Interesting contrast between views 2 and 3 of 711, 2 has 711 in PG and 3 has 711 in NI
Greetings SN fans,
I have uploaded some images of the SN yard from July 77 and one from Aug 82.
Nothing earth shattering, but they offer a good view of units assigned to the yard and might be beneficial to any modelers interested in the WP-SN ops.
As late as Aug 1982, both SN geeps were holding down assignments at Yuba City. This may have been the last time that they were assigned to the same area. The 712 bounced around Milpitas ans Stockton post merger. The 711 worked Portola and was sent east to Omaha to become yellow and was mechanically destroyed on its way back to Salt Lake after being repainted.
Randy Curlin
-- David Epling Nevada Pacific Custom Model Trains & Repair Stockton CA
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Added new pictures of Yuba City Yard
Greetings SN fans,
I have uploaded some images of the SN yard from July 77 and one from Aug 82.
Nothing earth shattering, but they offer a good view of units assigned to the yard and might be beneficial to any modelers interested in the WP-SN ops.
As late as Aug 1982, both SN geeps were holding down assignments at Yuba City. This may have been the last time that they were assigned to the same area. The 712 bounced around Milpitas ans Stockton post merger. The 711 worked Portola and was sent east to Omaha to become yellow and was mechanically destroyed on its way back to Salt Lake after being repainted.
Randy Curlin
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Re: Marysville depot on Mike's O Scale layout.
If you click on ¡°Chris Allan¡± below that video he has other O-Scale WP videos that are really good.?
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Marysville depot on Mike's O Scale layout.
Somebody on this list probably has a 3D printer. I am surprised nobody has taken the plans for the Yuba City Depot, Stockton, or the Sacramento Depot found in the Western Pacific Passenger Depots book by Stephen Hayes and offered a kit, even if someone had to buy stock Spanish tile roof material separately and cut it. What a great way to start a layout.
Justin
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Re: New Fruit Industry Modelers Group
Great photos, Ken. Thanks for sharing.?
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On Aug 28, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Ken Harstine <kharstin@...> wrote:
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Yup.? I think we just called it the
Basic Onion Dehydrator.? We always figured that the plant made
good business for the burger joints that opened on the south end
of Monte Vista on what we called Hamburger Hill.? Much more
pleasant then the smell you got as you passed through the
refineries up by the straight.
The onion plant was the sole reason for
the local that SN ran up through the 70s.? Below is a link to my
photos of that local that I took while home on leave from the
Navy.
It was operational in 78 which is the
last time I got photos.
Best,
Ken Harstine
On 8/28/2020 6:40 PM, Garth Groff and
Sally Sanford wrote:
Ken,
There used to be a really odiferous onion packing plant in
Vacaville that our family could smell as we drove to San
Francisco on US?40. It was served by the SN. I don't remember
what the plant was called (my copy of WP Circular 167-E
suggests Basic Vegetable Products Co., which was a drier
plant). To our family it was "Bud's Onion Factory" because my
father's ne'er-do-well brother Vernon (aka "Bud") had worked
there one harvest season. I think the building was torn down
in the 1970s.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:33
PM Ken Harstine < kharstin@...> wrote:
Great,
I took photos of Winters as the district was being
razed.? I regret that I did not document the SN sheds that
were still extent on the Fairfield branch of the SN back
in the 70s when I had the chance.? I think one of the
sheds that is adjacent to I80 has been repurposed but I
think the rest were removed.
No to mention of course the remains of the SN sheds in
Vacaville where I was that were also still existent at
that time.
Best,
Ken
On 8/28/2020 4:22 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
wrote:
Ken,
I've been with the Real Steam Era Freight Car group
on io since the Yahoo shutdown. There are some quirks
and disadvantages, but in general I like the io
format. I am also in the SN and WP groups here, but
there has rarely been an SN post, and I can't remember
EVER seeing a WP post. (Sigh!). Both of those went
over to FB.
I have some photos of the Yuba City packing sheds
taken just after abandonment which I would be happy to
share on this group once it gets going. There are a
few shots in the Whittaker and Jenkins SN negatives
that I can make available as well. Will the group
extend to nut packers? There were several of these on
the SN, as well as at least two tomato canneries.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020
at 11:40 AM Ken Harstine < kharstin@...>
wrote:
Thanks Garth,
The only advantage to Facebook was the ability
to post images.? And with that is not
really a problem.? I know there has been some
controversy but I think the option of only getting
links to images should be adequate for those on
limited bandwidth lines.
Also of course you can look at past stuff on and that
does not work well on Facebook.? Lots of reasons
why I too prefer this to Facebook.
Best,
Ken Harstine
On 8/27/2020 6:21 PM, Garth Groff and Sally
Sanford wrote:
Ken,
I just logged in. Thanks for not going to
Facebook with this group. I understand that's
where all the SN and WP guys went when the
Yahoo groups were trashed. For personal and
practical reasons, my sweetheart and I agreed
not ever be on FB.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Thu, Aug
27, 2020 at 2:02 PM Ken Harstine < kharstin@...>
wrote:
Hi,
I have created a group to facilitate the
sharing of information related to the railroad
served fruit and vegetable industry in North
America.? My particular interests are
California and specifically SN and SP related
industry.
Please join if you are interested:
/g/RailroadFruitIndustryModelers
Ken Harstine
Holyoke, MA
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Yup.? I think we just called it the
Basic Onion Dehydrator.? We always figured that the plant made
good business for the burger joints that opened on the south end
of Monte Vista on what we called Hamburger Hill.? Much more
pleasant then the smell you got as you passed through the
refineries up by the straight.
The onion plant was the sole reason for
the local that SN ran up through the 70s.? Below is a link to my
photos of that local that I took while home on leave from the
Navy.
It was operational in 78 which is the
last time I got photos.
Best,
Ken Harstine
On 8/28/2020 6:40 PM, Garth Groff and
Sally Sanford wrote:
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Ken,
There used to be a really odiferous onion packing plant in
Vacaville that our family could smell as we drove to San
Francisco on US?40. It was served by the SN. I don't remember
what the plant was called (my copy of WP Circular 167-E
suggests Basic Vegetable Products Co., which was a drier
plant). To our family it was "Bud's Onion Factory" because my
father's ne'er-do-well brother Vernon (aka "Bud") had worked
there one harvest season. I think the building was torn down
in the 1970s.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:33
PM Ken Harstine < kharstin@...> wrote:
Great,
I took photos of Winters as the district was being
razed.? I regret that I did not document the SN sheds that
were still extent on the Fairfield branch of the SN back
in the 70s when I had the chance.? I think one of the
sheds that is adjacent to I80 has been repurposed but I
think the rest were removed.
No to mention of course the remains of the SN sheds in
Vacaville where I was that were also still existent at
that time.
Best,
Ken
On 8/28/2020 4:22 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
wrote:
Ken,
I've been with the Real Steam Era Freight Car group
on io since the Yahoo shutdown. There are some quirks
and disadvantages, but in general I like the io
format. I am also in the SN and WP groups here, but
there has rarely been an SN post, and I can't remember
EVER seeing a WP post. (Sigh!). Both of those went
over to FB.
I have some photos of the Yuba City packing sheds
taken just after abandonment which I would be happy to
share on this group once it gets going. There are a
few shots in the Whittaker and Jenkins SN negatives
that I can make available as well. Will the group
extend to nut packers? There were several of these on
the SN, as well as at least two tomato canneries.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020
at 11:40 AM Ken Harstine < kharstin@...>
wrote:
Thanks Garth,
The only advantage to Facebook was the ability
to post images.? And with that is not
really a problem.? I know there has been some
controversy but I think the option of only getting
links to images should be adequate for those on
limited bandwidth lines.
Also of course you can look at past stuff on and that
does not work well on Facebook.? Lots of reasons
why I too prefer this to Facebook.
Best,
Ken Harstine
On 8/27/2020 6:21 PM, Garth Groff and Sally
Sanford wrote:
Ken,
I just logged in. Thanks for not going to
Facebook with this group. I understand that's
where all the SN and WP guys went when the
Yahoo groups were trashed. For personal and
practical reasons, my sweetheart and I agreed
not ever be on FB.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff ??
On Thu, Aug
27, 2020 at 2:02 PM Ken Harstine < kharstin@...>
wrote:
Hi,
I have created a group to facilitate the
sharing of information related to the railroad
served fruit and vegetable industry in North
America.? My particular interests are
California and specifically SN and SP related
industry.
Please join if you are interested:
/g/RailroadFruitIndustryModelers
Ken Harstine
Holyoke, MA
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George Pepper
Ken Harstine
David Epling