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Hi,
I'm the newish owner of a S36 hull #1.?
I did a map of all seacocks.? There are 2 in the aft lazerettes that are very hard to access. If i climb in, i can't reach them to operate. In an emergency where the hose breaks etc the first thing you want to do is close them. Hard to do if you cant reach them. In a seaway if seems like it would be near impossible.?
Has anyone rigged up a device or aid in closing the seacocks? I'm thinking a length of pipe that fits over the handle that you could access without getting into the lazerette.?
The port side seacock it out of view, covered by the steering gear enclosure. The stb side i can see, but not touch, unless is dive in head first.?
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Regards
Ben
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I agree, this has been a concern of mine that I have no solved.
On Tue, Apr 29, 2025, 2:02 PM Ben Rosenthal via <benc.rosenthal2= [email protected]> wrote: Hi,
I'm the newish owner of a S36 hull #1.?
I did a map of all seacocks.? There are 2 in the aft lazerettes that are very hard to access. If i climb in, i can't reach them to operate. In an emergency where the hose breaks etc the first thing you want to do is close them. Hard to do if you cant reach them. In a seaway if seems like it would be near impossible.?
Has anyone rigged up a device or aid in closing the seacocks? I'm thinking a length of pipe that fits over the handle that you could access without getting into the lazerette.?
The port side seacock it out of view, covered by the steering gear enclosure. The stb side i can see, but not touch, unless is dive in head first.?
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Regards
Ben
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I haven't mapped them as you have, but the aft seacocks on my 362 seem to only be for draining the deck drains and the cockpit drains. What kind of situation are you concerned about that would require closing those seacocks?
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Tom
Anna Marie
S36-2 #173
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If they are anything like the S34-2, while I can dive in and access them, and I've been in there recently to service them, it's not easy and the boat might sink by the time I cleared everything out of the locker.?
I would guess a setup similar to a throttle/transmission cable connected to the handle would work.
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Greg
34-2 338
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If I am remembering my 362 correctly from many miles away, those outlet above the waterline. Dunno about older 36’s
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On Apr 29, 2025, at 10:17?PM, Tom Malone via groups.io <tgm98368@...> wrote:
? I haven't mapped them as you have, but the aft seacocks on my 362 seem to only be for draining the deck drains and the cockpit drains. What kind of situation are you concerned about that would require closing those seacocks?
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Tom
Anna Marie
S36-2 #173
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Here’s the Sabre diagram for the seacocks
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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One the 362 one of the scupper drains is located above the designed waterline and the other just below. ?In practice with the boat loaded, both are below the waterline and just barely reachable.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 30, 2025, at 7:38?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
If I am remembering my 362 correctly from many miles away, those outlet above the waterline. Dunno about older 36’sOn Apr 29, 2025, at 10:17?PM, Tom Malone via groups.io <tgm98368@...> wrote:
? I haven't mapped them as you have, but the aft seacocks on my 362 seem to only be for draining the deck drains and the cockpit drains. What kind of situation are you concerned about that would require closing those seacocks? ? Tom Anna Marie S36-2 #173
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Just for reference this is the location on the S36 vs 362, port and starboard firmly underwater.
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I’m not sure what to say on the issue of access. ?They are angled and so getting a length of pipe on it from above might be challenging itself, let alone turning it far enough to close it. ?They are definitely not conveniently placed but I sleep well enough at night knowing hoses and SS clamps are fresh and gear is not riding on them.
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Electric remote seacock valves are made (expensive), but if the question is what if the locker is filling with water, will that work? ?Not sure.
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David
S36 #58 “Valiant”
Annapolis
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On my S36 it is not easy to get into the aft lazarettes but it is possible. I can reach all the stuff I store in there from the cockpit, so I empty it before climbing in. Port side has more clearance at the opening due to engine control panel on starboard side. The box enclosing the steering quadrant does not obstruct the Spartan seacock handles. I just tested this today, I can climb in port side, close the seacock, then essentially lie on top of the box and reach and close starboard seacock. If you actually need to remove the box to reach the handles on your boat, you may want to modify the box.
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Also, the dog ears on the seacock handles are not that robust. An extension on the handle would allow even more force on those dog ears if the valve is a bit stuck, which may just break the handle.
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Joe Cleary
Kestrel? -??S36 #54? -??Boston
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I replaced the cockpit drain Spartan seacocks with Groco ball valves a few years ago on my 34.
Took me the better part of the winter to do so (Spartans were frozen). Also replaced the drain hoses & all
the connecting hardware:
/g/SabreSailboat/photosearch?p=created%2C%2Cseacocks%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0&q=scimitar%20seacocks
I've also installed 2 below deck pilots in the lazarette and had the rudder out a few times, so I've spent a bit of time in there.
At the time I was 70 with substantial arthritis. Yes, access is difficult, but doable. If you can't get in & out, who's doing the annual maintenance (rudder lube, cable adjustment, packing gland, seacock service & general inspection)??
OK, the yard can do it if you trust them, but if you have a problem while underway (compromised hose, attaching hardware or rudder gland issues) you may lose the boat & more:
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/cruisers-rescued-from-sinking-boat-en-route-to-seattle/
This is not a criticism of any lister, but something to contemplate.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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ABYC, reasonably, requires seacocks on all though hulls, but I'd
bet it was because they didn't want to draw a line between
required and optional.? I don't think there is any conceivable
failure mode of the short hoses between the aft cockpit drains and
the seacocks/through-hulls.? Among the things that I'd worry
about, those seacocks are near the bottom on the list.
Joe, congratulations if you were able to operate those seacocks.?
If you had asked, I might have confessed that I don't remember
ever servicing them (note: I was not the seller).? All the others,
sure, and I may still have the scars to prove it.
My current boat has all ball valves.? I don't miss cone-type
seacocks on little bit.? I rate them up with manila line, cotton
sails, and hanked on headsails.
On 4/30/2025 12:32 PM, Joe Cleary via
groups.io wrote:
On my S36 it is not easy to get into the aft lazarettes but
it is possible. I can reach all the stuff I store in there from
the cockpit, so I empty it before climbing in. Port side has
more clearance at the opening due to engine control panel on
starboard side. The box enclosing the steering quadrant does not
obstruct the Spartan seacock handles. I just tested this today,
I can climb in port side, close the seacock, then essentially
lie on top of the box and reach and close starboard seacock. If
you actually need to remove the box to reach the handles on your
boat, you may want to modify the box.
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Also, the dog ears on the seacock handles are not that
robust. An extension on the handle would allow even more force
on those dog ears if the valve is a bit stuck, which may just
break the handle.
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Joe Cleary
Kestrel? -??S36 #54? -??Boston
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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I agree Jim.?
In fact I believe I’ve owned at least 2 small keelboats where there was no valve at the cockpit drain thru hull. In such a situation the hoses are double clamped and can’t come off w/o a lot of effort and probably cutting.?
Unless it was somehow punctured I don’t see a failure scenario.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On Apr 30, 2025, at 12:58?PM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
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ABYC, reasonably, requires seacocks on all though hulls, but I'd
bet it was because they didn't want to draw a line between
required and optional.? I don't think there is any conceivable
failure mode of the short hoses between the aft cockpit drains and
the seacocks/through-hulls.? Among the things that I'd worry
about, those seacocks are near the bottom on the list.
Joe, congratulations if you were able to operate those seacocks.?
If you had asked, I might have confessed that I don't remember
ever servicing them (note: I was not the seller).? All the others,
sure, and I may still have the scars to prove it.
My current boat has all ball valves.? I don't miss cone-type
seacocks on little bit.? I rate them up with manila line, cotton
sails, and hanked on headsails.
On 4/30/2025 12:32 PM, Joe Cleary via
groups.io wrote:
On my S36 it is not easy to get into the aft lazarettes but
it is possible. I can reach all the stuff I store in there from
the cockpit, so I empty it before climbing in. Port side has
more clearance at the opening due to engine control panel on
starboard side. The box enclosing the steering quadrant does not
obstruct the Spartan seacock handles. I just tested this today,
I can climb in port side, close the seacock, then essentially
lie on top of the box and reach and close starboard seacock. If
you actually need to remove the box to reach the handles on your
boat, you may want to modify the box.
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Also, the dog ears on the seacock handles are not that
robust. An extension on the handle would allow even more force
on those dog ears if the valve is a bit stuck, which may just
break the handle.
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Joe Cleary
Kestrel? -??S36 #54? -??Boston
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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To Joe’s point, if the handle breaks, the tab on the cone valve (which is much more substantial) can be grabbed with a large adjustable wrench. ?Don’t ask….
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River?
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On my S36 it is not easy to get into the aft lazarettes but it is possible. I can reach all the stuff I store in there from the cockpit, so I empty it before climbing in. Port side has more clearance at the opening due to engine control panel on starboard
side. The box enclosing the steering quadrant does not obstruct the Spartan seacock handles. I just tested this today, I can climb in port side, close the seacock, then essentially lie on top of the box and reach and close starboard seacock. If you actually
need to remove the box to reach the handles on your boat, you may want to modify the box.
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Also, the dog ears on the seacock handles are not that robust. An extension on the handle would allow even more force on those dog ears if the valve is a bit stuck, which may just break the handle.
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Joe Cleary
Kestrel? -??S36 #54? -??Boston
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I agree.. worth updating, but realistically low on the “what if” list. ?I definitely had to cut, pull, pry to get original 30 some year old hoses off voluntarily. ?Even without clamps it held a seal and the hoses themselves, still mildly pliable and wire not rusted through.
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David
S36 #58 “Valiant”
Annapolis
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Hello all.? Just wanted to introduce myself. I am the new proud owner of a Sabre 36, Providence 2 in Forked River NJ. Purchased in Nov 2024.? I live in Canada where I absolutely fell in Love with the lines of a Sabre 34 in my local marina. Thanks David?Gerhardt.? I will be provisioning and boarding the boat next week and pointing it North through Long Island Sound along New England to New Brunswick.? If you have any suggestions for great moorings or places to stop along the way or if you see me on AIS please reach out and say hello.? I have found this forum very interesting and helpful over the last few months, it has been a great diversion while going through a pretty tough Winter personally.? All the best. Chris Collins Providence 2, 1988 S36 H80
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Welcome Chris and hoping for a safer community passage and enjoy your 36. I love mine.
Stephanie
Arista, S36 #67, Lake Ontario
Shburgess1207@...
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Stephanie
Moderator
Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario
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Chris,
On Long Island Sound, a stop at Mystic Seaport Museum is a unique experience as you are docked inside the museum and have free run of the grounds after closing. The facilities are also nice with free laundry and nice showers. Restaurants are a short walk into town. Overall it is like being in a town some 200 hundred years ago.
Also high on the list was the Safe Harbor Rockland moorings. They don’t have a launch service, so a dinghy is necessary. Free laundry, a good restaurant on the grounds, two courtesy cars, and a spa quality bathrooms with towels and toiletries provided. First Class.
We also enjoyed a stay at the Hinckley mooring field in Southwest Harbor on MDI.?
Enjoy the trip!
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 30, 2025, at 5:59?PM, Chris Collins via groups.io <Collinschris862@...> wrote:
Hello all.? Just wanted to introduce myself. I am the new proud owner of a Sabre 36, Providence 2 in Forked River NJ. Purchased in Nov 2024.? I live in Canada where I absolutely fell in Love with the lines of a Sabre 34 in my local marina. Thanks David?Gerhardt.? I will be provisioning and boarding the boat next week and pointing it North through Long Island Sound along New England to New Brunswick.? If you have any suggestions for great moorings or places to stop along the way or if you see me on AIS please reach out and say hello.? I have found this forum very interesting and helpful over the last few months, it has been a great diversion while going through a pretty tough Winter personally.? All the best. Chris Collins Providence 2, 1988 S36 H80
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In my area I think these are some of the best for time spent in and out and interesting?places coming from Long Island Sound or Block Island? ? Newport - good spot, grab a mooring (Old Port 68) good option if you were spending a few days?
Cuttyhunk - I think could be the best bet for time, sort the canal tide and you can make Sandwich Marina the next day
Sandwich Marina - quick easy in and out, low cost dock, fule, great restaurant?called Fisherman's view? to?
Situate? - it's easy in and out and a nice spot just about the right distance from Sandwich for a day and then up Gloucester?
On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 6:30?AM David Lochner via <davelochner= [email protected]> wrote: Chris,
On Long Island Sound, a stop at Mystic Seaport Museum is a unique experience as you are docked inside the museum and have free run of the grounds after closing. The facilities are also nice with free laundry and nice showers. Restaurants are a short walk into town. Overall it is like being in a town some 200 hundred years ago.
Also high on the list was the Safe Harbor Rockland moorings. They don’t have a launch service, so a dinghy is necessary. Free laundry, a good restaurant on the grounds, two courtesy cars, and a spa quality bathrooms with towels and toiletries provided. First Class.
We also enjoyed a stay at the Hinckley mooring field in Southwest Harbor on MDI.?
Enjoy the trip!
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 30, 2025, at 5:59?PM, Chris Collins via <Collinschris862= [email protected]> wrote:
Hello all.? Just wanted to introduce myself. I am the new proud owner of a Sabre 36, Providence 2 in Forked River NJ. Purchased in Nov 2024.? I live in Canada where I absolutely fell in Love with the lines of a Sabre 34 in my local marina. Thanks David?Gerhardt.? I will be provisioning and boarding the boat next week and pointing it North through Long Island Sound along New England to New Brunswick.? If you have any suggestions for great moorings or places to stop along the way or if you see me on AIS please reach out and say hello.? I have found this forum very interesting and helpful over the last few months, it has been a great diversion while going through a pretty tough Winter personally.? All the best. Chris Collins Providence 2, 1988 S36 H80
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Chris In order from south to north Block Island RI-first stop existing Long Island Sound, find a spot to drop your anchor in the Great Salt Bay, be sure to have drinks and dinner at The Oar, though some people swear by Dead Eye Dick’s Cuttyhunk-a lovely but tiny island at the entrance to Buzzards Bay Onset MA-at the entrance to the Cape Cod Canel it’s a great spot to anchor or pick up a mooring, time your trip from here to catch a fair current in the canal and you’ll see boat speeds over 10 kts? Provincetown MA-a unique place with character and services? Gloucester MA Harbor-you can anchor in the triangle between the north and south harbor channels, easy dinghy access to laundry, restaurants and groceries? Biddeford Pool ME-anchor near Stages Island if the weather is calm or get a mooring from the yacht club, with a little luck you might get one inside the Pool Boothbay ME-get a mooring at the Tugboat Inn, have breakfast at Blue Moon Cafe Carvers Harbor, Vinalhaven Island-a working lobsterman’s harbor with transient moorings Southwest Harbor, Mt. Desert Island-moorings available through the Harbormaster Roque Island-anchor off the famous mile long white sand crescent beach, if the weather is a bit sporty tuck into Lakeman Harbor for a peaceful night’s sleep Enjoy your trip and dress warm! Len Bertaux Walkabout 38mkii Prides Crossing MA
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On May 1, 2025, at 6:30?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
? Chris,
On Long Island Sound, a stop at Mystic Seaport Museum is a unique experience as you are docked inside the museum and have free run of the grounds after closing. The facilities are also nice with free laundry and nice showers. Restaurants are a short walk into town. Overall it is like being in a town some 200 hundred years ago.
Also high on the list was the Safe Harbor Rockland moorings. They don’t have a launch service, so a dinghy is necessary. Free laundry, a good restaurant on the grounds, two courtesy cars, and a spa quality bathrooms with towels and toiletries provided. First Class.
We also enjoyed a stay at the Hinckley mooring field in Southwest Harbor on MDI.?
Enjoy the trip!
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 30, 2025, at 5:59?PM, Chris Collins via groups.io <Collinschris862@...> wrote:
Hello all.? Just wanted to introduce myself. I am the new proud owner of a Sabre 36, Providence 2 in Forked River NJ. Purchased in Nov 2024.? I live in Canada where I absolutely fell in Love with the lines of a Sabre 34 in my local marina. Thanks David?Gerhardt.? I will be provisioning and boarding the boat next week and pointing it North through Long Island Sound along New England to New Brunswick.? If you have any suggestions for great moorings or places to stop along the way or if you see me on AIS please reach out and say hello.? I have found this forum very interesting and helpful over the last few months, it has been a great diversion while going through a pretty tough Winter personally.? All the best. Chris Collins Providence 2, 1988 S36 H80
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Chris, the following are stops that may work for you. ?We made them on a trip from PEI to Norfolk and on another from Nassau to Halifax. ? 1. Port Washington in Manhasset Bay, a bay at the bottom (southwest end) of the Sound. ?We were able to provision at a Stop and Shop located off Shore Road in the northeast corner of the bay, ?past Tom’s Point Marina. There is a town dock for the dinghy. 2. Montauk - the very eastern end of Long Island. We anchored in Lake Mantauk and chowed down at a cool restaurant/bar called ‘The Dock Bar and Grill’. You may need reservations as it is very popular. ? 3. New Shoreham (aka Block Island). - we anchored in The Great Salt Pond and did not go to shore. ?Maybe someone can chime in on where to go there for food, etc. 4. Cuttyhunk - southwest corner of Buzzards Bay. ?We picked up a hook in Cuttyhunk Pond. ?Must be a popular spot in season as there must have been 50 or so hooks available to pick up. ? 5. Marion - fuelled up at Burr Brothers located at the end of the harbour. 6. Sandwich - located at the Cape Cod Bay end of the Cape Cod Canal. ?Fuel, restaurants, groceries 7. Provincetown - located at the northern tip of Cape Cod. ?Anchored there and did not go to shore
From Provincetown you will be heading over to Nova Scotia, undoubtedly familiar grounds for you. ?We stopped in Lunenburg. ?
I reached out a couple of times to the SabreSailboat groups community along the way regarding fuel and food locations. ?Great help! ?
Fair Winds Sailor! ?
Dave G? Serenade 1983 S 34-1 #184 NB, Canada
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Hello all.? Just wanted to introduce myself. I am the new proud owner of a Sabre 36, Providence 2 in Forked River NJ. Purchased in Nov 2024.? I live in Canada where I absolutely fell in Love with the lines of a Sabre 34 in my local marina. Thanks David?Gerhardt.? I will be provisioning and boarding the boat next week and pointing it North through Long Island Sound along New England to New Brunswick.? If you have any suggestions for great moorings or places to stop along the way or if you see me on AIS please reach out and say hello.? I have found this forum very interesting and helpful over the last few months, it has been a great diversion while going through a pretty tough Winter personally.? All the best. Chris Collins Providence 2, 1988 S36 H80
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David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
Philip Horn
Jim Starkey
Stephanie
Keith Bucklen
Len Bertaux
David Gerhardt