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I'm about to start life on a 1988 Sabre 38 MK II.? A gem of a boat with the stern boarding ladder.? Yet, that system is not ideal if you want to bring gear, groceries, etc. on board.? I want to get a sturdy ladder which would be set at the boarding gate between the stanchions.? Towards the front of the cockpit there is a boarding gate between the stanchions, where you can unhook a short section of the lifelines to walk through, where a fold-down ladder should seem to go.? makes a system I would think works but wanted to see if anyone had a better idea.? Thanks.??
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Welcome Eric. ?You have good taste in boats. I have see that ladder system up close and personal and think it’s pretty nice.
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On May 7, 2025, at 2:45?PM, Eric Vos via groups.io <ericalexandervos@...> wrote:
I'm about to start life on a 1988 Sabre 38 MK II.? A gem of a boat with the stern boarding ladder.? Yet, that system is not ideal if you want to bring gear, groceries, etc. on board.? I want to get a sturdy ladder which would be set at the boarding gate between the stanchions.? Towards the front of the cockpit there is a boarding gate between the stanchions, where you can unhook a short section of the lifelines to walk through, where a fold-down ladder should seem to go.? makes a system I would think works but wanted to see if anyone had a better idea.? Thanks.??
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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That’s a very interesting product. ?Never seen or heard of it.?
We have the Edson one-step as well as the inflatable step. This is much nicer.?
Thank you.?
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On May 7, 2025, at 4:14?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
? Welcome Eric. ?You have good taste in boats. I have see that ladder system up close and personal and think it’s pretty nice.
Allison On May 7, 2025, at 2:45?PM, Eric Vos via groups.io <ericalexandervos@...> wrote:
I'm about to start life on a 1988 Sabre 38 MK II.? A gem of a boat with the stern boarding ladder.? Yet, that system is not ideal if you want to bring gear, groceries, etc. on board.? I want to get a sturdy ladder which would be set at the boarding gate between the stanchions.? Towards the front of the cockpit there is a boarding gate between the stanchions, where you can unhook a short section of the lifelines to walk through, where a fold-down ladder should seem to go.? makes a system I would think works but wanted to see if anyone had a better idea.? Thanks.??
-- Allison S426 Kingfisher SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Same idea:
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https://mysticstainless.com/the-foldaway.html
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These look like the exact same products. ?I think they are. ?
 
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On May 7, 2025, at 8:37?PM, Carter Brey via groups.io <carter.brey@...> wrote:
? Same idea:
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https://mysticstainless.com/the-foldaway.html
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I have that Scanmar ladder on my 38mkI.? It works pretty well.? We leave it rigged and folded up when not in use.? My boat does not have a stern boarding ladder.? We use the Scanmar for swimming off the boat and a step on the other side of the cockpit for boarding from the dinghy.?
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Andy Kurtz
S38mkI Cayuga
Scituate, MA
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I have one of these.? It's wonderful.? Slides back on the toe
rail track and is completely out of the way when not in use.? It
does, however, have to be carefully fitted to the boat so the two
supports are the appropriate lengths.
On 5/7/2025 11:37 PM, Carter Brey via
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Same idea:
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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I have one, it's nice because?it's very?sturdy and easy to climb on. Its significant, you need to take it down under sail and stow, its weighty and is not super quick like a transom?ladder.
If you're coming?on and off a dinghy?you should try one of these first, I find that my ladder really is best for coming in and out of the water and not off a dinghy.
I have one of these.? It's wonderful.? Slides back on the toe
rail track and is completely out of the way when not in use.? It
does, however, have to be carefully fitted to the boat so the two
supports are the appropriate lengths.
On 5/7/2025 11:37 PM, Carter Brey via
wrote:
Same idea:
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On May 9, 2025, at 4:21?PM, Keith Bucklen via groups.io <bucklen.keith@...> wrote:
I have one, it's nice because?it's very?sturdy and easy to climb on. Its significant, you need to take it down under sail and stow, its weighty and is not super quick like a transom?ladder.
If you're coming?on and off a dinghy?you should try one of these first, I find that my ladder really is best for coming in and out of the water and not off a dinghy.
I have one of these.? It's wonderful.? Slides back on the toe
rail track and is completely out of the way when not in use.? It
does, however, have to be carefully fitted to the boat so the two
supports are the appropriate lengths.
On 5/7/2025 11:37 PM, Carter Brey via
wrote:
Same idea:
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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The 4 point contact on the Edson step w non skid rubber buttons against the hull makes it very stable. The step has a very high safe load. Will not fail. ? Won’t rot. Included line is dynemms and clip hooks are stainless steel. ?
Same same. :-)?
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On May 9, 2025, at 1:36?PM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
? Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On May 9, 2025, at 4:21?PM, Keith Bucklen via groups.io <bucklen.keith@...> wrote:
I have one, it's nice because?it's very?sturdy and easy to climb on. Its significant, you need to take it down under sail and stow, its weighty and is not super quick like a transom?ladder.
If you're coming?on and off a dinghy?you should try one of these first, I find that my ladder really is best for coming in and out of the water and not off a dinghy.
I have one of these.? It's wonderful.? Slides back on the toe
rail track and is completely out of the way when not in use.? It
does, however, have to be carefully fitted to the boat so the two
supports are the appropriate lengths.
On 5/7/2025 11:37 PM, Carter Brey via
wrote:
Same idea:
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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It is only $20 if you have the scrap wood, rope, vinyl strip, tools, varnish equipment and a skilled worker who values their time at $0/hour.
Dave wrote:
Yikes! $409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Jeff
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
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The $20 included wood and line. I had some left over varnish. Took may be an hour to make it not including drying time between varnish coats. As for time, I”m at that stage of life where my income only depends on me breathing, aka, retirement. Even if I valued my time at $100/hour, it would still be cheaper.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On May 10, 2025, at 9:50?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
It is only $20 if you have the scrap wood, rope, vinyl strip, tools, varnish equipment and a skilled worker who values their time at $0/hour.
Dave wrote:
Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Jeff
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
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Cheaper but not anywhere near equivalent. The Edson will last and perform as new for a lifetime. And then one can sell it.?
The hooks themselves are very high quality and about $20 each.?
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On May 10, 2025, at 7:05?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
? The $20 included wood and line. I had some left over varnish. Took may be an hour to make it not including drying time between varnish coats. As for time, I”m at that stage of life where my income only depends on me breathing, aka, retirement. Even if I valued my time at $100/hour, it would still be cheaper.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On May 10, 2025, at 9:50?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
It is only $20 if you have the scrap wood, rope, vinyl strip, tools, varnish equipment and a skilled worker who values their time at $0/hour.
Dave wrote:
Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Jeff
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
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Ok,
I didn’t go that far.
Functionally they are equivalent. ?If you have the time, tools, and talent, the wood step is likely more satisfying to have and use.
Being unretired, I still factor in time and wages, which makes cost more equal for me.
But even giving it away, Dave would be out at most $20 and his free time. Shipping and tax on the fancy one is likely more than that, so unless you can magically sell a used one for more than you were charged for it new, you are further behind.
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On May 10, 2025, at 11:05?AM, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Cheaper but not anywhere near equivalent. The Edson will last and perform as new for a lifetime. And then one can sell it.?
The hooks themselves are very high quality and about $20 each.?
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On May 10, 2025, at 7:05?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?The $20 included wood and line. I had some left over varnish. Took may be an hour to make it not including drying time between varnish coats. As for time, I”m at that stage of life where my income only depends on me breathing, aka, retirement.
Even if I valued my time at $100/hour, it would still be cheaper.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On May 10, 2025, at 9:50?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
It is only $20 if you have the scrap wood, rope, vinyl strip, tools, varnish equipment and a skilled worker who values their time at $0/hour.
Dave wrote:
Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow
between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Jeff
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
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I don’t care. ?
The Edson is better than a piece ?of wood. ?
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On May 10, 2025, at 9:00?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
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Ok,
I didn’t go that far.
Functionally they are equivalent. ?If you have the time, tools, and talent, the wood step is likely more satisfying to have and use.
Being unretired, I still factor in time and wages, which makes cost more equal for me.
But even giving it away, Dave would be out at most $20 and his free time. Shipping and tax on the fancy one is likely more than that, so unless you can magically sell a used one for more than you were charged for it new, you are further behind.
On May 10, 2025, at 11:05?AM, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Cheaper but not anywhere near equivalent. The Edson will last and perform as new for a lifetime. And then one can sell it.?
The hooks themselves are very high quality and about $20 each.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On May 10, 2025, at 7:05?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?The $20 included wood and line. I had some left over varnish. Took may be an hour to make it not including drying time between varnish coats. As for time, I”m at that stage of life where my income only depends on me breathing, aka, retirement.
Even if I valued my time at $100/hour, it would still be cheaper.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On May 10, 2025, at 9:50?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
It is only $20 if you have the scrap wood, rope, vinyl strip, tools, varnish equipment and a skilled worker who values their time at $0/hour.
Dave wrote:
Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow
between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Jeff
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
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Guys, the point should be what suits your needs best then how much does it cost and how can you whittle that $ down.
Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
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On May 10, 2025, at 9:00?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
Ok,
I didn’t go that far.
Functionally they are equivalent. ?If you have the time, tools, and talent, the wood step is likely more satisfying to have and use.
Being unretired, I still factor in time and wages, which makes cost more equal for me.
But even giving it away, Dave would be out at most $20 and his free time. Shipping and tax on the fancy one is likely more than that, so unless you can magically sell a used one for more than you were charged for it new, you are further behind.
On May 10, 2025, at 11:05?AM, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Cheaper but not anywhere near equivalent. The Edson will last and perform as new for a lifetime. And then one can sell it.?
The hooks themselves are very high quality and about $20 each.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On May 10, 2025, at 7:05?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?The $20 included wood and line. I had some left over varnish. Took may be an hour to make it not including drying time between varnish coats. As for time, I”m at that stage of life where my income only depends on me breathing, aka, retirement.
Even if I valued my time at $100/hour, it would still be cheaper.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On May 10, 2025, at 9:50?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
It is only $20 if you have the scrap wood, rope, vinyl strip, tools, varnish equipment and a skilled worker who values their time at $0/hour.
Dave wrote:
Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow
between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Jeff
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
-- Jeff B 1988 Sabre 34-2, 347 S/V Northwood Deale, MD
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Yes.?
Always go cheap. Good plan.?
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On May 10, 2025, at 9:34?AM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
? Guys, the point should be what suits your needs best then how much does it cost and how can you whittle that $ down.
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640
On May 10, 2025, at 9:00?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
Ok,
I didn’t go that far.
Functionally they are equivalent. ?If you have the time, tools, and talent, the wood step is likely more satisfying to have and use.
Being unretired, I still factor in time and wages, which makes cost more equal for me.
But even giving it away, Dave would be out at most $20 and his free time. Shipping and tax on the fancy one is likely more than that, so unless you can magically sell a used one for more than you were charged for it new, you are further behind.
On May 10, 2025, at 11:05?AM, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Cheaper but not anywhere near equivalent. The Edson will last and perform as new for a lifetime. And then one can sell it.?
The hooks themselves are very high quality and about $20 each.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On May 10, 2025, at 7:05?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?The $20 included wood and line. I had some left over varnish. Took may be an hour to make it not including drying time between varnish coats. As for time, I”m at that stage of life where my income only depends on me breathing, aka, retirement.
Even if I valued my time at $100/hour, it would still be cheaper.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On May 10, 2025, at 9:50?AM, Jeff Bartlett via groups.io <Jhbartlett@...> wrote:
It is only $20 if you have the scrap wood, rope, vinyl strip, tools, varnish equipment and a skilled worker who values their time at $0/hour.
Dave wrote:
Yikes! ?$409 for a step?
I have a boarding step made from a 6” x 16” piece of oak suspended by 5/16” line. I added a piece of vinyl weather stripping on the edge that sits against the hull and rounded over the outer edge and varnished. Total cost about $20. Works well and easy to stow
between the stanchion and the toe rail.
Jeff
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Jeff B
1988 Sabre 34-2, 347
S/V Northwood
Deale, MD
-- Jeff B 1988 Sabre 34-2, 347 S/V Northwood Deale, MD
-- Allison S426 Kingfisher SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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I bought our 42 with one of these Scanmar ladders already in place. I also have the Edson step that I have had for years and kept ti with me as we moved boats... My preference is the step vs the ladder. The ladder I feel is in the way when folded up and on deck. The step is easy and able to stow when not in use. However, I have had some folks on board that are a bit unsteady in their footing that definitely would be better with the scanmar ladder as it offers a more sure footing, especially in bouncy mooring fields. My 2 cents...
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