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Once again folks, the displays are NOT nixies or any other thing. They are
VERY expensive self contained LARGE LED readouts that can be seen clear
across the room. When I get the time I will reshoot the photos. Besides,
why all the bantering by most of you guys when (as stated by Alex) none of
you would ever consider buying the unit in the first place. Please don't
bitch about something that you have no intention of ever owning.
James

[Original Message]
From: jim albert <tbirdsc@...>
To: <SAE_Talk@...>
Date: 2/18/06 1:11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SAE_Talk] Re: Audio Cosmetics

who knows - updated retro is in - the new mustang is selling like hot
cakes and the camaro and challenger will probably be back sooner than
later - the nixies are still pretty cool looking after all these years

tony_scimemi wrote:

Bob,
My comments reflect several past posts in which people had trouble
finding the displays (In which segments have burned out or went dim)
to fix their ailing tuners. I seem to recall that the 8000 suffered
this fate frequently. Of course, they did last quite a long time to
begin with.

I don't own a SAE 8000, and never have. I'm sure anyone would agree
that putting Nixie tubes in a "modern" product would not be the right
thing to do. (Not even sure if they are still commercially available).

Regards.
Tony.

--- In SAE_Talk@..., "Bob Groschen" <rpgroschen@...>
wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "tony_scimemi" <tntonys@...>
To: <SAE_Talk@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: [SAE_Talk] Audio Cosmetics

The numerical readout on the Ambrosia does not seem to be (Please
correct me if I'm wrong) a LCD display, but rather, something
reminiscent of the SAE tuners (8000). If true, why go this route,
considering the longevity problems and parts unavailability?

Longivity problems? What longeivity problems? Want to flesh out
this statement a bit?

What parts are you having trouble sourcing? I have two 8000 tuners
one of which I replaced all the 7-segment display in with commonly
available ones. All the parts in the Mark VIII/8000 are readily

available

(with the possible exception of the front end assembly).

Best Regards,

Bob Groschen
Monument, CO

Manuals, Part Cross References, Schematics and other sources can be

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Manuals, Part Cross References, Schematics and other sources can be found

at:

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I can assure everyone that the displays are indeed LEDs. As I said
previously, the lighting was not right when we took these first photos in a
hurry.
James

[Original Message]
From: tony_scimemi <tntonys@...>
To: <SAE_Talk@...>
Date: 2/18/06 11:25:20 AM
Subject: [SAE_Talk] Audio Cosmetics

Hello all,
Haven't posted in a while, but have been lurking...

I think that, since we are, obviously, endeared to SAE/GAS/SUMO, we
pay more attention to these products, perhaps, than a lot of others.
(Of course we are certainly aware of the other gear out there).

The numerical readout on the Ambrosia does not seem to be (Please
correct me if I'm wrong) a LCD display, but rather, something
reminiscent of the SAE tuners (8000). If true, why go this route,
considering the longevity problems and parts unavailability?

I think the best looking piece of audio gear I've ever seen is the
Day Sequerra tuner. I like the layout of the controls, and you just
can't beat the bright white backlit, rectangular control buttons. I
am very partial to backlit controls; a la McIntosh.

If I were to design (cosmetically speaking) a component, it would
have these attributes.

Anyone with me?

Regards,

Tony.





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at:

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First you may have noticed my email has changed to sae@... This is part
of my new web site. Although not live yet, it won't be much longer.

I spoke with Mike Pontelle the other day and he told me they have reaquired the
SAE name. He said they don't have plans for it yet, but I would say something
is happening, otherwise why copywrite the name again.

He and Morris are aware of the SAE speakers being marketed on Ebay, at Cosco and
www.speakerz.com. They are being done by the original SAE speaker manufacturer
using a design of their own. ATI doesn't have a problem with it, as long as it's
only speakers.

I know some of you have purchased these. Let us know what you think of them. If
nothing else, the're cool because they say SAE. ;-)

It is available in Black on special order at extra cost. However, I'm
confused. You've expressed distaste for the look. Why would you consider
buying one if you don't like the looks?
James

[Original Message]
From: Alex <alex.laverick@...>
To: <SAE_Talk@...>
Date: 2/15/06 4:44:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SAE_Talk] Re: First Ambrosia Pictures Available

It also doesn't sound like the run of the mill stuff either.
Is the new stuff available in black?


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Thank god for James Bonjiorno!

-=Jeff Gross=-

Dear Bob,
Mounting the TO-220 devices in place of the TO-66 should not be a problem. Just cut off the center collector lead and you're in business. As far as the drivers go, this is a very serious problem due to the fact that the design did NOT use a series connected output
stage. Therefore, ALL of the output devices as well as drivers MUST be very high voltage (BVceo=250Volts min.). Of course, RCA is no longer in the semiconductor business. This division became part of GE semiconductor when it was bought by GE which later was bought
by Harris. All of those parts simply disappeared. And sadly, there are no replacements that I know of. I will search to see if I can find a complementary pair of devices that will work. I don't hold out much hope however, of finding them in TO-220 packages. There
might be some devices from the Japanese such as Toshiba however, I'm not sure. Also, it is absolutely vital that the drivers be LOW SPEED ie: lower fT devices in the order of 3 to 10MHz. If you use higher bandwidth drivers there will be a strong possibility of
oscillations and instability. In addition, these devices MUST have at least an 8 amp collector current rating as well as at least a 50 or higher watt rating. Again, this is a real problem which is why today most designers are moving to full bridge output stages
which cuts the voltage rating in half.
James Bongiorno

desertfox wrote:

sstinc:First sstinc:Last wrote:

From: sstinc:"First sstinc:Last" <jamesbongiorno@...>

Dear Bob,
The diode is an original Fairchild FDH400, that is, a planar diode with 400Volts PIV and 100ma. of current. The SAE107 and the SAE208 are no longer being made (not for about 15 years). They were original Motorola parts. The nearest equivilent today would be
the Toshiba 2SA1837(PNP) and the 2SC4793(NPN) and they are available from Solid State Sales in N.J. and Mouser. The other two devices I'm not familiar with at least from those numbers because SAE changed their numbering system after I left. You could call ATI
and ask them what the original JEDEC numbers were.
James Bongiorno

desertfox@... wrote:

From: desertfox@...

Can anyone tell me the Generic part number or its description for the following SAE parts: Diode 11-0091,UG2101; Transistor 11-0066B, SAE 107; Transistor 11-0072B, SAE 208. I am also looking for a 100K Balance Control For an SAE 4000 electronic crossover.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bob Ludka

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To: James Bongiorno;

I would like to thank you for responding so promptly to my
questions about SAE Transistors. I have checked Mouser and they do have
the Toshiba 2SA1837 (PNP) and the 23SC4793 (NPN) which I noticed come
packaged in a TO 220 case. The SAE 11-0066B and 11-0072B transistor
manufactured by RCA came packaged in a TO 66 case. Is this correct?
These transistors are the Driver and Pre-Driver transistors for the
Model 2500 and 2600 amplifier. I wouldn't think mounting the different
case styles should be problem.

Thanks again, Best Regards, Bob. Ludka

Dear Bob,
The diode is an original Fairchild FDH400, that is, a planar diode with 400Volts PIV and 100ma. of current. The SAE107 and the SAE208 are no longer being made (not for about 15 years). They were original Motorola parts. The nearest equivilent today would be
the Toshiba 2SA1837(PNP) and the 2SC4793(NPN) and they are available from Solid State Sales in N.J. and Mouser. The other two devices I'm not familiar with at least from those numbers because SAE changed their numbering system after I left. You could call ATI
and ask them what the original JEDEC numbers were.
James Bongiorno

desertfox@... wrote:

Can anyone tell me the Generic part number or its description for the following SAE parts: Diode 11-0091,UG2101; Transistor 11-0066B, SAE 107; Transistor 11-0072B, SAE 208. I am also looking for a 100K Balance Control For an SAE 4000 electronic crossover.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bob Ludka

One thing about Marty Gasman, and his manuals,

He's not real responsive sometimes. You gotta bug him.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Wardsweb wrote:

From: "Wardsweb" <wardsweb@...>

James-

Not to worry, we all appreciate your situation and will graciously accept anything you have to offer, be it, manuals or just insight into electronic circuitry.

Luther

----- Original Message -----
From: sstinc: First sstinc:Last
To: SAE_Talk@...
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SAE_Talk] Service Manuals


From: sstinc:"First sstinc:Last" <jamesbongiorno@...>

Dear Folks,
If I weren't in such a conundrum of being in the middle of moving to a new place
with virtually everything I own stored away in lockers, I would have made
available my manuals and schematics before this. Please be patient.
James Bongiorno

wardsweb@... wrote:

> From: wardsweb@...
>
> Ok, for all of you who are in dire need of schematics:
>
>
> mailto:mgasman@...
>
> $25 for service manuals and $20 for owners manuals
>
> These are xerox copies. I think he's way high for what your getting, but
> if you really need one, there aren't many choices for now. I hope we can
> change that by pooling all our manuals and making them available in PDF
> format online. Maybe we can work together to combine our resources.
> If you buy one, let's get it scanned and onverted to PDF. That way one person
> doesn't have to take such a hit, if you want more than one or two manuals.
>
> Let me know what you think. I'm open to any suggestion on spreading the wealth
> of information we all have.
>
> Luther
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450 W. Byberry Rd. #T22
Philadelphia, PA 19116
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James-

Not to worry, we all appreciate your situation and will graciously accept anything you have to offer, be it, manuals or just insight into electronic circuitry.

Luther

Dear Folks,
If I weren't in such a conundrum of being in the middle of moving to a new place
with virtually everything I own stored away in lockers, I would have made
available my manuals and schematics before this. Please be patient.
James Bongiorno

wardsweb@... wrote:

Ok, for all of you who are in dire need of schematics:


mailto:mgasman@...

$25 for service manuals and $20 for owners manuals

These are xerox copies. I think he's way high for what your getting, but
if you really need one, there aren't many choices for now. I hope we can
change that by pooling all our manuals and making them available in PDF
format online. Maybe we can work together to combine our resources.
If you buy one, let's get it scanned and onverted to PDF. That way one person
doesn't have to take such a hit, if you want more than one or two manuals.

Let me know what you think. I'm open to any suggestion on spreading the wealth
of information we all have.

Luther

What kind of whacky crap is that? Why on EARTH did they do that?

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Wardsweb wrote:

From: "Wardsweb" <wardsweb@...>

Well you just happened to hit on the other audio gear I use. Yes, the
Carvers are a standard 19" rack width, but "NO" you can not bolt them
in. The rack handles mount in holes that don't line up with standard
rack rails. All my Carver amps sit on shelves, so they look like the're
mounted.

Later
Luther
----- Original Message -----
From: jgross@...
To: SAE_Talk@...
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:27 PM
Subject: [SAE_Talk] Carver C-11


From: jgross@...

Anyone have any info on the Carver C-11 Preamp?

Is this easily rack mountable in a standard rack?

-=Jeff Gross=-

450 W. Byberry Rd. #T22
Philadelphia, PA 19116
(215) 464-6077 [voice]
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450 W. Byberry Rd. #T22
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Well you just happened to hit on the other audio gear I use. Yes, the Carvers are a standard 19" rack width, but "NO" you can not bolt them in. The rack handles mount in holes that don't line up with standard rack rails. All my Carver amps sit on shelves, so they look like the're mounted.

Later
Luther

Anyone have any info on the Carver C-11 Preamp?

Is this easily rack mountable in a standard rack?

-=Jeff Gross=-

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(215) 464-6077 [voice]
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Here is my current collection of growing SAE literature. They are
presented in my best guess of chronological order newest to oldest going
down the list. Corrections are welcomed. Do any of you know of
information that I am missing? I like to build a complete list.

The information also shows that the Integrated Amps, 180EQ, and the 3200
Tuner where short lived products.

Unless otherwise stated, all are original SAE brochures:

X Series. X-10A, X-15A, X-25A, X-1P. 6 pg color. Gray cover.
02 Series. T102, I102. 2 pg color.
02 Series. D102 2 Pg B/W photocopy. Labeled "Temporary Brochure".
02 Series. T102, P102, C102, A202, A502. 2 pg color.
01 Series. C101. 2 pg Color.
01 Series. P101. 2 pg B/W.
01 Series. A1001. 2 pg B/W.
01 Series. A301, A501. 2 pg B/W.
01 Series. A201. 2 pg B/W.
01 Series. T101, P101, E101, A201, A301, A501, A1001. 9/82
01 Series. 2201, 2401 4 pg B/W. Labeled "Preliminary Information" 10/80
XX00 Series. Full line 8 pg Color. Landscape. Product Line Picture. 5/78
(1)
???? Series. 180 EQ. 4 pg color.
XX00 Series. C2-C8, SR5-SR10, R1-R3, C-10. 4 pg Color.
XX00 Series. 4200 Speaker Switcher. 2 pg Color.
XX00 Series. Full line 16 pg Color. Landscape. Blk Anodized AL Cover. (2)
XX00 Series. 2800, 1800 EQ. 4 pg Color. 5/77
XX00 Series. 2900 Pre. 2 pg Color. 5/77
XX00 Series. Full line 6 pg 3 Color + B/W. 2/77 (3)
XX00 Series. 2200 2 pg Color. 2/77
XX00 Series. 5000 2 pg Color. 11/76
Mk Series. VIII tuner. 2 pg Color.
Mk Series. Full line 4 pg B/W. 3/75 (4)

P102 Test report by Stereo Review. 2/87 2 pg B/W reprint.
2401 Test report by Stereo Review. 4/81 2 pg B/W reprint.
SAE National Franchised Dealer Listing. 11/1/77 4 pg B/W green paper.
SAE 5 Year Service Contract letter from Morris Kessler. In Box info.
SAE 5 Year Service Contract. 2 pg B/W. Blue ink. Official
SAE 90 Day Warrantee. 2 pg B/W. Blue ink. Official
SAE 5 year replaces 90 day Federal law notice. 7/4/75 B/W pink paper.
SAE Accessory order form for Mk Series. Cabinets, Fans, Speaker Bases
SAE Factory Inspection report for 2500 Amp. B/W yellow paper.
SAE Sales notice. 2201 & 2401 Prices. 10/21/80

(1) covers the following:
AMPS: 2600, 2400L, 2300, 2200, 3100
INTG: 2922, 3022, 3031
PRE: 2100, 2100L, 2900, 3000
TNRS: 8000
EQ'S: 2800, 1800
MISC: 5000, 4100, 4000, 7000
RACK: R, SR, C, C10

(2) covers the following:
AMPS: 2600, 2400L, 2300, 2200, 3100
PRE: 2100, 2100L, 2900, 3000
TNRS: 8000, 3200
EQ'S: 2800, 1800, 180
MISC: 5000, 4100, 4000
RACK: SR, MR1, MR2, WR3, MC10
2 Pg of SAE story, 2 Pg Amp tech, 2 Pg, Pre tech, 2 Pg EQ tech, 2 Pg Misc
tech.

(3) covers the following:
AMPS: 2600, 2500, 2400L, 2200, MkXXX1B
PRE: 2100, 2100L, 2900, MkXXX
TNRS: MkVIII
EQ'S: 2800, 1800
MISC: 5000, 4000

(4) covers the following:
AMPS: MkIIIC/IIICM, MkIVD/IVDM, MkXXX1B
PRE: MkIB, MkIM, MkIXB, MkXXX
TNRS: MkVIB, MkVIII
EQ'S: MkXXVII, MkVII





Best Regards,

Mark Gurries (replying from home)

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Luther Ward wrote:

From: wardsweb@...

Sorry for the forum departure, but my new site is almost there. While
InterNIC
transfers my domain to my new server, I was wondering what display size
you run
in? My concern is really how many of you use less than 800x600.

Just email me direct: wardsweb@...

Thanks
Luther

800 x 600 is fine.


Best Regards,

Mark Gurries (replying from home)

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