Unfortunately groups.io has not lived up to its potential of being the next big yahoo group type of website and also was never able to publish all the great content downloaded from the old group that I uploaded when I created this group. I second joining the S2 facebook group.
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I guess not. I joined the S2 sailboats group on Facebook. It's a pretty good resource for S2 owners.?
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021, 09:23:42 AM CST, Mark <mark@...> wrote:
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Once the group moved to a new host I can’t get in
Brian Nicholson
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On Sep 21, 2020, at 10:58 PM, Mark <mark@...> wrote:
?I haven't seen a post in over a year?
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I haven't seen a post in over a year?
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I sent a group invite to groups.io to transfer
to the new group.?
Mark
On 10/20/2019 02:33 PM, Mark
Mark@... [s227classassociation] wrote:
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There are about 40 S2 27 owners,
out of 85 boats, represented in this Yahoo Groups
list.? We have a proposal from Ryan to change the list
server to groups.io, in fact Ryan already has a group
set up.? I became admin by default a couple years ago
when the current admin sold his boat and wanted out.?
We can migrate this yahoo list to the new groups.io
automatically which would transfer your email address
and any files you have uploaded (not many) to the new
server.? It appears that Yahoo want's out of the
business but they will keep our list active (for now)
but with fewer features. I think it is time for
someone else to become the list admin and perhaps move
it to groups.io.? If you have other ideas please reply
to this message, if you don't want your information
transferred to the new list then please unsubscribe or
let me know.
The following is what Yahoo has to say:
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Attention:?Starting
December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host
user created content on its sites. New content can
no longer be uploaded after October 28, 2019.
Sending/Receiving email functionality is not going
away, you can continue to communicate via any email
client with your group members.?
Mark ?
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There are about 40 S2 27 owners, out of 85
boats, represented in this Yahoo Groups list.? We have a
proposal from Ryan to change the list server to groups.io, in
fact Ryan already has a group set up.? I became admin by default
a couple years ago when the current admin sold his boat and
wanted out.? We can migrate this yahoo list to the new groups.io
automatically which would transfer your email address and any
files you have uploaded (not many) to the new server.? It
appears that Yahoo want's out of the business but they will keep
our list active (for now) but with fewer features. I think it is
time for someone else to become the list admin and perhaps move
it to groups.io.? If you have other ideas please reply to this
message, if you don't want your information transferred to the
new list then please unsubscribe or let me know.
The following is what Yahoo has to say:
?
Attention:?Starting December 14,
2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host user created content on
its sites. New content can no longer be uploaded after October
28, 2019. Sending/Receiving email functionality is not going
away, you can continue to communicate via any email client
with your group members.?
Mark ?
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Re: yahoo groups coming to an end!
Thanks for getting back to me Mark, only thr admin/owner can send invites.
Thanks, ryan
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yahoo groups coming to an end!
Ryan, ?My name is Mark Endicott, I inherited this list a couple years ago when the founder sold his boat and wanted out. ?I still have my 27 but my sailing days at limited. How about I make you the admin for this group and then you can transfer it to groups.io.?
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From: "rkaw313@... [s227classassociation]"
Date: October 19, 2019 at 6:36:58 PM CDT
To: s227classassociation@...
Subject: [s227classassociation] yahoo groups coming to an end!
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I have not seen anyone in this group post about this yet. What are our plans??
As of December 14?all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed.?
I have payed for ($110) and created a new group on groups.io (this is what most groups are doing to save their data) It is called s227yachts ([email protected])
TO THE GROUP OWNER OF THIS YAHOO GROUP!!
Would you please be so kind as to send a group invite to [email protected] and once they have joined please make them a moderator of this group (it may take up to a week). 开云体育 will then COPY and transfer all group data to the new groups.io group..
They will not change anything on the page, only copy date and send invites to our current members. I will also make you the moderator of the new group if you wish.
Thank you, Ryan?
Dirt_Detroit,Mi_Hull#3
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yahoo groups coming to an end!
I have not seen anyone in this group post about this yet. What are our plans??
As of December 14?all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed.?
I have payed for ($110) and created a new group on groups.io (this is what most groups are doing to save their data) It is called s227yachts ([email protected])
TO THE GROUP OWNER OF THIS YAHOO GROUP!!
Would you please be so kind as to send a group invite to [email protected] and once they have joined please make them a moderator of this group (it may take up to a week). 开云体育 will then COPY and transfer all group data to the new groups.io group..
They will not change anything on the page, only copy date and send invites to our current members. I will also make you the moderator of the new group if you wish.
Thank you, Ryan?
Dirt_Detroit,Mi_Hull#3
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Yeah, I have a traveler that a previous owner and poster on this site installed. It works great and I tend to lock the sheet and play the traveler upwind, too. But, I really didn't like the setup of the main sheet, not so much because it used the starboard winch and is not close to the helm on port tack, but because of how it cleated on a horn cleat. I'd put a cam cleat under the winch but the compass was mounted there.
So, I just replaced it all and it sheets on the traveler like most boats.
On Thursday, September 19, 2019, 08:47:19 AM EDT, briannicholson@... [s227classassociation] wrote:
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My boat has a harken replacement traveler and its fantastic. We set the sheeting and play the traveler in gusts to keep the boat at a good heal and works wonderfully.?
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Yeah, I swapped it out for something more traditional.
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My boat has a harken replacement traveler and its fantastic. We set the sheeting and play the traveler in gusts to keep the boat at a good heal and works wonderfully.?
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Congratulations. I agree that main sheeting system looks like garbage
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Hello, all. I just purchased a 1986 S2 27 set up in the "cruising" layout. I'll be sailing in the middle Chesapeake Bay with the boat in a slip just off the Magothy River. We delivered it to its new home today in 8-12 SSW from Back Creek in Annapolis under the Bay Bridge and into the Magothy. It was a great sail and other than the main sheeting system I am really impressed with the boat.?
I'm looking forward to many more sails.
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Re: Source for rudder bearings?
Thanks, Doug, that's great information.? I am also glad to hear that your Raymarine autopilot had no issues with controlling the rudder after the installation.? I have an old Raymarine Autohelm ST 6000 that still works like a charm, so I'm glad to know that it's still likely to work well.
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Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80
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From: "Doug Hoffman dhoffman888@... [s227classassociation]" [s227classassociation@...]
Date: 04/08/2019 07:52 AM
To: "Doug Hoffman dhoffman888@... [s227classassociation]"
Subject: Re: [s227classassociation] Source for rudder bearings?
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Glad it helps. My sketch is poor. The dotted lines through the rudder gudgeon are supposed to represent the exact same diameter as the MC bushings OD ( 7/8"). All four bushings should be the same length (1-1/4 "). I know this sounds like the bottom bushings would then be too long because most of the bushing hangs below the bracket. But this extra length gives you more rigidity in the system because it helps prevent any "rocking" of the pins in the bushings. And the extra length of the lower bushings and extra length of the ss rudder pins doesn't hurt anything. Make measurements on your boat to assure that the pins won't hit anything and the sizes are all correct for your boat. As I recall the lower pin comes close to the rudder but does not hit.
The weight of the rudder is carried on the bottom flanges of the bushings, which is what you want. No wear of the steel gudgeons, only possible wear is on the replaceable flanged bushings.
I don't know if "oiled" bushings are needed. Looks like I used plain bronze. Your choice.
Again, the beauty of this installation is that everything is "drop in". No machining or cutting or drilling etc. And you can carry spare parts if you want for cheap, though I sailed two seasons on the Great Lakes and no perceptible slop developed. I used the standard Raymarine autopilot for tillers and the tight system enabled the autopilot to function perfectly.
-Doug
> On Apr 8, 2019, at 8:11 AM, 'Dave S.' uswa174@... [s227classassociation] wrote:
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> Thanks so much Doug. This is really helpful information, and it sounds like a great, long-term solution. Much appreciated!
> I hope you are enjoying your Cal 33.
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> Dave S.
> s/v Clio
> 1987 S2 27, hull #80
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Doug Hoffman dhoffman888@... [s227classassociation]" [s227classassociation@...]
> Date: 04/07/2019 12:58 AM
> To: s227classassociation@...
> Subject: Re: [s227classassociation] Source for rudder bearings?
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> I have been through this with my S2 27 which I no longer own.
>
> I don't believe original replacement bearings are available anywhere.
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> But what I did was as good or perhaps better than the original (plastic? delrin? other?) bearings.
>
> McMaster Carr has bronze oiled bushings and pins that will drop in and perfectly replace the factory bearings. I once did a detailed write-up and sketch for this group but I can't seem to find it. I also no longer have the paper drawings/files here at home as I purged those files awhile back (I'm sailing a Cal 33 now).
>
> You will need 4 bronze bushings from McMaster-Carr. You want the kind with a shoulder flange on the end. Carefully measure the metal gudgeon parts on your boat. Going strictly from memory I think they are 3/4" OD. I used the longest bushings they had. The weight of the rudder assy should rect on the bushing flanges. Assembly is a little tricky because the rudder is heavy. Look at what MC has and hopefully you will see how these bushings can be used. They are drop-in, no machining required, and relatively inexpensive. They made my rudder assy into a tight, no slop at all, perfectly functioning system. Important for obvious reasons and perhaps critical if using an autopilot.
>
> Sorry I can't give more detail. But hopefully this is enough information so you can piece it together.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Doug Hoffman
>
> > On Apr 6, 2019, at 9:38 PM, 'Dave S.' uswa174@... [s227classassociation] wrote:
> >
> >
> > Before I launch this spring, I would like to replace the bearings (bushings) on my 27's rudder. The rudder slop when sailing downwind is pretty noticeable.
> > Do any of you have a source for the bearings? I assume that they will simply press in.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --Dave
> >
> > 1987 S2 27, "Clio"
> > Hull #80
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Glad it helps. My sketch is poor. The dotted lines through the rudder gudgeon are supposed to represent the exact same diameter as the MC bushings OD ( 7/8"). All four bushings should be the same length (1-1/4 "). I know this sounds like the bottom bushings would then be too long because most of the bushing hangs below the bracket. But this extra length gives you more rigidity in the system because it helps prevent any "rocking" of the pins in the bushings. And the extra length of the lower bushings and extra length of the ss rudder pins doesn't hurt anything. Make measurements on your boat to assure that the pins won't hit anything and the sizes are all correct for your boat. As I recall the lower pin comes close to the rudder but does not hit.
The weight of the rudder is carried on the bottom flanges of the bushings, which is what you want. No wear of the steel gudgeons, only possible wear is on the replaceable flanged bushings.
I don't know if "oiled" bushings are needed. Looks like I used plain bronze. Your choice.
Again, the beauty of this installation is that everything is "drop in". No machining or cutting or drilling etc. And you can carry spare parts if you want for cheap, though I sailed two seasons on the Great Lakes and no perceptible slop developed. I used the standard Raymarine autopilot for tillers and the tight system enabled the autopilot to function perfectly.
-Doug
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On Apr 8, 2019, at 8:11 AM, 'Dave S.' uswa174@... [s227classassociation] <s227classassociation@...> wrote:
Thanks so much Doug. This is really helpful information, and it sounds like a great, long-term solution. Much appreciated!
I hope you are enjoying your Cal 33.
Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80
-----Original Message-----
From: "Doug Hoffman dhoffman888@... [s227classassociation]" [s227classassociation@...]
Date: 04/07/2019 12:58 AM
To: s227classassociation@...
Subject: Re: [s227classassociation] Source for rudder bearings?
I have been through this with my S2 27 which I no longer own.
I don't believe original replacement bearings are available anywhere.
But what I did was as good or perhaps better than the original (plastic? delrin? other?) bearings.
McMaster Carr has bronze oiled bushings and pins that will drop in and perfectly replace the factory bearings. I once did a detailed write-up and sketch for this group but I can't seem to find it. I also no longer have the paper drawings/files here at home as I purged those files awhile back (I'm sailing a Cal 33 now).
You will need 4 bronze bushings from McMaster-Carr. You want the kind with a shoulder flange on the end. Carefully measure the metal gudgeon parts on your boat. Going strictly from memory I think they are 3/4" OD. I used the longest bushings they had. The weight of the rudder assy should rect on the bushing flanges. Assembly is a little tricky because the rudder is heavy. Look at what MC has and hopefully you will see how these bushings can be used. They are drop-in, no machining required, and relatively inexpensive. They made my rudder assy into a tight, no slop at all, perfectly functioning system. Important for obvious reasons and perhaps critical if using an autopilot.
Sorry I can't give more detail. But hopefully this is enough information so you can piece it together.
Regards,
-Doug Hoffman
On Apr 6, 2019, at 9:38 PM, 'Dave S.' uswa174@... [s227classassociation] <s227classassociation@...> wrote:
Before I launch this spring, I would like to replace the bearings (bushings) on my 27's rudder. The rudder slop when sailing downwind is pretty noticeable.
Do any of you have a source for the bearings? I assume that they will simply press in.
Thanks.
--Dave
1987 S2 27, "Clio"
Hull #80
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Thanks so much Doug. This is really helpful information, and it sounds like a great, long-term solution. Much appreciated!
I hope you are enjoying your Cal 33.
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Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Doug Hoffman dhoffman888@... [s227classassociation]" [s227classassociation@...]
Date: 04/07/2019 12:58 AM
To: s227classassociation@...
Subject: Re: [s227classassociation] Source for rudder bearings?
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I have been through this with my S2 27 which I no longer own.
I don't believe original replacement bearings are available anywhere.
But what I did was as good or perhaps better than the original (plastic? delrin? other?) bearings.
McMaster Carr has bronze oiled bushings and pins that will drop in and perfectly replace the factory bearings. I once did a detailed write-up and sketch for this group but I can't seem to find it. I also no longer have the paper drawings/files here at home as I purged those files awhile back (I'm sailing a Cal 33 now).
You will need 4 bronze bushings from McMaster-Carr. You want the kind with a shoulder flange on the end. Carefully measure the metal gudgeon parts on your boat. Going strictly from memory I think they are 3/4" OD. I used the longest bushings they had. The weight of the rudder assy should rect on the bushing flanges. Assembly is a little tricky because the rudder is heavy. Look at what MC has and hopefully you will see how these bushings can be used. They are drop-in, no machining required, and relatively inexpensive. They made my rudder assy into a tight, no slop at all, perfectly functioning system. Important for obvious reasons and perhaps critical if using an autopilot.
Sorry I can't give more detail. But hopefully this is enough information so you can piece it together.
Regards,
-Doug Hoffman
> On Apr 6, 2019, at 9:38 PM, 'Dave S.' uswa174@... [s227classassociation] wrote:
>
>
> Before I launch this spring, I would like to replace the bearings (bushings) on my 27's rudder. The rudder slop when sailing downwind is pretty noticeable.
> Do any of you have a source for the bearings? I assume that they will simply press in.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Dave
>
> 1987 S2 27, "Clio"
> Hull #80
>
>
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Re: Source for rudder bearings?
After some digging I found a sketch I made and the McMaster-Carr part numbers/drawings.
I recall that it helped, when installing on the boat, to loosen the smallish through-bolts that hold the gudgeon brackets onto the rudder. I also spent some time with whitened epoxy to assure that the tiller bracket had no side-slop due to a loose fit on the rudder. Hope this stuff helps. I can tell you that it all worked great for me.
-Doug
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I have been through this with my S2 27 which I no longer own. I don't believe original replacement bearings are available anywhere. But what I did was as good or perhaps better than the original (plastic? delrin? other?) bearings. McMaster Carr has bronze oiled bushings and pins that will drop in and perfectly replace the factory bearings. ?I once did a detailed write-up and sketch for this group but I can't seem to find it. ?I also no longer have the paper drawings/files here at home as I purged those files awhile back (I'm sailing a Cal 33 now). You will need 4 bronze bushings from McMaster-Carr. ?You want the kind with a shoulder flange on the end. ?Carefully measure the metal gudgeon parts on your boat. Going strictly from memory I think they are 3/4" OD. ?I used the longest bushings they had. The weight of the rudder assy should rect on the bushing flanges. ?Assembly is a little tricky because the rudder is heavy. ?Look at what MC has and hopefully you will see how these bushings can be used. They are drop-in, no machining required, and relatively inexpensive. They made my rudder assy into a tight, no slop at all, perfectly functioning system. Important for obvious reasons and perhaps critical if using an autopilot. Sorry I can't give more detail. ?But hopefully this is enough information so you can piece it together. Regards, -Doug Hoffman On Apr 6, 2019, at 9:38 PM, 'Dave S.' uswa174@... [s227classassociation] <s227classassociation@...> wrote:
Before I launch this spring, I would like to replace the bearings (bushings) on my 27's rudder. ?The rudder slop when sailing downwind is pretty noticeable.
Do any of you have a source for the bearings? ?I assume that they will simply press in.
Thanks.
--Dave
1987 S2 27, "Clio"
Hull #80
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Re: Source for rudder bearings?
I have been through this with my S2 27 which I no longer own.
I don't believe original replacement bearings are available anywhere.
But what I did was as good or perhaps better than the original (plastic? delrin? other?) bearings.
McMaster Carr has bronze oiled bushings and pins that will drop in and perfectly replace the factory bearings. I once did a detailed write-up and sketch for this group but I can't seem to find it. I also no longer have the paper drawings/files here at home as I purged those files awhile back (I'm sailing a Cal 33 now).
You will need 4 bronze bushings from McMaster-Carr. You want the kind with a shoulder flange on the end. Carefully measure the metal gudgeon parts on your boat. Going strictly from memory I think they are 3/4" OD. I used the longest bushings they had. The weight of the rudder assy should rect on the bushing flanges. Assembly is a little tricky because the rudder is heavy. Look at what MC has and hopefully you will see how these bushings can be used. They are drop-in, no machining required, and relatively inexpensive. They made my rudder assy into a tight, no slop at all, perfectly functioning system. Important for obvious reasons and perhaps critical if using an autopilot.
Sorry I can't give more detail. But hopefully this is enough information so you can piece it together.
Regards,
-Doug Hoffman
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On Apr 6, 2019, at 9:38 PM, 'Dave S.' uswa174@... [s227classassociation] <s227classassociation@...> wrote:
Before I launch this spring, I would like to replace the bearings (bushings) on my 27's rudder. The rudder slop when sailing downwind is pretty noticeable.
Do any of you have a source for the bearings? I assume that they will simply press in.
Thanks.
--Dave
1987 S2 27, "Clio"
Hull #80
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