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AF Displays - Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor


 

The link to the department store layouts - Eureka Stores in Windber, PA has a photo of what appears to be a 5008 set with the Santa Fe 360, 361, and three aluminum streamlined passenger cars, all with unusual black trucks.? What is also strange is that the 360 A unit has the warbonnet paint scheme but the 361 B unit does not and is the simple solid sliver or chrome with no red painted stripes.??

The A unit in the Eureka photo may have the wire hand rails that came with some engines, but the B unit does not appear to have them.? However, Doyle's book on AF does not mention a wire hand-rail version with warbonnet paint, only without.

Usually the 362 combination of 360 and 361 came either with both units with the warbonnet paint, or neither, but not with one of each.? Is this a new variation or was Eureka mixing and matching?? It's strange that with the black trucks they'd have enough to mix and match if that's the case.??

Chris Harding


 

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Chris,

That photo is a very small section of a scanned 8x10 photo.? Fortunately the photo was sharp enough to enable it to be turned into a 25+ megapixel image that could be sectioned out.? On the actual photo the set takes up only about 1/2 inch of height, so it is hard to make any hard and fast conclusions from what we see other than it appears to be chrome, has black trucks and a warbonnet.?? Actually I am not sure what a warbonnet on a B unit would be other than the stripe at the bottom edge.? To me it looks pretty much like I would expect a matching B unit to look.?

As to Doyle's book, I don't think that it, or any guide book for that matter can be looked on as being authoritative.? He has some HO variations pictured with Aluminum, rather than steel white wall drivers, and makes no mention that it is a variation.? He apparently didn't notice, but gilbertho.org and its group of collector advisors did.? That is why it is important to consult a variety of sources.?? What one misses, another may catch.

We never know for sure what Gilbert produced until one pops up.?? It could be in the collection of someone who hasn't shared the information and enjoys having something that no one else knows exists.?

I think it is really amazing that this rare combination showed up in a little company store in a rural Pennsylvania coal mining town.?? This photo didn't appear to be identifiable until we did a little research on the store name and then started looking at the details.

Dale


On 4/24/2018 10:11 AM, Chris Harding wrote:

The link to the department store layouts - Eureka Stores in Windber, PA has a photo of what appears to be a 5008 set with the Santa Fe 360, 361, and three aluminum streamlined passenger cars, all with unusual black trucks.? What is also strange is that the 360 A unit has the warbonnet paint scheme but the 361 B unit does not and is the simple solid sliver or chrome with no red painted stripes.??

The A unit in the Eureka photo may have the wire hand rails that came with some engines, but the B unit does not appear to have them.? However, Doyle's book on AF does not mention a wire hand-rail version with warbonnet paint, only without.

Usually the 362 combination of 360 and 361 came either with both units with the warbonnet paint, or neither, but not with one of each.? Is this a new variation or was Eureka mixing and matching?? It's strange that with the black trucks they'd have enough to mix and match if that's the case.??

Chris Harding

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