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In general. Thoughts?
What about these (Forney frame). 4 driving wheels leaves something to be desired. About 5" long, nearly 1" wheelbase. The frame could be cut down obviously. Any possibility beyond a 0-4-0t/2-4-0/0-4-2t switcher or such?
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On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 10:58:00 AM PDT, Chris Fauxturkey via groups.io <skogkatt007@...> wrote:
In general. Thoughts?
What about these (Forney frame). 4 driving wheels leaves something to be desired. About 5" long, nearly 1" wheelbase. The frame could be cut down obviously. Any possibility beyond a 0-4-0t/2-4-0/0-4-2t switcher or such? ==============
Here's what I did with the Forney On3 frames...? Two AF Reading cabooses too...
-- Dick Karnes, MMR
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Pretty interesting Dick.
It just occurred to me this morning how similar certain industrial 4-4-0s were to Forneys. Like the Bachmann On30 specimens. I have to wonder if there were standard gauge variants. I'll need to investigate.
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Well there's Forneys and then there's not Forneys. And yes they were available in all gauges.
There was some suburban locomotives that looked a lot like Forneys but of course aren't and neither ware Mason Bogies. Forneys or originally designed to run tail first hence no lead wheel, the tender truck acted as a lead wheel.
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It just occurred to me this morning how similar certain industrial 4-4-0s were to Forneys. Like the Bachmann On30 specimens. I have to wonder if there were standard gauge variants. I'll need to investigate.
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On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 06:02 AM, Chris Fauxturkey wrote:
It just occurred to me this morning how similar certain industrial 4-4-0s were to Forneys. Like the Bachmann On30 specimens. I have to wonder if there were standard gauge variants. I'll need to investigate.
Well, the Illinois Central had 2-4-4T's (similar the the Bachmann On30 model, but bigger) and 2-4-6T's for suburban service.? Before electrification, transit elevated transit lines in Chicago, New York City and Boston used the 4-4-0RT Forneys.? A true Forney has a totally rigid frame and the main driver is blind. Rich G(ajnak)
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Grand Trunk had 2-4-4T's in Montreal Suburban service till the coming of larger 4-6-4T engines. They found their way to the Thousand Islands Railway in Gananoque. CNR scrapped them the 40's.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 1:39?PM Rich Gajnak via <rustytraque= [email protected]> wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 06:02 AM, Chris Fauxturkey wrote:
It just occurred to me this morning how similar certain industrial 4-4-0s were to Forneys. Like the Bachmann On30 specimens. I have to wonder if there were standard gauge variants. I'll need to investigate.
Well, the Illinois Central had 2-4-4T's (similar the the Bachmann On30 model, but bigger) and 2-4-6T's for suburban service.? Before electrification, transit elevated transit lines in Chicago, New York City and Boston used the 4-4-0RT Forneys.? A true Forney has a totally rigid frame and the main driver is blind.
Rich G(ajnak)
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Hi Rich, The little green boiler I posted pictures of is a model for a NY elevated line.?  Mike Swederska?
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On Jun 17, 2024, at 1:26?PM, Daniel McConnachie via groups.io <mcconnachie.daniel@...> wrote:
? Grand Trunk had 2-4-4T's in Montreal Suburban service till the coming of larger 4-6-4T engines. They found their way to the Thousand Islands Railway in Gananoque. CNR scrapped them the 40's.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 1:39?PM Rich Gajnak via <rustytraque= [email protected]> wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 06:02 AM, Chris Fauxturkey wrote:
It just occurred to me this morning how similar certain industrial 4-4-0s were to Forneys. Like the Bachmann On30 specimens. I have to wonder if there were standard gauge variants. I'll need to investigate.
Well, the Illinois Central had 2-4-4T's (similar the the Bachmann On30 model, but bigger) and 2-4-6T's for suburban service.? Before electrification, transit elevated transit lines in Chicago, New York City and Boston used the 4-4-0RT Forneys.? A true Forney has a totally rigid frame and the main driver is blind.
Rich G(ajnak)
Daniel McConnachie
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I'm aware there were standard gauge Forneys. My messagebwas worded awkwardly. I was curious if there was a standard gauge version of the 4-4-0 made for On30 by Bachmann. The forney frame might need to be elongated. But seemingly was a good fit for such a loco (see attached).
I love the spindly look of the Bachmann. I had previously thought I hadn't seen such a loco.prior. But I suppose it isn't all that different fromnthe Mt. Gretna 4-4-0 (just more spindly).
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Actually, it's the inside frame Bachmann On30 4-4-0's are pretty close to the Mt. Gretna locos.
Rich G(ajnak)
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Very doubtful; the Bachmann On30 4-4-0 was based on the two-foot Mt Gretna locomotives, far too small for any standard gage prototype.
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I'm aware there were standard gauge Forneys. My messagebwas worded awkwardly. I was curious if there was a standard gauge version of the 4-4-0 made for On30 by Bachmann. The forney frame might need to be elongated. But seemingly was a
good fit for such a loco (see attached).
I love the spindly look of the Bachmann. I had previously thought I hadn't seen such a loco.prior. But I suppose it isn't all that different fromnthe Mt. Gretna 4-4-0 (just more spindly).
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From:?Chris Fauxturkey
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:56:52 PDT?
. . . I was curious if there was?a standard gauge version of the 4-4-0 made for On30 by Bachmann. . .
The NASG Dispatch magazine published Bob Stelmach's article on converting the Bachman?On30?2-6-0 to S Gauge that may serve your purpose. Here’s the link to the issue:
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--? Bill Roberts, Receiver San Antonio & Aransas Pass Railway Co.
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Passengers destined for Bandera, Fredericksburg, Junction City or Brownsville connect with stages at Boerne, Comfort, Kerrville or Alice, respectively.
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Dick,? I love everything about your photos.??
On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 10:58:00 AM PDT, Chris Fauxturkey via groups.io <skogkatt007@...> wrote:
In general. Thoughts?
What about these (Forney frame). 4 driving wheels leaves something to be desired. About 5" long, nearly 1" wheelbase. The frame could be cut down obviously. Any possibility beyond a 0-4-0t/2-4-0/0-4-2t switcher or such? ==============
Here's what I did with the Forney On3 frames...? Two AF Reading cabooses too...
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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Still very confused by your question. Do you have an On30 narrow gauge model you are wanting to convert to an S scale standard gauge locomotive? Bachmann makes a Forney and also 2 different 4-4-0 locomotives, one inside frame and one outside frame. You posted a photo of the outside frame locomotive which is based on a Brazil prototype, the inside frame model may be close to the Mount Gretna loco.
Ian McKinley
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On 6/17/2024 1:56 PM, Chris Fauxturkey via groups.io wrote: I'm aware there were standard gauge Forneys. My messagebwas worded awkwardly. I was curious if there was a standard gauge version of the 4-4-0 made for On30 by Bachmann. The forney frame might need to be elongated. But seemingly was a good fit for such a loco (see attached).
I love the spindly look of the Bachmann. I had previously thought I hadn't seen such a loco.prior. But I suppose it isn't all that different fromnthe Mt. Gretna 4-4-0 (just more spindly).
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That was never my intent. I said in so many words the forney frame seemed like it was a reasonable fit for the prototype represented by the 0-4-0. And not knowimg it's origin, I pondered whether there was a standard gauge equivalent, as so many ng/industrial type locos have. I hadn't realized it's closeness in appearance to the MGNG engine. They're probably too small to have standard gauge versions. Anyway I happen to love the look of that 4-4-0, syrait boiler, all spindly looking. Would love to perhaps build one for S, if it were practical.
I uses to have one of those 4-4-0 engine. Got it cheap on clearance, about 100$. And sold it, sorry I did. I had a 2-6-0 (set) many years ago, and although I still like the coaches, the engine I had no use for. I'm not a big proponent of that type of kitbashing anyway, imo not worth it. But a frame is just a frame, perhaps a good starting point.
On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 07:40:24 PM EDT, Bill Roberts <bill@...> wrote:
From:?Chris Fauxturkey
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:56:52 PDT?
. . . I was curious if there was?a standard gauge version of the 4-4-0 made for On30 by Bachmann. . .
The NASG Dispatch magazine published Bob Stelmach's article on converting the Bachman?On30?2-6-0 to S Gauge that may serve your purpose. Here’s the link to the issue:
<> --? Bill Roberts, Receiver San Antonio & Aransas Pass Railway Co.
* * * Notice to travelers * * *
Passengers destined for Bandera, Fredericksburg, Junction City or Brownsville connect with stages at Boerne, Comfort, Kerrville or Alice, respectively.
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I found a spanish language wikipedia page for this engine (but not exactly), with a nice drawimg. It's actually for a 4-6-0. Anyone know a source of plans for these diminutive US made narrow gauge locos (the majority of which ran in central and south america it seems). I used to have a book called Mexican Narrow Gauge, but I must have sold it or something, and it may not have had any plans.
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