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Re: Where would you retire?
Retire?
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Re: Paint for airbrushing
I can't help you re: water based paint as my only experience (years ago) was a disaster.? Nothing but beading into blobs no matter how much I cleaned the surface.? I've always been a Floquil user, going back to my teen years when an employee at Universal Hobbies in Ft. Lauderdale sold me a Binks compressor (which I still use) and my first Binks airbrush kit.? I've run a Paasche H for the past 15+ years and it's a great unit.
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I completely understand the smell and mess that lacquer based paints require.? Since my shop is also my office, smell is a BIG concern.? I've been using the fold-up paint booth sold by MicroMark for several years and love it.? Lots of room, good air flow, easily set up and collapsed into a briefcase size for simple storage.? When I need a specific color, I still use my stash of Floquil with off-the-shelf lacquer thinner.? This is mostly for Grimy Black.? When the color isn't critical, I really like Dupli-Color primers that can be bought in rattle cans at auto supply stores or Amazon (in 6-packs).? They are convenient but don't cover well in tight corners, just like you'd expect with rattle can nozzles.? I've been spraying the cans into Paasche bottles, no thinner required, and get a great coverage using 18psi from my now-51-year-old compressor.? Dupli-Color offers several shades ... their grey is a great color for generic covered hopper color and the oxide red works well for boxcar red since I also weather cars when done.? Dupli-Color dries flat and, while gloss can be added (I don't know which brand would work), I find it easier to apply gloss separately.? Dupli-Color's Acrylic Lacquer (no thinner) does a great job.? The last coat (dull) is Rust-Oleum Frosted Glass which provides a great base for weathering powders.
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None of this might be of use to you, Michael, but don't give up on lacquer/solvent-based paints just yet.? Check out the MicroMark portable spray booth, which does require a standard "drier vent" accordion tube connection between the blower and outside.? Dupli-Color and Rust-Oleum cans are available in many stores and are "relatively" inexpensive (compared to buying small hobby bottles and having them dry out before you get halfway thru).
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Jim King |
Re: Paint for airbrushing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAlthough it's been tough giving up the
smell of Floquil at times, I adventured out to the Badger paints
that are great but mostly they seem to a one shot thing--air seems
to render them troublesome.? I've tried many others that have
worked...but as much of my brass was colored I used them less.?
Then a year or two back I was given a
mess of various paints...? Some Scale Coat, lot's of Floquil, some
Tamiya and a couple of others, But then I started to use the PBL's
Star Brand and Valavio... in those tiny bottles (I find them great
for hand brushing figures etc).?
So now I'm having issues with doing a
complete project with using a single source of paint.? Then I've
had great problems with nozzles with the spray cans too.? For
primer, I use a commercial grade product but I fear it might have
aged out--but dropping $60 for a couple of cans gets tough for
those are frugally impaired!? Again my memory says Floquil at 60
cents was ideal!?
Bob Werre (aka-Earl Schieb's second
cousin--"I'll paint any car for $39.95")
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Re: Where would you retire?
I grew up in a suburb of Chicago (Oak Park) and when it comes to trains, real or model, I think that area has a lot of advantages. There are still some decent hobby shops there (Desplaines Hobbies being one of them - probably an extra plus for S scale fans).? But shops have been closing one by one over the years like everywhere.? Al's hobbies in Elmhurst gone.? Chicagoland Hobbies gone.? All-Nation Hobby Shop loooong gone. Plenty of prototype railroading all over the area. Good rail museums.? Especially the Illinois Railway Museum which is positively huge and has everything and the Fox River Trolley Museum for traction fans.? And various small ones like in Mendota. A good railroad hub if you want to take train rides out and back to anywhere.? Or ride the L to downtown.? Or ride any of the Metra trains (the bilevel push pull trains that radiate from Chicago.) If wanting to build a layout in a basement, a lot of basements exist (unlike in California where I live now).? And many of them have been finished and just begging to house a model railroad. If choosing the right suburb, nice polite living but still with access to a major city. One of the country's biggest train show swap meets in DuPage county. Quite a few model railroad clubs. The "Illinois Live Steamers" (if you like that sort of thing) is in Homer Glen which is not too far outside of Chicago.? They have 3/4", 1", and 1 1/2" scale tracks. There is the Pullman district and its museum. The huge and fairly new HO layout at the Griffin Museum of Science and Industry (formerly the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry - Ken Griffin donated 125 million and I guess that's enough to get your name on the place.? My $100 donation wasn't quite enough, I guess).? This HO layout replaces the "Museum and Santa Fe" O scale layout done by Minton Cronkite that had been there for many years and I'm sure some on this list had seen.? The density of rail fans and model railroaders is quite high if you like camaraderie.? Probably equaled only by some areas in the east. If you want to volunteer for something, the choices are endless. However, there IS this thing called "winter" that they have. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 08:43:57 AM PDT, William Winans via groups.io <3w2scalesonly@...> wrote:
Hi Phil -- As you know, I live just south and 2000 feet lower than you here in Prescott Valley, AZ.? ?Having been in every state and lived in most regions of the?US long enough to know better, THIS area is the place -- contrary to Bringham Young's statement about the Salt Lake area.? ?While the best thing we have is a Hobby Lobby???, there are shops in the Phoenix area (100 miles away) that will order anything I want that is NOT related to scale S, except Kadee S scale couplers.? ?With the demise of the local hobby shop, email order to the manufacturer/distributor has become the law of the?land,?so making that a primary reason to locate somewhere is not really a good idea.? Moderate weather and?NO salt on the roads (still four seasons!) and cost of living are more important (as my son has found out by living in the midwest, salted roads equate to a huge cost of living when you have to buy a new?car every few?years...).? ?We moved here at the perfect time, so those goals were met.? Housing costs have risen sharply where I live (good for me, bad for newcomers) and I have had several folks saying they wish they could live here, but can't buy in.? Obviously, you can't blast us out of here even with dynamite,?nuclear?war maybe. Best wishes?to everyone!? ? ?? Bill Winans -----------------------------
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Re: Where would you retire?
Hi Phil -- As you know, I live just south and 2000 feet lower than you here in Prescott Valley, AZ.? ?Having been in every state and lived in most regions of the?US long enough to know better, THIS area is the place -- contrary to Bringham Young's statement about the Salt Lake area.? ?While the best thing we have is a Hobby Lobby???, there are shops in the Phoenix area (100 miles away) that will order anything I want that is NOT related to scale S, except Kadee S scale couplers.? ?With the demise of the local hobby shop, email order to the manufacturer/distributor has become the law of the?land,?so making that a primary reason to locate somewhere is not really a good idea.? Moderate weather and?NO salt on the roads (still four seasons!) and cost of living are more important (as my son has found out by living in the midwest, salted roads equate to a huge cost of living when you have to buy a new?car every few?years...).? ?We moved here at the perfect time, so those goals were met.? Housing costs have risen sharply where I live (good for me, bad for newcomers) and I have had several folks saying they wish they could live here, but can't buy in.? Obviously, you can't blast us out of here even with dynamite,?nuclear?war maybe. Best wishes?to everyone!? ? ?? Bill Winans -----------------------------
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Re: Where would you retire?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýPhil?
You are speaking as if the world stays
the way it was often just yesterday!? When I moved down here to
Houston, I had been laid off right at the start of the Nixon era
Arab oil embargo.? My intention after finding another position was
to get additional work experience and then move on, perhaps back
to the upper Midwest.? At that time I had little interest in the
model RR part of life, but to get experiences in the photo world
working in an enclosed studio to working off shore via helicopter
in the oil business, then shooting corporate work, then real
estate, then bio-medical.? So just like any si-fi movie, all you
need is some stray 'virus' and it will grab hold of you!
Eventually, I bought a MR, found a
local hobby shop and rediscovered that S in any form was still
around.? From there I found a rag-tag bunch of S heads, some good
hobby shops and life was becoming pretty good.?? Despite being
only a few members I stuck like super glue as we had weekly
gatherings at Jack Troxell's garage/layout/workshop.? At that
time, guys from around the country (Lee Johnston in particular)
would plan his sales trips to blend with our Thursday evenings.?
All this eventually lead to the point where a real land based home
and an additional for a RR room was in the works.? That addition
was largely home built, likewise my better half got a kitchen
addition (big DOLLARS).? The lesson here was that it might have
been better to relocate to a better/larger home earlier, however
at that time interest rates for new homes were out of site so we
had to shop for older loans we could assume!? However as the oil
business changed +-, the price of homes changed radically by many
XXX over the years!
So life changes often, from other
factors well beyond our control!? If I had to relocate now, I'd be
looking at some of the railroads and modelers I've visited over
the years--Jess Bennett, up in the wilds of Idaho was my favorite,
but that has changed too.? With the loss of much of our group, the
hobby shops, our museums plus advancing age. that circle of
influence is taking hits, but my 'virus' seems to have engulfed
most of my RR world to the point where 'living' in a newer place
isn't going to happen!? My wife just buried one of our new baby
cats (roaming dogs)? but there is probably some room left for me!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
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Re: Where would you retire?
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A legitimate question, and one worthy of discussion (here we go, down the chatlist rabbit hole), although as you suggest, I am not going to move again in this lifetime, except feet-first.? When I was serving my last church in Minnesota (accepted a call there
so my late wife could be mistreated at Mayo Clinic) already passing through my sixties, I could have afforded to retire anywhere but didn't want to have to relocate more than the once, so gave the matter considerable thought.? Despite the presence of an active
group of S scalers in the Twin Cities and as good a hobby shop in St Paul as one can now find in these degraded days, (and at least two pretty decent museums in the state) it was not only the miserable climate that deterred me (I am an old Yankee from New
York State where awful winters are customary and have lived in interior Alaska) but the social attitude that pervaded (aka "Minnesota Nice").? I have been a curmudgeon most of my life and feel no call to jump on the Scandanavian overconcern for the welfare
of the underprivileged.? In spite of that, I still think Tim Walz is a good guy and would have been a better choice than a majority of US voters did.? Similarly, it was not just the winters in New York State that I remembered too well, but the high taxes and
high busybodyness generated by the toads from NYC who run the entire state that ruled that out.
I don't play golf or tennis, and the Sunbelt is too far from most other places I'd care to visit (I was stationed in San Antonio for almost two years, and that was enough); I realized I simply wasn't a Sunbelt type of person.? That pretty much meant the mid-South,
particularly western North Carolina or east Tennessee, perhaps southwestern Virginia or Piedmont South Carolina (my second church was in Charleston, but the summers are pretty dreadful, and too many tourists and retirees since I was there have changed too
many things since I was there a very long time ago).??
I ended up in Asheville and don't [mostly] regret that choice.? Moving here has become increasingly expensive and crowded because too many other people want to visit (tourists=parasites) or retire here, having ruined where they formerly lived, and the actual
City of Asheville is run by the same sort of self-important activists who ruled out Minnesota and New York State for me.? Outside of the City proper, western North Carolina is pretty much what I expected.? There is a very active club in nearby Hendersonville
(albeit HO) serving a goodly number of serious model railroaders, most of whom are retirees from elsewhere.? For S scalers, Larry Morton, long-time owner of Tomalco track lives there, as did the late Doug Miller; Scott Lister and the late Chris Elliot live
over the state line in SC, and there are a few others.? NC taxes, while not insignificant, are still far better than most other places I've lived.
If I had it to do over again, I might have looked harder across at east Tennessee, where taxes are even lower, perhaps not quite so many tourists and well-off retirees and arty types as Asheville.? Like Asheville, Johnson City has a VA hospital¡ªas a disabled
veteran I choose to get almost all of my health care there, at least before the current administration began ruining it.? There is a good model railroad club there and a museum at ETSU.? Chattanooga has the TVRR museum and a nice climate, as well.? But I am
not going to relocate at my age. Plus, in moving to Asheville I met my current wife, which has worked out very well.
Jace Kahn
? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of pscandura via groups.io <pascandura@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 9:23 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [S-Scale] Where would you retire? ?
I realize that many of us on the list are already retired or semi-retired. Most likely, we're living in the last place we expect to live - no moves on the horizon. But... if you were to move again, or you haven't quite retired and are looking at places
to move, where would you go that is "attractive" to model railroaders and train lovers? Where would you go that is rich in railroad lore, railroad history, railroad clubs/museums/tourist roads, and hobby shops?
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This is the type of discussion I have with my wife, from time to time, wrt her love of quilting. We've already identified some potential areas, but nothing there speaks to the railroad question.
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Public replies are appreciated, because I'd like others to see what you have to contribute.
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Thanks!
Phil Scandura
Flagstaff, AZ
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Where would you retire?
I realize that many of us on the list are already retired or semi-retired. Most likely, we're living in the last place we expect to live - no moves on the horizon. But... if you were to move again, or you haven't quite retired and are looking at places to move, where would you go that is "attractive" to model railroaders and train lovers? Where would you go that is rich in railroad lore, railroad history, railroad clubs/museums/tourist roads, and hobby shops?
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This is the type of discussion I have with my wife, from time to time, wrt her love of quilting. We've already identified some potential areas, but nothing there speaks to the railroad question.
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Public replies are appreciated, because I'd like others to see what you have to contribute.
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Thanks!
Phil Scandura
Flagstaff, AZ |
Re: Paint for airbrushing
Hi all -- Rumor has it that TruColor has been forced to discontinue spray cans.? ?I have not verified this.? ?The rumor indicated that the business that filled the spray cans raised their?prices so high that TruColor had to decline.? ?Perhaps they have?found another outfit to do the job, but the original one had a really?fine spray pattern... Bill Winans? ? |
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Jim King
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-- Jim King |
Re: Paint for airbrushing
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If I have a choice as to color, I also tend to use the Tamiya spray cans.? Their superfine gray primer is my standard for most covered hopper cars.? As others have noted, a lacquer is far better for our purposes than an enamel, which rarely dries entirely (or
VERY slowly) and doesn't bond to the surface as well.? It is not cheap but not excessively costly either.
Jace Kahn
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of J. Kindraka via groups.io <kindrakaj@...>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2025 3:30 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Paint for airbrushing ?
I can still buy Testor's in 3 oz. rattle cans, or at least I could the last time I needed any.? I don't use anyone's paint exclusively and still have a bunch of bottle paint for the airbrush.? I do use rattle cans for priming, over-sprays, one-offs, small
jobs, etc.; mostly Testors, Model Master and now Tamiya.? I have come to really like the color palette of the Tamiya paints (and their paint masking supplies!).? It is not inexpensive but, IMHO, the ease of use, color brightness and adherence are worth a few
bucks more.??
As a contemporary modeler, I don't worry much about "railroad" colors or complex multicolor E units and 40' boxcars, although I've observed color is beginning to return (photos attached) on the prototype - in the form of international container boxes!?
I am certainly not as accomplished at painting as some members of this list, but I can hold my own.? Attached is a photo of a coil cover (3D resin) I masked and painted several years ago.? I know it was done with 3 oz. rattle cans and Tamiya masking materials,
but I am at a loss to remember whose paint I used.
Jim Kindraka
Grand Rapids, MI
On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 1:34?PM Bud Rindfleisch via
<BlackDiamondRR=[email protected]> wrote:
Recently someone asked if there are any small aerosol paints like the old Testors. I¡¯ve gotten Krylon ¡°Short Shots¡± in Hobby Lobby, same small cans, no railroad colors but I use a lot of the flat black, $3.99 ea. |
Re: Paint for airbrushing
On masking, I thought I'd slip in a little trick to prevent bleed under of the second color that perhaps not everyone already knows. After masking, spray along the edge of the masking with the first color (same color that is under the masking tape).? This makes a seal that prevents the second color from wicking under the masking tape.? Then spray the second color. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 01:44:40 PM PDT, Brooks Stover via groups.io <bcstover@...> wrote:
Jim,
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I've had the same excellent experience with Tamiya rattle can spray paint as you've had.? ?IMO they are the best rattle cans I've ever used.? ?The paint atomizes better that even old Floquil aersols did, especially if you warm the can in a tray of warm water.? ?And, the spray is as good at the end of the can as at the beginning.? I've never had a can that spray drops nor ever had a nozzle clog even after several uses.? They cover wonderfully with or without Tamiya's excellent primer.? But what I like most is that the paint dries incredibly fast...I mean like in 15 minutes.? ?I assume that maybe that's because the paints are lacquer.? Tamiya's TS line has lots of colors though none are railroad specific.? They also have an AS line with is military aircraft colors...muted greys and greens and browns.? ?No retail store near me carries the paint so I buy it on line.
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I'm also now using Tamiya masking tape exclusively.? I'm assuming their tape is formulated to go with their paints but I've never had the tape pull up the paint.? The tape makes a superb edge and it comes in many widths including a 2mm 'flexible' version for masking curves.??
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I'm trying desperately to learn to use acrylics and have settled on Vallejo brand.? But so far I have not been able to make it stick well even to primed surfaces nor when overcoated so use it only for details that won't be handled....interiors, figures, barrels, or motor vehicles.? It works fine on wood as it's partially absorbed.
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Brooks Stover
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Re: Paint for airbrushing
Jim,
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I've had the same excellent experience with Tamiya rattle can spray paint as you've had.? ?IMO they are the best rattle cans I've ever used.? ?The paint atomizes better that even old Floquil aersols did, especially if you warm the can in a tray of warm water.? ?And, the spray is as good at the end of the can as at the beginning.? I've never had a can that spray drops nor ever had a nozzle clog even after several uses.? They cover wonderfully with or without Tamiya's excellent primer.? But what I like most is that the paint dries incredibly fast...I mean like in 15 minutes.? ?I assume that maybe that's because the paints are lacquer.? Tamiya's TS line has lots of colors though none are railroad specific.? They also have an AS line with is military aircraft colors...muted greys and greens and browns.? ?No retail store near me carries the paint so I buy it on line.
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I'm also now using Tamiya masking tape exclusively.? I'm assuming their tape is formulated to go with their paints but I've never had the tape pull up the paint.? The tape makes a superb edge and it comes in many widths including a 2mm 'flexible' version for masking curves.??
?
I'm trying desperately to learn to use acrylics and have settled on Vallejo brand.? But so far I have not been able to make it stick well even to primed surfaces nor when overcoated so use it only for details that won't be handled....interiors, figures, barrels, or motor vehicles.? It works fine on wood as it's partially absorbed.
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Brooks Stover |
Re: Paint for airbrushing
I can still buy Testor's in 3 oz. rattle cans, or at least I could the last time I needed any.? I don't use anyone's paint exclusively and still have a bunch of bottle paint for the airbrush.? I do use rattle cans for priming, over-sprays, one-offs, small jobs, etc.; mostly Testors, Model Master and now Tamiya.?
I have come to really like the color palette of the Tamiya paints (and
their paint masking supplies!).? It is not inexpensive but, IMHO, the ease of use, color brightness and
adherence are worth a few bucks more.??
As a contemporary modeler, I don't worry much about "railroad" colors or complex multicolor E units and 40' boxcars, although I've observed color is beginning to return (photos attached) on the prototype - in the form of international container boxes!? I am certainly not as accomplished at painting as some members of this list, but I can hold my own.? Attached is a photo of a coil cover (3D resin) I masked and painted several years ago.? I know it was done with 3 oz. rattle cans and Tamiya masking materials, but I am at a loss to remember whose paint I used. Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 1:34?PM Bud Rindfleisch via <BlackDiamondRR=[email protected]> wrote: Recently someone asked if there are any small aerosol paints like the old Testors. I¡¯ve gotten Krylon ¡°Short Shots¡± in Hobby Lobby, same small cans, no railroad colors but I use a lot of the flat black, $3.99 ea. |
Re: Paint for airbrushing
Tru color has some railroad colors in spray cans. They have a large selection of railroad colors for spray guns Stephen J Kutash 203 906-5116 (Cell) On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 1:34?PM Bud Rindfleisch via <BlackDiamondRR=[email protected]> wrote: Recently someone asked if there are any small aerosol paints like the old Testors. I¡¯ve gotten Krylon ¡°Short Shots¡± in Hobby Lobby, same small cans, no railroad colors but I use a lot of the flat black, $3.99 ea. |
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