Code 83 for mainline in 1923
Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Mn42 in 1923
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On 07February2025, at 18:25, Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast@...> wrote:
curiousity question
what all are you uns using code 83 for
I expect to use it for sidings and yard
code 100 for mainline
maybe some code 70 for industrial
Ted Larson
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American Models track update
I spent a little time at American Models on Wednesday.? I picked up some flex track and switches.? (code 148)? I asked about their stock of both and was told they have alot of each.? I was told they had assembled several new switches this week.? Not sure if or when the quantities will be updated on the website.
Conclusion:? There is a source for new track and switches.? S is not dead.
-Austin
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curiousity question what all are you uns using code 83 for I expect to use it for sidings and yard code 100 for mainline maybe some code 70 for industrial?
Ted Larson -- Ted Larson trainweb.org/mhrr/??????? --------??????? NASG.org??????? --------??????? GN in 1965
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I guess all this mess is my fault but
it is apparent that the issues I had are evident along with others
by others.? I just wanted to compare notes with others for the
most part.? Sorry bout that!
However, I do have interpretation
issues with some of the instructions--that's why couples sometimes
get divorced, but fellow modelers will find a solution!
Over the years I've worked with many
clients of all kinds in compiling instruction manuals and methods
leading to suitable results.? As an example, I just saw a news
report of a patient who has received a transplanted kidney from a
pig.? I was involved in that sort of research 25 years ago--they
were just starting research at that time.? Then I worked on a
lengthy service manual for a Wire-line truck for the oil fields.?
We nearly tore a truck apart--by the way they also had a couple of
Russian made trucks for a different firm.? That client had
problems repairing the trucks from Freightliner- & Mack-the
Russian versions were more familiar to their guys and simpler!?
So when we get into digital
media--wow.? As a photographer, if I saved all my old toys, I'd
have a boneyard of both PCs, Macs, and what was also hung on to
them.? Most don't work anymore and passwords have dissolved from
my mind.? However, I'm not going to purchase any new toys if I can
avoid them.? I'm typing this on a once high-end 27"IMac that was
given to me.? My repair guy was updating one of his clients, so he
had several dozen units that were now surplus--so he gave me
one--dumpster diving, I admit! Obviously they can't be updated but
at my age that's probably all I need!
Now my newest Mac Mini is close-by
upstairs but I have to crawl about 8' to get back and forth--and
that's not going to happen repeatedly either.? So my burner can
read the mini discs just fine.? But like you and Peter state, some
machines need to suck-in the disc.? My daughter was given a G3
laptop years ago that I thought might work, as it's small but the
CD is the sucking kind!, so no go!? Bring in another CD drive--now
I've got a too large system with several cords and whatever. And
don't get started on dried-out printers, & btw price that
ink!?
So I'm doing the best I can, but I also have several kits where an
xacto and glue will still work just fine too!
Bob Werre
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I find it extremely frustrating to read comments re: "hating
the discs" or not liking instructions because they are subject
to interpretation.? If you don't want to use the disc I provide
in each kit, now standard since the mid-2000s, don't use it.?
Technology is constantly changing and manufacturing costs will
NEVER return to what they were just a few years ago.? To offer
paper instructions, in color, is not going to happen.
?
The underlying culprit to these comments seems, to me, to be
outdated computer-related equipment and unwillingness to
"upgrade".? Am I to hold back the info provided in my kits to
reflect "ancient" office equipment?? Nope.? I consider a laptop
and "cheap" HP black & white laser printer, now available on
Amazon for just $120, to be gotta-have equipment, especially for
model building.? These are just as important as X-Acto knives
and glue.
?
If you don't want to invest in such equipment, which lasts
for MANY years without upgrades, that's your decision.? You can
take the CD to just about any office supply place, like UPS
Store or OfficeMax, to have the PDF instructions printed in
color for about 25 cents per double-sided sheet.? Of course,
you'll miss out on the 40+ prototype pix of the MILW box found
elsewhere on the disc ... all in universal JPEG format and
viewable on Apple or Windows just by clicking on them.? If you
don't possess a computer with horizontal disc tray, you can get
an external 5" (which also reads 3.5") drive/tray on Amazon for
$34 today, which can also be linked wirelessly to your computer
or tablet, both of which should be 100% portable.
?
5 inch CDs came out 43 years ago in 1982.? The 3.5 inch
"mini", which holds 200MB of info, debuted 10 years later from
SONY.? Flash-drives, which I'm considering as replacement for
the discs, are the current means of quick-and-simple information
transfer.? Gene Fusco (Rail Yard Models) was the first resin kit
manufacturer to use CDs in his kits because his instructions
often surpassed 80 pages.? I think I was the 2nd kit
manufacturer to adopt this because it became "obvious to me"
that SO MUCH info could be packed into a small space and the
mini's fit inside my kit boxes.? Where else are you going to get
all of the info you find on my kit disc without spending WEEKS
scouring online photo sources and scanning slides that I've
either shot, bought, traded, or otherwise collected since 1975?
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Jim King
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Re: Finescale wheelsets resource question
? Felix ? For the AF and KLINE cars you may be better/easier replacing the trucks not just the wheels. ? ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Peter is 100% correct.? Vertical drives won't work with a mini disc; ya gotta use a tray.?
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I have been 100% PC all my life and have no experience with Apple systems.? MACs were always considered to be better than PCs for writers, artists, etc.? PCs were for technical users, like design engineers (me :-)).? My friends and some customers who run MACs and related Apple hardware have told me about the vertical drives not accepting the mini discs.? I guess those are considered the ones that "suck in a disc"?? Since my world has always revolved around 3D design, specifically Solidworks, every system I've worked on, even going back to right out of college in the early 80s, was either a mainframe (for Intergraph 2.5D), or PC-based for CADRA (predecessor to Solidworks), then Solidworks, and since 2000, on laptops I've owned.? Apple didn't offer a Solidworks-compatible platform until much after I went solo.
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Jim King
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Mike,
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I referenced an external hard drive (with tray) option in my post that is sold on Amazon for $34 but just now found one (from Haiway, also sold on Amazon) with a 5" tray and burner for $30.? Power connection is same as a cell phone charger with multiple connection types so computer port not required.? Can also copy a disc's contents wirelessly thru a touchpad or mouse, to 2 types of flash drives, and a storage card like used in digital cameras.? Super versatile.? This is not just for copying instructions and photos ... it can be used to transfer videos from CDs that I'm sure all of us possess.?
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I would not recommend relying on CD of any diameter to store info long-term.? Typically, they only last up to 10 years then something goes corrupt which makes getting the info off of the disc problematic.? In today's e-world, flash drives and external hard drives (no trays), which cost as little as $80 with 2 terabytes of capacity, are preferred.? I'm gradually transferring all of my archived CAD files and related to portable hard drives made by Seagate, considered to be the best by several researchers (I have 2 of the 8 TB for photos and 2 of the 4 TB for lower resolution files ... scanned slides are 130mb each and, despite having scanned several thousand of my own plus a few thousand from friends, it still takes a LONG time to use even 1 TB, let alone 8).
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I was way low on color printing prices at a UPS-like store ... it's now $1 per single sided page according to Google search dated July 2024.? At 20 pages, that gets pricey which makes having digital access that much more attractive.? Printing sheets for 2 kits would cost $10 more than the $30 external drive I found on Amazon which is limitless in what it can do.
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Jim King
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One big problem with the mini CDs is that if you have a laptop computer that has a slide-in (sucks-it-in) slot to receive the 5" CDs (as opposed to a slide-out tray), it is not physically capable of handling the mini CD. When I had my laptop as my main computer, I could not load the SMMW mini CD because my laptop had one of those suck-it-in drives built-in. I had to use my wife's desktop computer to load it, copy it to a USB flashdrive, and then transfer that to my laptop.
The mini CD only works on physical drives that have a slide-out tray with an indentation built into them for the mini CD (most do of those do).
- Peter.
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On 02/07/2025 03:33 PM, Michael Lytle via groups.io wrote:
Jim & et al,
Most newer laptops do not come with CD drives or one can not be added as an extra BUT there are loads of external CD drives that can be added to any and all computers.
Several years ago I bought a very good Dell external drive for less than $45. I would venture a guess that the $45 is equivalent to two trips to Office Max or wherever to print in color two sets of instructions off of provided CDs.
Mike,
Ohio
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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
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Jim & et al, Most newer laptops do not come with CD drives or one can not be added as an extra BUT there are loads of external CD drives that can be added to any and all computers. Several years ago I bought a very good Dell external drive for less than $45. I would venture a guess that the $45 is equivalent to two trips to Office Max or wherever to print in color two sets of instructions off of provided CDs.? Mike, Ohio
I find it extremely frustrating to read comments re: "hating the discs" or not liking instructions because they are subject to interpretation.? If you don't want to use the disc I provide in each kit, now standard since the mid-2000s, don't use it.? Technology is constantly changing and manufacturing costs will NEVER return to what they were just a few years ago.? To offer paper instructions, in color, is not going to happen.
?
The underlying culprit to these comments seems, to me, to be outdated computer-related equipment and unwillingness to "upgrade".? Am I to hold back the info provided in my kits to reflect "ancient" office equipment?? Nope.? I consider a laptop and "cheap" HP black & white laser printer, now available on Amazon for just $120, to be gotta-have equipment, especially for model building.? These are just as important as X-Acto knives and glue.
?
If you don't want to invest in such equipment, which lasts for MANY years without upgrades, that's your decision.? You can take the CD to just about any office supply place, like UPS Store or OfficeMax, to have the PDF instructions printed in color for about 25 cents per double-sided sheet.? Of course, you'll miss out on the 40+ prototype pix of the MILW box found elsewhere on the disc ... all in universal JPEG format and viewable on Apple or Windows just by clicking on them.? If you don't possess a computer with horizontal disc tray, you can get an external 5" (which also reads 3.5") drive/tray on Amazon for $34 today, which can also be linked wirelessly to your computer or tablet, both of which should be 100% portable.
?
5 inch CDs came out 43 years ago in 1982.? The 3.5 inch "mini", which holds 200MB of info, debuted 10 years later from SONY.? Flash-drives, which I'm considering as replacement for the discs, are the current means of quick-and-simple information transfer.? Gene Fusco (Rail Yard Models) was the first resin kit manufacturer to use CDs in his kits because his instructions often surpassed 80 pages.? I think I was the 2nd kit manufacturer to adopt this because it became "obvious to me" that SO MUCH info could be packed into a small space and the mini's fit inside my kit boxes.? Where else are you going to get all of the info you find on my kit disc without spending WEEKS scouring online photo sources and scanning slides that I've either shot, bought, traded, or otherwise collected since 1975?
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Jim King
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I find it extremely frustrating to read comments re: "hating the discs" or not liking instructions because they are subject to interpretation.? If you don't want to use the disc I provide in each kit, now standard since the mid-2000s, don't use it.? Technology is constantly changing and manufacturing costs will NEVER return to what they were just a few years ago.? To offer paper instructions, in color, is not going to happen.
?
The underlying culprit to these comments seems, to me, to be outdated computer-related equipment and unwillingness to "upgrade".? Am I to hold back the info provided in my kits to reflect "ancient" office equipment?? Nope.? I consider a laptop and "cheap" HP black & white laser printer, now available on Amazon for just $120, to be gotta-have equipment, especially for model building.? These are just as important as X-Acto knives and glue.
?
If you don't want to invest in such equipment, which lasts for MANY years without upgrades, that's your decision.? You can take the CD to just about any office supply place, like UPS Store or OfficeMax, to have the PDF instructions printed in color for about 25 cents per double-sided sheet.? Of course, you'll miss out on the 40+ prototype pix of the MILW box found elsewhere on the disc ... all in universal JPEG format and viewable on Apple or Windows just by clicking on them.? If you don't possess a computer with horizontal disc tray, you can get an external 5" (which also reads 3.5") drive/tray on Amazon for $34 today, which can also be linked wirelessly to your computer or tablet, both of which should be 100% portable.
?
5 inch CDs came out 43 years ago in 1982.? The 3.5 inch "mini", which holds 200MB of info, debuted 10 years later from SONY.? Flash-drives, which I'm considering as replacement for the discs, are the current means of quick-and-simple information transfer.? Gene Fusco (Rail Yard Models) was the first resin kit manufacturer to use CDs in his kits because his instructions often surpassed 80 pages.? I think I was the 2nd kit manufacturer to adopt this because it became "obvious to me" that SO MUCH info could be packed into a small space and the mini's fit inside my kit boxes.? Where else are you going to get all of the info you find on my kit disc without spending WEEKS scouring online photo sources and scanning slides that I've either shot, bought, traded, or otherwise collected since 1975?
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Jim King
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Go to a UPS Store (or Office Max or similar) and have them print the PDF.
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Jim King
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Re: Finescale wheelsets resource question
Guys, since I could hardly be
considered a newcomer, I've had my problems with the vast variety
of both brass trucks and most everybody's passenger trucks.?
Obviously there are trucks/wheels that none of us have used for
even seen.? The only reference might be from an old issue of
3/16's S scale magazine.? I did the photo work, while I think Kent
Singer laid the words down.? Several new versions have appeared
since then.
Bob Werre
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Jim,
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Perhaps you and Roger could work with Peter and add
information on the website "WHEELS" page (below) to explain the
compatibility issues between wheels sets and trucks.? There's a
fair amount of information about wheelsets and axle lengths and
axle end forms on the page now but which wheelsets fit in which
manufacturers trucks isn't spelled out.? Ideally photos of the
commonly available trucks would be helpful.? I could photograph
AM, SHS, PRS and ACE trucks I have but I'm not sure I have scale
wheels to put in each.
?
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It's always interesting to see what questions arise from
newcomers to S...and how complex some of the issues newcomers
have to deal with can be.
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Brooks Stover
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Re: Finescale wheelsets resource question
Jim,
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Perhaps you and Roger could work with Peter and add information on the website "WHEELS" page (below) to explain the compatibility issues between wheels sets and trucks.? There's a fair amount of information about wheelsets and axle lengths and axle end forms on the page now but which wheelsets fit in which manufacturers trucks isn't spelled out.? Ideally photos of the commonly available trucks would be helpful.? I could photograph AM, SHS, PRS and ACE trucks I have but I'm not sure I have scale wheels to put in each.
?
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It's always interesting to see what questions arise from newcomers to S...and how complex some of the issues newcomers have to deal with can be.
?
Brooks Stover
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Re: Finescale wheelsets resource question
It may not be entirely clear from Roger's post, the issue is the length of the axles the wheels are mounted on.? They tend to vary over a range in S Scale.? NMRA does not have a 'Standard', only an 'RP' (Recommended Practice), and, IMHO, the RP for S Scale is a bit mushy.? A longer axle will roll poorly or even bind in a tighter truck, and conversely, a shorter axle can actually fail to center properly if the truck side frame spacing is too wide for it. ?
If at all possible, it is best to pair wheel sets to truck frames by manufacturer, or just plan to do a bit of filing or reaming to achieve better rolling quality.? I haven't bought wheel sets from NWSL in some time but they used to have a couple different SKU's for different axle length wheel sets to address this.??
Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 1:13?PM Roger Nulton wrote:
Felix, ? What brand of trucks are they? American Models wheelsets will not fit in S Helper or Pacific Rail Shops trucks. You need the correct Northwest Short Line wheelsets or S Helper Service. Part of the fun of S scale is the hunt for compatible wheels and track! ? Roger Nulton
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Count me in for some code 83 flex... it's all I ever use.
John D
I would buy Code 83 as I already have 50 sections of Code 83.? 20 I bought from Larry and 30 I bought from Shane.
Michael Osweiler
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On Feb 6, 2025, at 7:16 PM, Nick Kinnear via groups.io <nick.kinnear@...> wrote:
As would I.
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Roger
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There are issues with ebay that might make me inclined towards accepting Ed's offer.
Its Global Shipping has its own set of obscure rules that exempt some items. I double checked, I cannot get NWSL scale wheelsets through it, ebay just wont show them to me.
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Felix
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Re: Finescale wheelsets resource question
Thank you all.
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5 of 7 need new wheels, these are
2 SHS
1 AM
1 AF
1 K-Line
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See attached photo.
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Felix
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Re: Finescale wheelsets resource question
Hello Felix
I have some available out here in our "good old" European Union....
Will cost you way .... less than having them shipped from Los Gatos CA...
below pic of what I have.
Note all are 36", pointed axle, weathered, and most are Proto64 (ie XS flanges for top realism, but need proper track code for smooth operations)
Contact me with private meessage.
BR Philippe coquet France
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Well, as I stated on Facebook, the sale is not final, yet. The paperwork is in the works but NO, Tomalco Track IS NOT YET owned by Micro Engineering. So please stop sharing news that you are not 100% certain of.
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On 2/2/2025 9:08 PM, Bill Lane via groups.io wrote: Ron
Trust me I know what I am an talking about. *Tomalco track is now owned by Micro Engineering.*
1 of the things we are helping M E with is get a new website up. They are well aware their current website is greatly lacking¡..
Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
< My_Models.htm>
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
See my layout progress at:
< My_Layout.htm>
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <>
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
-- Shane Lambert Owner, CNW Waseca Sub in S Scale
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I would buy Code 83 as I already have 50 sections of Code 83.? 20 I bought from Larry and 30 I bought from Shane.
Michael Osweiler
Waseca
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On Feb 6, 2025, at 7:16 PM, Nick Kinnear via groups.io <nick.kinnear@...> wrote:
As would I.
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Nick Kinnear
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