Re: Any future S efforts....
Well since everything is a preorder nowadays anyway it seems Lionel could open it up for preorders stating that the project will only go forward if ¡°X¡± number of locomotives are ordered and then if enough interest is reached require a 50% deposit from those
people to assure the sales and make the run.?
My only gripe is that I don¡¯t want or need all the junk they have in those locomotives. They could save money by selling a stripped version rid of all the electronics and simply supply it with scale wheels, lights and motor. We¡¯re S scalers, so we can
do the rest!!! If they want to release with hirail wheels for those folks that would be fine to increase the run numbers, but offering a stripped version saving some money would be great. That¡¯s basically what American Models sells with their DC versions.
I ended up stripping those down too and starting over anyway. I suppose if they wanted to make it DCC ready that would be fine too with the harness built in and then purchasers could choose their own control system.?
Just my two cents.?
Jeff J
Michigan
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On Feb 2, 2025, at 19:31, Rich Gajnak via groups.io <rustytraque@...> wrote:
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On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 01:45 PM, Hans von Draminski wrote:
Rusty, if we could Lionel persuade to resurrect the "modern" rolling stock in scale versions we would surely benefit from that and they could have a return of invest for their efforts in the years between 2010 and 2015.
Lionel marches only to their own drumbeat.
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Re: Posting Only On Facebook
And there are scams associated with fake "friend" requests.? It gives the scammer access to your info and your list of friends.? A goal can be to send malware or phishing links to your real friends.
I have had recent "friend" requests from my lady friend who died in 2011 and my brother who died last May.? Unless Facebook has a longer reach than I think it has, they were certainly fake.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
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I have 100s of ¡°friends¡± I have never approved. That would be more of a time consumer than FB already is. ? Thank You,
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On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 01:45 PM, Hans von Draminski wrote:
Rusty, if we could Lionel persuade to resurrect the "modern" rolling stock in scale versions we would surely benefit from that and they could have a return of invest for their efforts in the years between 2010 and 2015.
Lionel marches only to their own drumbeat.
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Rich G(ajnak)
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Shane said he¡¯d announce a sale. Tomalco and Micro websites are silent. Until the check clears¡Reminds me of salesmen counting their commission before the product ships and is paid for. I hope you¡¯re right Bill.
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I have 100s of ¡°friends¡± I have never approved. That would be more of a time consumer than FB already is. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
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Tony ? Ready to use turnouts are already being developed by Pennsy S Models and Micro Engineering. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
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Re: Any future S efforts....
John,
I enjoy your sense of humor!
Mike,
Ohio
We could hope that Lionel has finally seen accepted that the AF market is drowning in unwanted surplus and has decided to stop producing AF toy trains... and... may be going to redirect the AF production funds toward the scale side of S for a while to see what happens.? But I won't be betting a penny on that.
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Well spoke, Bill.
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However, I'm not sure the current demise of Flyer will be of much benefit to increase the visibility or interest of S Scale.? There's that annoying 75+ year history of Gilbert and Lionel Flyer in S that won't go away.? There's a lot of Flyer circulating on the secondary market and the past does have a tendency to come up and bite one in the hind quarters when one's not looking.?
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And you never know, Lionel could decide to resurrect Flyer at a future date.
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Rich G(ajnak)
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Re: Any future S efforts....
We could hope that Lionel has finally seen accepted that the AF market is drowning in unwanted surplus and has decided to stop producing AF toy trains... and... may be going to redirect the AF production funds toward the scale side of S for a while to see what happens.? But I won't be betting a penny on that.
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On 02/02/2025 3:32 PM EST Rich Gajnak via groups.io <rustytraque@...> wrote:
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Well spoke, Bill.
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However, I'm not sure the current demise of Flyer will be of much benefit to increase the visibility or interest of S Scale.? There's that annoying 75+ year history of Gilbert and Lionel Flyer in S that won't go away.? There's a lot of Flyer circulating on the secondary market and the past does have a tendency to come up and bite one in the hind quarters when one's not looking.?
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And you never know, Lionel could decide to resurrect Flyer at a future date.
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Not sure exactly what you want, but a search on ¡°?plastic triangle strip¡± found lots of hits, including both Plastruct and Evergreen. Not sure if they are 45 or 60 degree angles.
On Sunday, February 2, 2025, 6:36 PM, Jamie Bothwell via groups.io <jamie.bothwell610@...> wrote: Frank, There was a time when Plastruct offered a solid triangle shape. I have some somewhere, but it might take me a month to find it. It was probably an equilateral triangle which would make it 60¡ã angles.? From memory, I'd say my piece was about 1/16th on a?side. I tried to find it online, but Plastruct's web page is a mess.
Jamie Bothwell Bethlehem, PA
Well, you can never say never, but I've never seen any.
I suggest fabricating your own by edge gluing flat plastic or wood strips at the angle you want.? You can even file or sand an edge to have an angle for a better fitting joint.
For wood, if you have one of those little hobby table says, you could cut strips with an angle on one edge for gluing.? (22.5 degree edges will make 45 degrees when joined.)
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 03:10:06 PM PST, Frank Williams via <frankwilliams66= [email protected]> wrote:
Is 45 degree angle stock available, either in wood or plastic?
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Bill, do you think they would consider producing turnouts?
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? Hans ? You must have missed my multiple mentions that Tomalco is now owned by Micro Engineering. Further my post today indirectly mentioned Tomalco and hoping to have new code 100 track available for the NASG convention. This 1 of the brighter news bits of the past month. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
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Frank, There was a time when Plastruct offered a solid triangle shape. I have some somewhere, but it might take me a month to find it. It was probably an equilateral triangle which would make it 60¡ã angles.? From memory, I'd say my piece was about 1/16th on a?side. I tried to find it online, but Plastruct's web page is a mess.
Jamie Bothwell Bethlehem, PA
Well, you can never say never, but I've never seen any.
I suggest fabricating your own by edge gluing flat plastic or wood strips at the angle you want.? You can even file or sand an edge to have an angle for a better fitting joint.
For wood, if you have one of those little hobby table says, you could cut strips with an angle on one edge for gluing.? (22.5 degree edges will make 45 degrees when joined.)
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 03:10:06 PM PST, Frank Williams via <frankwilliams66= [email protected]> wrote:
Is 45 degree angle stock available, either in wood or plastic?
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Frank Williams
Yorktown, IN
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Re: Posting Only On Facebook
I was a late joiner to FB.? Most are for RR related groups.
What I did do upon joining was turning off as many notices (friends and others) as I could as was recommended by others.
The FB channel is a lot quieter.
Ken G
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:14?PM Frank Williams via <frankwilliams66= [email protected]> wrote: I get a lot of enjoyment out of the various Facebook groups, especially Bill's fine scale group.
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If you can join FB and not get a bunch of other friends, but stick to your interests, you might be okay.
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Well, you can never say never, but I've never seen any.
I suggest fabricating your own by edge gluing flat plastic or wood strips at the angle you want.? You can even file or sand an edge to have an angle for a better fitting joint.
For wood, if you have one of those little hobby table says, you could cut strips with an angle on one edge for gluing.? (22.5 degree edges will make 45 degrees when joined.)
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 03:10:06 PM PST, Frank Williams via groups.io <frankwilliams66@...> wrote:
Is 45 degree angle stock available, either in wood or plastic?
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Frank Williams
Yorktown, IN
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I get a lot of enjoyment out of the various Facebook groups, especially Bill's fine scale group.
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If you can join FB and not get a bunch of other friends, but stick to your interests, you might be okay.
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Hans ? You must have missed my multiple mentions that Tomalco is now owned by Micro Engineering. Further my post today indirectly mentioned Tomalco and hoping to have new code 100 track available for the NASG convention. This 1 of the brighter news bits of the past month. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Is 45 degree angle stock available, either in wood or plastic?
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Frank Williams
Yorktown, IN
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Re: Any future S efforts....
Rusty, if we could Lionel persuade to resurrect the "modern" rolling stock in scale versions we would surely benefit from that and they could have a return of invest for their efforts in the years between 2010 and 2015. Perhaps even that ominous plug door reefer could resurface. But those are feverish visions, not even dreams.
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Greetings out of an icy night, Hans
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We've Been Overthinking This
All we have to do is convince Sir Rod or Neil Young to convert to S scale. They have entire bank vaults of moolah, enough to fund all kinds of new rolling stock. I don't know why we didn't think of this before!
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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Well spoke, Bill.
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However, I'm not sure the current demise of Flyer will be of much benefit to increase the visibility or interest of S Scale.? There's that annoying 75+ year history of Gilbert and Lionel Flyer in S that won't go away.? There's a lot of Flyer circulating on the secondary market and the past does have a tendency to come up and bite one in the hind quarters when one's not looking.?
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And you never know, Lionel could decide to resurrect Flyer at a future date.
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Rich G(ajnak)
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Bill, I'm with you in regarding that TRACK and RTR stuff are the most important factors to keep S alive. Not even our wealthy oldtimers have enough NOS of trackwork to build new layouts (scale). Talking about rolling stock and traction power: I was born in 1966 and grew up with the Deutsche Bundesbahn in Germany. My godfather was the German chief dispatch at a big frontier station between Germany and Austria near Salzburg. So it had to be model trains (M?rklin), no car racing track, when I was six. And no, I didn't stick with the toy trains M?rklin made in those years. On my first layout I was running also Roco and Fleischmann. They produced beautiful passenger cars, starting with "shorties" in 1/100 (lenghwise), later releasing scale long cars that had about 30 centimetres in HO. Hyper detailed models came out, stlii affordable? (what changed over the years).
And then came the day when I fell in love - with a HUGE piece of metal and plastic: a prussian steam loco in One gauge. And as it had been 30 years ago, it was made by M?rklin...
From One gauge I came to O with a little detour over On30. From narrow gauge back to O standard gauge and then to O 2rail with US prototypes. The guy who got me George Walker Bush's Train Force One SD70Ace by MTH put some railroad magazines in the package - one of them was an S Gaugian printed 1998... This reminded me to a visit with my Mom in Nuremberg 's Toy Museum where we have the biggest S scale US-layout outside the States.What remains, is history. Now I'm in S and want to stay there. But where are the Diesels I have in O? Where are the affordable steam locos? And where is track I can buy for a normal price? With Lionel out of business and Tomalco saying goodbye there are not many options left. A few years ago I was still able to buy sectional track by SHS/MTH (what was better made than Lionel's fasttrack) with reasonable radii. But what you find now are mere leftovers. The scale situation is even worse.
My conclusion: If I were to enter S now it would be love labour's lost. No chance to get the locos and the cars I want. And not even track to run them. No one can see the future but there is one thing for sure: The years that lay ahead will become tough and Lionel will not be the last loss on the way...
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Ice cold Greetings from a cold February in Middle Franconia, Hans
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