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Re: Bob Werre in Railroad Model Craftsman

 

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Thanks Joe, glad you liked the setup.? I seek inspiration in seeing the prototype in action and then how I might replicate some of that in miniature.

BTW, we need you to join us for our next show this spring.? Unfortunately I've become a shuffling old man ...aka Tim Conway old man character. so lifting those 40lb modules doesn't happen much anymore but we really don't bite!

Bob Werre
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On 12/12/24 7:51 PM, Joe C. wrote:

I was hoping someone posted about this, because I was just about to!?
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Excellent photo, Bob! Truly a work of art, and no, not exaggerating at all.
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Joe Coen
Re: Dabbling in O scale (was Re: [S-Scale]

 

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.Thanks Jace for recalling the Crown reefer.? I thought it a reasonable choice for those on the scale side of the tracks and the hi-side too!? Crown did offer a MILW version of the car that I would like to obtain--but until that time?

Our dinner table won a car for each of us at one of the Bristol sponsored NASG conventions, it was a contest of sorts so my fellow diners excelled with knowledge as we consumed a good meal.? I ran mine for a couple of years till my PRS reefer fleet pushed them out.? IMHO the detail was 'just good enough' for most layouts!? So thanks Doug.

Bob Werre

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? CMP also produced 6-8 road names for the wood side refrigerator in S scale (with AM trucks).? Mike MacCormick operated out of several locations in the western suburbs of Boston.



Jace Kahn
Re: Layout Progress

 

Brook,
The 5 tracks are part of the staging yard and the helix is a single track is a ‘parallel’ mainline track that links the staging level to the main level.
Ben Trousdale?
Re: Layout Progress

 

Ben,
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This is the first 5-track helix I've ever seen in any scale.? I see on the NASG website that there is one photo of your layout showing 11 parallel tracks.? Yours must be the largest S layout ever built!? Can we see some more photos somewhere?? How about a track plan?? And what track and turnouts are you using?? In short, I'd like to know more about your layout...what's done and what's planned!

Brooks Stover
Re: SHS SW's

 

Not in their mindset. At heart, they are a toy company.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Mn42 in 1923
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On 12December2024, at 17:42, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:

I thought those Atlas cars and engines is what Lionel should have done with the old AF tooling to help S eventually blend or appeal to the scale side.
Re: Layout Progress

 

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Nice?

On Dec 12, 2024, at 11:41?PM, Ben via groups.io <pickycat95@...> wrote:

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We were away for 8 days and progress on the helix stopped. ?It’s resumed. ?The first strands of the mighty spline have almost made the first lap. ?In one of the pictures you can glimpse part of the layout in the room beyond.
Ben Trousdale?
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Layout Progress

 

We were away for 8 days and progress on the helix stopped. ?It’s resumed. ?The first strands of the mighty spline have almost made the first lap. ?In one of the pictures you can glimpse part of the layout in the room beyond.
Ben Trousdale?
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Re: Black Friday Sale

 

Jim,
Check your spam again. I replied this morning.?
Thanks, Stephen
Re: PRS 50' Boxcars

 

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Sold


Jace Kahn


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 8:28 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [S-Scale] FS: PRS 50' Boxcars
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All excess to requirements, no trucks with any, only GN has a roofwalk (presumably other prototypes lacked them) otherwise mint:

BN auto car #231890

GN? #39804

B&O? 299698

Asking $28 each plus shipping, or $75 and shipping for all



Jace Kahn
FS: SHS CPR SW-9 #7402

 

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Looks pretty mint to me, little evidence of being run, minor wear to box.
Asking $175 and shipping or best reasonable offer (like Ed Loizeaux, I get to decide what is reasonable)

Jace Kahn


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Dabbling in O scale (was Re: [S-Scale] SHS SW's

 

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Crown Model Products made O scale wood side refrigerator cars, single-sheathed boxcars, and (I think it was—at least a third type) steel ARA boxcars in O scale.? Weaver later bought the line, as those three complemented their existing types of freight cars.? CMP also produced 6-8 road names for the wood side refrigerator in S scale (with AM trucks).? Mike MacCormick operated out of several locations in the western suburbs of Boston.


Jace Kahn


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bob Werre <bob@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 7:42 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] SHS SW's
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I thought those Atlas cars and engines is what Lionel should have done with the old AF tooling to help S eventually blend or appeal to the scale side.? I've ended up with a stockcar (CNW), boxcar (pale GN blue) a couple of the gons, and the BN caboose and matching F.? I also own a RTR outside braced boxcar,(I've forgotten the builder but they also made up a S scale RTR reefer-- have seen any for sale lately?, one IM PFE reefer and a 37AAR boxcar--all treasured pieces for some reason or another!?
Guess I actually have a 0 scale train and never realized it!

Bob Werre
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The Roco rolling stock was pretty good for its time--the 1970s. I used to carry a small amount of O scale in my hobby shop back in the 90s. IIRC, there was the aforementioned ore car, a mill gon, and a PS-1 boxcar plus the EV caboose and F unit. The mechanism of the F was on the level of Tyco's single-truck HO F-7. The thing that really started the revival of O was the advent of Intermountain's 1937 AAR boxcar, quickly followed by a steel reefer, and ultimately a GP-9. The latter was highly detailed and made the Weaver FAs and RSs look pretty plain. P&D specialized in after-market drives for all of those units, plus super detail kits.?
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Jerry Porter's HO version of the 1937 AAR boxcar really pushed the state of the art forward. He and Jon Verser were partners at some point, and Jon brought out the '37 AAR boxcar in S. In those days, the movement toward China was in its infancy and Intermountain tooled the HO, S, and O cars in Longmont, CO.?
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
Re: Bob Werre in Railroad Model Craftsman

 

I was hoping someone posted about this, because I was just about to!?
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Excellent photo, Bob! Truly a work of art, and no, not exaggerating at all.
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Joe Coen
Re: SHS SW's

 

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I thought those Atlas cars and engines is what Lionel should have done with the old AF tooling to help S eventually blend or appeal to the scale side.? I've ended up with a stockcar (CNW), boxcar (pale GN blue) a couple of the gons, and the BN caboose and matching F.? I also own a RTR outside braced boxcar,(I've forgotten the builder but they also made up a S scale RTR reefer-- have seen any for sale lately?, one IM PFE reefer and a 37AAR boxcar--all treasured pieces for some reason or another!?
Guess I actually have a 0 scale train and never realized it!

Bob Werre
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The Roco rolling stock was pretty good for its time--the 1970s. I used to carry a small amount of O scale in my hobby shop back in the 90s. IIRC, there was the aforementioned ore car, a mill gon, and a PS-1 boxcar plus the EV caboose and F unit. The mechanism of the F was on the level of Tyco's single-truck HO F-7. The thing that really started the revival of O was the advent of Intermountain's 1937 AAR boxcar, quickly followed by a steel reefer, and ultimately a GP-9. The latter was highly detailed and made the Weaver FAs and RSs look pretty plain. P&D specialized in after-market drives for all of those units, plus super detail kits.?
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Jerry Porter's HO version of the 1937 AAR boxcar really pushed the state of the art forward. He and Jon Verser were partners at some point, and Jon brought out the '37 AAR boxcar in S. In those days, the movement toward China was in its infancy and Intermountain tooled the HO, S, and O cars in Longmont, CO.?
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
Re: SHS SW's

 

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Yes, Red Caboose used the basic Atlas drive under the GP-9 shell they developed and sold most of those as complete ready-to-run units, both in scale and three-rail.? They were pretty expensive and apparently RC lost money on?the project.? They sold quite a few of the shells as kits afterward.
P&D under Pat Mucci had serious visions for O scale locomotives.? After Kemtron effectively went out of business P&D bought the production fixtures for their GP-7 and RS-3 (after an intermediate owner--Railtex--produced the stock kits and sold them with CLW drives) and began serious upgrading; initially the upgraded GP (offered in the several phases as both GP-7 and GP-9) used a CLW drive but eventually they developed their own first-rate drive, based on Weaver components (after Weaver replaced theirs with cheap China crap drives to allow space for three-rail electronics) and with the excellent lost-wax Blombergs from OCS in Korea.? Incidentally, the P&D upgraded kits stopped when Weaver introduced their plastic RS-3 (and later the RC plastic GP-9's), as the P&D brass kits were excellent but necessarily expensive and required soldering skills to assemble.
About the same time P&D got access to Atlas F units—I've heard the Austrian government refused to allow the export of the dies—and improved the detail, so that various F types and phases of each type were represented (why Atlas thought an F-9 was a better choice than F-3's or F-7's is something no one seems to know).? By the time P&D had developed their improved version of the Weaver drive it was also modified to fit under their improved F shells; the P&D drives for the F units and the GP-9's are configured differently, even though they use the same components.
Almost certainly more information about O scale diesels than anyone wanted to know.

And, yes, the original Enhorning drives left MUCH to be desired; the Port Able after-market scale conversion drive for AF (later bought by Beveridge) used Enhorning sideframes.



Jace Kahn



From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bob Werre <bob@...>
Sent:?Thursday, December 12, 2024 11:25 AM
To:[email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject:?Re: [S-Scale] SHS SW's
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You are doubly? correct about Enhorning because they can still live under different names.? I've never run my BN unit but my understanding was that the drive was pretty weak.? To that end, the folks at Red Caboose made a new drive for those and sold the result RTR, but I believe it ended up being a GP 7/9.? I photographed them for a RC ad dressed as a GN unit.? And also I think it was P&D hobbies also was involved in something similar--but that just speculation on my end!

Bob Werre
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My first O "scale" (not O gauge ie Lionel) was one of those F units. That purchase (at a train show in the early '80s) opened the floodgates to my getting involved in 1:48 size.
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I think the basic platform is very..."do-able"; I have acquired several more and on each I have altered either the shell, drive train or both, just because.
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Atlas must have sold a bunch, as there are almost always some for sale on eBay...
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Come to think of it, maybe they could be considered the "Enhorning of O scale"; a good enough product that just didn't quite make the cut.
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Mark in Oregon
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Re: Bill's cool new parts for High Hood GP35

 

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Bill, neat SD60 coupler box, sent PayPal for 2 sets.
Charles Williams

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill Lane via groups.io <bill@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:29 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [S-Scale] Bill's cool new parts for High Hood GP35
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Some people have asked so I am offering some of my new parts for sale for a limited time to the first 10 replies.

Parts to start making a high hood GP35 from a American Models GP35. The end result is something like this although the N&W 206 was not built by me...

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4 fans and high hood nose piece = $50.00 + $6.00 for shipping to lower 48 state US addresses. If shipping more than $6.00 I will cover the difference.

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Add some American Models SD60 draft gear to the box for $10.00 each. I do have to confirm 1 dimension and possibly revise it. If you just want the SD60 draft gear include $6.00 for shipping.

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PayPal as friends n family to bill@... . Make sure your USPS shipping address is a part of the PayPal note

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Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

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Re: SHS SW's

 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 08:25 AM, Bob Werre wrote:
You are doubly? correct about Enhorning because they can still live under different names.? I've never run my BN unit but my understanding was that the drive was pretty weak.?
The drive was adequate for the cars Atlas offered.? The cars were relatively thin plastic, had plastic trucks, wheels, a sort of Lionel-compatible coupler and had no weights (or no serious weights) as I recall.? It was hard to see which market Atlas was striving for, but it apparently missed the mark with both 2-rail and 3-rail guys.
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Still, the F9's were $30.00 (Atlas HO locomotives were $25.00 back then) and the freight cars were $7.00 apiece, $8.00 for the caboose.? Ore cars and bobber caboose were $5.00, the Plymouth MDT switcher was $20.00.? Plus track was offered.? So, a person could get introduced to O scale for a modest investment.
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Rich G(ajnak)

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Re: SHS SW's

 

The Roco rolling stock was pretty good for its time--the 1970s. I used to carry a small amount of O scale in my hobby shop back in the 90s. IIRC, there was the aforementioned ore car, a mill gon, and a PS-1 boxcar plus the EV caboose and F unit. The mechanism of the F was on the level of Tyco's single-truck HO F-7. The thing that really started the revival of O was the advent of Intermountain's 1937 AAR boxcar, quickly followed by a steel reefer, and ultimately a GP-9. The latter was highly detailed and made the Weaver FAs and RSs look pretty plain. P&D specialized in after-market drives for all of those units, plus super detail kits.?
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Jerry Porter's HO version of the 1937 AAR boxcar really pushed the state of the art forward. He and Jon Verser were partners at some point, and Jon brought out the '37 AAR boxcar in S. In those days, the movement toward China was in its infancy and Intermountain tooled the HO, S, and O cars in Longmont, CO.?
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
Re: Rail joiners

 

I suspect the tab is as thick as it is due to casting requirements. A friend of mine that does casting tells me that a long thin part makes it difficult to get the molten metal to flow all the way through. I am going to redraw the part for new masters. I will get together with a buddy that casts in brass and see what he thinks.
-Michael Eldridge
Calamity Jane visits area

 

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I tune into a group about South Dakota and it's history.? In this case the old West character of Calamity Jane is mentioned.? If anybody recalls I have featured many of the names in my RR--Deadwood, Lead and Mystic have been shown in my photos.? Wild Bill, Calamity Jane and several others are buried in the Deadwood Cemetery in downtown.? I guarantee it's the steepest place on earth to bury somebody!? here is a news article about her--I didn't see a pub date however:

Last evening’s train brought to the city one of the Black Hills, most noted characters, in the person of Mrs. Burke, better known as “Calamity Jane.” A very old resident of the Black Hills remembers her as she appeared in the early days and last evening she was around calling upon all old timers. Calamity? Jane resided in Rapid City a portion of 1878 and thus is her first visit to the city since that time. She remembers all of the residents of the city from that time and made inquiry after many that had almost passed out of remembrance. Calamity Jane was the same appearance as when a former resident here, time having been lenient with her she does not look a day older than when she was a familiar figure upon our streets. On all hands, she was greeted with words of welcome from her old acquaintances, who remember the many kind deeds she has done to those who were sick and in distress in the early settlement of the Black Hills. Calamity Jane will remain in the city a few days and dispose of pictures taken of herself in buckskin costume in 1876, and with the proceeds she intends to send her daughter to school. ?


Bob Werre

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Revised Smoky Mtn Model Works coupler boxes

 

My coupler boxes, designed to fit Kadee 802/805 and Inventive Models' couplers, have been converted to 3D resin-printing.? Only "grey" color is now available.? The web page has been edited accordingly and can be viewed here:
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Jim King
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