To continue on the Rex cars-we
shouldn't forget of two sub variants of the flat ( the scale
version I can only assume).? Two batches of cars were sold under
the Queen Tool and Die label.? One was Rex flat car with wooden
sides for carrying ballast, fill or ashes that the SDAE used.? The
model I received didn't have the traditional cast-on corner steps
but some sort of recess' for strap brass stirrups.? I sold my
model to Roger Nulton so I'm not certain of it's appearance.?
The other car, I don't recall much, but
I think it was sold with NYC decals.? So some further help from
with the Way-Back machine will help!
Bob Werre
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Hey
I had no idea there were two versions for the on and flat
car!!!!
Roger Haag
On May 22, 2025, at 8:55?PM, R. James
Whipple via groups.io
<rwhipple@...> wrote:
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The Rex gondola was a Southern Railway
prototype. Here's a beautifully detailed example by my
dear friend, the late Dave Felmley. All cast grab irons
were ground off and replaced with real wire ones, steps
are by Grandt Line (now San Juan) - perhaps the original
cast ones had broken off - , a complete brake system was
installed, a Mantua stamped brass brake wheel was used,
and Kinsman trucks and Kadee 802 couplers were installed
as running gear. These cars track well because the weight
is close to the rails.
Just a couple years ago I saw one in MW service on
the Wheeling & Lake Erie (Southern to NS to WLE
would be the ownership route), so a few of these may
still be around. It was coupled to a small crane being
used for trackwork on the west end of the old Pittsburgh
& West Virginia line, near Cecil PA.
The underframes were one part of a multi-part die, so
they could be swapped out. Bob Werre is quite correct in
that there were therefore four versions of the two car
styles: AF and hirail/scale for the gondola, and the
same for the flat car. Also attached is a picture of the
unpainted flat car, AF version. I have a small supply of
the AF-version flat cars; see me at the NASG convention
if you would like one.
Jim Whipple
Pittsburgh PA
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<Rex-SOU.55400_5979.jpeg>
<Rex-SOU.55400_5980.jpeg>
<AF-Rex-underbody_5981.jpg>
Sorry about jumping the gun on this, but the Rex
instruction sheet Bill references does indicate the
difference between the AF and scale versions if you
pay close attention.?
Bob Werre
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The Rex flatcar was my first scale car I ever
bought.? Eventually I was able to buy my first
bottle of Floquil black paint and some GN decals.
I was pleased with it's detailing and it till runs
on the layout.
However, it's been years since I've been
'hawking' used stuff from 0thers--but Rex actually
made two versions of both the flat and the gon.?
The underbodies were different--four cars total!?
One version must have been for the hi-rail version
as the underbody was much more basic and suited
for AF trucks.? I don't recall the particulars.
Bob Werre?
From:?Corbin Bates
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 01:52:51 PDT?
. . . I got a Gondola from a friend . . .?I
found it was made by REX . . .?The gon is
fairly well detailed for its time.
The NASG web site has the kit?.
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FYI, Paul Butkowski wrote up a technique for modeling this type of distortion and damage on his RailGons in the February_March_2024 issue of S Resource magazine.? Tommy?
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I would imagine the effect is easy to replicate if you were using brass car sides. Just whack at it with a hammer here, there and everywhere :)
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Hey
I had no idea there were two versions for the on and flat car!!!!
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On May 22, 2025, at 8:55?PM, R. James Whipple via groups.io <rwhipple@...> wrote:
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The Rex gondola was a Southern Railway prototype. Here's a beautifully detailed example by my dear friend, the late Dave Felmley. All cast grab irons were ground off and replaced with real wire ones, steps are by Grandt Line (now San Juan) -
perhaps the original cast ones had broken off - , a complete brake system was installed, a Mantua stamped brass brake wheel was used, and Kinsman trucks and Kadee 802 couplers were installed as running gear. These cars track well because the weight is close
to the rails.
Just a couple years ago I saw one in MW service on the Wheeling & Lake Erie (Southern to NS to WLE would be the ownership route), so a few of these may still be around. It was coupled to a small crane being used for trackwork on the west end of the old
Pittsburgh & West Virginia line, near Cecil PA.
The underframes were one part of a multi-part die, so they could be swapped out. Bob Werre is quite correct in that there were therefore four versions of the two car styles: AF and hirail/scale for the gondola, and the same for the flat car. Also attached
is a picture of the unpainted flat car, AF version. I have a small supply of the AF-version flat cars; see me at the NASG convention if you would like one.
Jim Whipple
Pittsburgh PA
<Rex-SOU.55400_5978.jpeg>
<Rex-SOU.55400_5979.jpeg>
<Rex-SOU.55400_5980.jpeg>
<AF-Rex-underbody_5981.jpg>
Sorry about jumping the gun on this, but the Rex instruction sheet Bill references does indicate the difference between the AF and scale versions if you pay close attention.?
Bob Werre
Phototraxx
The Rex flatcar was my first scale car I ever bought.? Eventually I was able to buy my first bottle of Floquil black paint and some GN decals. I was pleased with it's detailing and it till runs on the layout.
However, it's been years since I've been 'hawking' used stuff from 0thers--but Rex actually made two versions of both the flat and the gon.? The underbodies were different--four cars total!? One version must have been for the hi-rail version as the underbody
was much more basic and suited for AF trucks.? I don't recall the particulars.
Bob Werre?
From:?Corbin Bates
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 01:52:51 PDT?
. . . I got a Gondola from a friend . . .?I found it was made by REX . . .?The gon is fairly well detailed for its time.
The NASG web site has the kit?.
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Gordy: Thanks for the history - neat...? You're talking about the one I still use!? When I was a kid, my dad would say, "get the tinker, tinker, tinker can", from the sound it made.? Since, to a little kid, tools had funny names, I could probably remember that better! Since I sort of inadvertently started the thread, let me try to put it to bed - if that is ever possible on this group!
The main reason for the effect was the more widespread use of thinner, cold rolled steel for side sheets.? Mills could make it just as strong but now thinner and lighter, which had weight advantages for freight cars.? The fact that change more or less coincided with the transition from riveted to welded cars is a bit of a red herring.? Like the 1930's Pullman photo I posted earlier and the two attached here, there are plenty of examples of riveted cars that show the oil canning effect.? Also, at least one company has been selling HO models with sides 3D printed to mimic oil canning for several years now, apparently not hard to model in 3D... A final non sequitur regarding the attached photo of the GAEX boxcar.? To bring it back to our home state of Michigan Gordy, you'll note that freight car is riding on Chrysler FR-5 trucks.? Enjoy! Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 10:59?AM Gordy Michael wrote:
It¡¯s called ¡®oil canning¡¯ because the distorted metal will pop back and forth like the bottoms of older oil cans. You know the kind that allowed you to dispense a small amount by flexing the bottom usually with your thumb.
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By the time the effect is scaled down, it would likely fall under the heading of "not worth the trouble" and probably look more like a bad paint job.
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Rich G(ajnak)
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It¡¯s called ¡®oil canning¡¯ because the distorted metal will pop back and forth like the bottoms of older oil cans. You know the kind that allowed you to dispense a small amount by flexing the bottom usually with your thumb.
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After completing this River raisin brass hoppers. I wanted to put removable coal loads in them. So I reached out to Dennis Brennan and Purchased his number two broken anthracite coal. This stuff is pretty nice. I thought I would share a photo of the two cars.?
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This is an example of oil canning ¨C the waviness of the steel sides due to welding. That would be very difficult to model. ? Thank You,
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Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
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Re: Plastic paint striping
Someone said "mars paint". I was just pointing out there was a black pigment by that name.
On Friday, May 23, 2025 at 08:03:41 PM EDT, Edward Sauers via groups.io <edsauers@...> wrote:
Chris,
I think the only loco that AM has done so far in the MARS paint is the FP40PH, but I could be wrong!!!
Ed Sauers
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 6:01?PM Chris Fauxturkey via <skogkatt007= [email protected]> wrote: Incidentally there's a color called mars black, the pigment being some type of iron oxide. Or a mixture. Different pigments are used, off the top of my head there are at least 3 different blacks (used in professional acrylic paints anyway). But this is probably unrelated to the reason why AM paint doesn't come off. I think this is likely to be a function of the binder/medium and not the pigment. I know, no one asked me :)
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Re: Plastic paint striping
Chris,
I think the only loco that AM has done so far in the MARS paint is the FP40PH, but I could be wrong!!!
Ed Sauers
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 6:01?PM Chris Fauxturkey via <skogkatt007= [email protected]> wrote: Incidentally there's a color called mars black, the pigment being some type of iron oxide. Or a mixture. Different pigments are used, off the top of my head there are at least 3 different blacks (used in professional acrylic paints anyway). But this is probably unrelated to the reason why AM paint doesn't come off. I think this is likely to be a function of the binder/medium and not the pigment. I know, no one asked me :)
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The? 'Oil Canning Effect' isn't just limited to welded cars.???
Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI Grand Rapids, MI
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 4:59?PM Pieter Roos via <pieterroos53= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Bob;
¡°Oil canning¡± is the wrinkled or slightly bowed sheet metal?panels on welded cars. Not often captured, although some people have used aluminum duct tape between the ribs on cars to get the effect.
Here is an article : hope I get the link in this time!
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Re: Plastic paint striping
Incidentally there's a color called mars black, the pigment being some type of iron oxide. Or a mixture. Different pigments are used, off the top of my head there are at least 3 different blacks (used in professional acrylic paints anyway). But this is probably unrelated to the reason why AM paint doesn't come off. I think this is likely to be a function of the binder/medium and not the pigment. I know, no one asked me :)
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Re: Plastic paint striping
Bill,
L Love to look at pictures of the original B&O EA/EB EMD units, those units?just looked so perfect to?me no matter?what paint scheme they represent!!!!
Ed
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 4:45?PM William Winans via <3W2scalesonly= [email protected]> wrote: Hi Ed --
You know, no matter how ugly the particular diesel unit is (was), that paint job?always looks good!
Bill Winans ------------------------------- Mike,
CSX painted them in the old B&O Blue/black and Grey paint scheme.
Ed
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Hi Bob;
¡°Oil canning¡± is the wrinkled or slightly bowed sheet metal?panels on welded cars. Not often captured, although some people have used aluminum duct tape between the ribs on cars to get the effect.
Here is an article : hope I get the link in this time!
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Stony Smith Designs Hopper
In my previous response about this hopper car, I completely missed that entry. Sorry about that.
To John Mann: Yes, it was a design by Stony Smith Designs. I have it listed on the NASG web site:
(notset)steel,_fishbelly,_cylindrical,_single-bay,_center_discharge.php
The good news is that he has moved some of his designs over to the 3DP Train web site:
He doesn't list that S-scale hopper, but it might just be that he hasn't gotten any requests for it, or hasn't made it available on the 3DP Train site. His e-mail address is:
models@...
- Peter.
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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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Re: Plastic paint striping
Hi Ed --
You know, no matter how ugly the particular diesel unit is (was), that paint job?always looks good!
Bill Winans -------------------------------
Mike,
CSX painted them in the old B&O Blue/black and Grey paint scheme.
Ed
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Re: Plastic paint striping
Mike,
CSX painted them in the old B&O Blue/black and Grey paint scheme.
Ed
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 2:25?PM Mike Swederska via <mikesscale= [email protected]> wrote: I always put MARS with the color black. I think i had to do with the pigment that the paint is made up from. So if that¡¯s the case it mainly depends on what binders the paint uses.?
I¡¯m not familiar with the AM Amtrak paint scheme. Looking at the picture on AM¡¯s web site I would think the black was shot first then the silver and finally the colored stripes and logo. Surly Testors, AK or 91-99 isopropyl alcohol. Would get that part off the model.?
I would just concentrate on removing the stripes and logos. If the black doesn¡¯t come off and isn¡¯t marred beyond minor sanding, I¡¯d leave it.?
Depending on what final color the model is to be will determine what color it needs to be primed since you may be leaving the black and possibly the silver.?
I will also mention that the S12 I just finish was painted black by AM so I could decal and detail it for the MP. That black is tight with a semi gloss finish that seamed bullet prof. It also excepted decals better than most other factory paint work. Darn glad I didn¡¯t have to strip it.? Mike Swederska? ?I was thinking is it oil based paint?
Michael Osweiler? Waseca On May 23, 2025, at 12:47?PM, Chris Fauxturkey via <skogkatt007=[email protected]> wrote:
? Could it be that type of paint (Duplicote?) that when sprayed on first etches the plastic?
On Friday, May 23, 2025 at 01:35:59 PM EDT, Edward Sauers via <edsauers= [email protected]> wrote:
Bill,
I don't really know,,,I had a conversation with the guys at American Models about stripping the paint off of their EMD FP40s and the gentleman I spoke to said "you can't strip the paint off the FP40 because they?are painted with "MARS" paint. !!!!
I have tried the normal methods of stripping the factor paint and so I have not found anything that has removed the paint!!!!
I have not tried any of the new family of paint strippers though!!!
Hope this helps Ed Sauers As a relative noob, what does that ¡°MARS¡± mean, exactly?
> On May 22, 2025, at 9:41?PM, Edward Sauers via <edsauers=[email protected]> wrote:
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> ?Mike,
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> Just a reminder...when I asked the guys at AM they told me that the FP40 paint was "MARS" paint and it could not be stripped !!
>
> Ed
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>> On 5/21/2025 2:48 PM, Mike Swederska via wrote:
>> Ed,
>> Haven¡¯t tried yet on a locomotive. But plan to soon on one of their box cars.
>> These are a pair of the Baldwin Centipede locos by Broadway Limited.
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>> Mike Swederska
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Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Favor please!--what the heck is oil canning?? I can only
speculate that might be a wet ring around the can?
Bob Werre
?The programs can even add the oil canning effect quite well.?
Pretty cool...
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