Although I sent a message to Rusty directly, in the event that disappeared into a black hole, I'll take the gondola.
Great price (I've paid more for the other one I bought), although it looks as if the trucks have been replaced—I'll need to check.
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Cryer Grey gondola: Factory painted, includes coupler package, never run. $125 which includes Advantage Mail Shipping
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Re: Logging Corner I (left side)
That is an achievement—BTS logging structures are challenging and likely only those seriously interested in modeling the lumber industry would devote the time, money, and other resources to finishing them.
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Ed,
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When I saw your logging listing, it piqued my interest. Alas, I have built almost all of Bill's McCabe Lumber Co. series of kits, including both the Coon Gap and Slatyfork sawmills, both with interiors. They're not yet installed on my layout, but hopefully
that will happen later this year.?
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Your scene looks great!
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Dave Heine
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Cryer Grey gondola: Factory painted, includes coupler package, never run. $125 which includes Advantage Mail Shipping
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Are there any currently available grate style drop steps for RS11s? I have an undecorated AM that I recently bought because K4 came out with some NKP decals. Old habits are hard to break. ?
Tom P
Alexandria VA
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Hello
I have found that they break easily
I used one just today to drill a very small hole into a thin brass metal boxcar step.
The hole size is about the diameter of a straight pin.
I am very careful?
I don’t want to lose this drill size
For anything of greater metal thickness or tougher than brass, I would expect it to break sooner than later!!!
I will never buy more of these
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 2:33?PM, Mike Swederska via groups.io <MikeSscale@...> wrote:
? Harbor Freight also sells them. Due to breakage I only use them for plastic never brass.?
Mike Swederska?
On Mar 23, 2025, at 1:04?PM, Roger Nulton via groups.io <roger.nulton@...> wrote:
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Bob,
You’re right, those bits are great for avoiding the collet change. I have a small battery powered Dremel that is easy to control that I use them in. They are also very sharp! They are easy
to break, but so cheap that it barely matters. I used to get mine at train shows too, but those are nearly extinct now. I checked eBay and they appear to be readily available from China:?
Roger Nulton
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I was changing a few mis. items in a drawer just a few minutes ago.? I once bought a box of carbide drill bits from a train-show exhibitor.? I think Micro tool people also sell the same thing--really just a bunch of bits (of
random sizes!) in a plastic box, but each bit has a fat collar around it.? I had thought that collar mount would save a lot of time just in not having to adjust the collet size for each bit change.?
I once tried to use them but it quickly broke.? I don't think I've tried any since, so to the back of the drawer they went!? I'm wondering if you gentlemen have used them successfully and how you deal with carbide bits??
Bob Werre
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Is anyone here in the Northern Virginia S-Gaugers Club? The RS11 I just finished was originally owned by R Bruce Tibbetts. I sort of knew him and did some painting for him 30+ years ago. I just saw his obit he died about a month ago.. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
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Having worked with them for many years as a Toolmaker and Manufacturing Engineer, carbide drills require very high rpms and a true running spindle. Not really suited for soft materials like brass and plastic. HSS and cobalt are much better choices for most of our modeling materials. Used to drill hardened steel with carbide.
Rob Fuhst? Grand Haven, Michigan?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "David Heine via groups.io" <dheineww4@...> Date: 3/23/25 3:48 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [S-Scale] drill bits?
I have a bunch of them I bought in small sizes from Drill Bit City, including some smaller than #80. Because they are carbide, they are very brittle and will break with any side pressure. I only use them in a drill press or my Sherline mill with the sensitive?drilling attachment.?
Dave Heine
I was changing a few mis. items in a drawer just
a few minutes ago.? I once bought a box of carbide drill bits
from a train-show exhibitor.? I think Micro tool people also
sell the same thing--really just a bunch of bits (of random
sizes!) in a plastic box, but each bit has a fat collar around
it.? I had thought that collar mount would save a lot of time
just in not having to adjust the collet size for each bit
change.?
I once tried to use them but it quickly broke.? I
don't think I've tried any since, so to the back of the drawer
they went!? I'm wondering if you gentlemen have used them
successfully and how you deal with carbide bits??
Bob Werre
-- Rob Fuhst Grand Haven, MI
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Re: Logging Corner I (left side)
Ed,
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When I saw your logging listing, it piqued my interest. Alas, I have built almost all of Bill's McCabe Lumber Co. series of kits, including both the Coon Gap and Slatyfork sawmills, both with interiors. They're not yet installed on my layout, but hopefully that will happen later this year.?
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Your scene looks great!
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Dave Heine
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Re: Logging Corner ; plus this and that!
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 11:03 AM, Bob Werre wrote:
I was particularly looking at the lifts and cranes that I really would like, but his are largely built- in and mine are likewise .
My lifts and cranes are easily removeable.? They are not permanently built in place.? All it takes is a check to budge them loose.? Cheers..........Smiling Ed L.
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Los Altos, CA
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I have a bunch of them I bought in small sizes from Drill Bit City, including some smaller than #80. Because they are carbide, they are very brittle and will break with any side pressure. I only use them in a drill press or my Sherline mill with the sensitive?drilling attachment.?
Dave Heine
I was changing a few mis. items in a drawer just
a few minutes ago.? I once bought a box of carbide drill bits
from a train-show exhibitor.? I think Micro tool people also
sell the same thing--really just a bunch of bits (of random
sizes!) in a plastic box, but each bit has a fat collar around
it.? I had thought that collar mount would save a lot of time
just in not having to adjust the collet size for each bit
change.?
I once tried to use them but it quickly broke.? I
don't think I've tried any since, so to the back of the drawer
they went!? I'm wondering if you gentlemen have used them
successfully and how you deal with carbide bits??
Bob Werre
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Further to my previous comment, you can buy sets of HSS micro drill bits from China on Ebay for $3.00.? Harbor Freight sells a set of 30 HSS drills from 0.5 to 3 mm for $3.99.? So why fart around with carbide that are very likely to break?? Because you found some cheap somewhere and thought that they were a good deal?
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I agree with Mr. Kinder.? Carbide drills are made for use in very small drill presses or mills.? If you need to drill small holes by hand or by Dremel, get regular steel bits.
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These are either like printed circuit board drills, or similar.? Yes, extremely brittle and designed for use in good quality industrial CNC machines or something that is accurate enough to avoid any side load or tilting.? Very high odds of breaking them if trying to use them by hand in anything like a handheld motor tool or pin vise.
But, being used properly, fine for brass or almost anything.? But you need to prevent it galling.? And old machinist trick is to have a small block of beeswax you poke the drill into first.? (And much less messy than oils or cutting fluids.)? However, if not careful, even doing that will break them if you don't push absolutely straight in.? But for normal wire drills, it is a very handy trick.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 11:33:47 AM PDT, Mike Swederska via groups.io <mikesscale@...> wrote:
Harbor Freight also sells them. Due to breakage I only use them for plastic never brass.? Mike Swederska? On Mar 23, 2025, at 1:04?PM, Roger Nulton via groups.io <roger.nulton@...> wrote:
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Bob, You’re right, those bits are great for avoiding the collet change. I have a small battery powered Dremel that is easy to control that I use them in. They are also very sharp! They are easy to break, but so cheap that it barely matters. I used to get mine at train shows too, but those are nearly extinct now. I checked eBay and they appear to be readily available from China:? Roger Nulton ? ? I was changing a few mis. items in a drawer just a few minutes ago.? I once bought a box of carbide drill bits from a train-show exhibitor.? I think Micro tool people also sell the same thing--really just a bunch of bits (of random sizes!) in a plastic box, but each bit has a fat collar around it.? I had thought that collar mount would save a lot of time just in not having to adjust the collet size for each bit change.? I once tried to use them but it quickly broke.? I don't think I've tried any since, so to the back of the drawer they went!? I'm wondering if you gentlemen have used them successfully and how you deal with carbide bits?? Bob Werre -- Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Harbor Freight also sells them. Due to breakage I only use them for plastic never brass.? Mike Swederska?
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 1:04?PM, Roger Nulton via groups.io <roger.nulton@...> wrote:
? Bob, You’re right, those bits are great for avoiding the collet change. I have a small battery powered Dremel that is easy to control that I use them in. They are also very sharp! They are easy to break, but so cheap that it barely matters. I used to get mine at train shows too, but those are nearly extinct now. I checked eBay and they appear to be readily available from China:? Roger Nulton ? ? I was changing a few mis. items in a drawer just a few minutes ago.? I once bought a box of carbide drill bits from a train-show exhibitor.? I think Micro tool people also sell the same thing--really just a bunch of bits (of random sizes!) in a plastic box, but each bit has a fat collar around it.? I had thought that collar mount would save a lot of time just in not having to adjust the collet size for each bit change.? I once tried to use them but it quickly broke.? I don't think I've tried any since, so to the back of the drawer they went!? I'm wondering if you gentlemen have used them successfully and how you deal with carbide bits?? Bob Werre
-- Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Bob, You’re right, those bits are great for avoiding the collet change. I have a small battery powered Dremel that is easy to control that I use them in. They are also very sharp! They are easy to break, but so cheap that it barely matters. I used to get mine at train shows too, but those are nearly extinct now. I checked eBay and they appear to be readily available from China:? Roger Nulton ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Werre
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 10:07 AM
To: S-Scale <[email protected]>
Subject: [S-Scale] drill bits?? I was changing a few mis. items in a drawer just a few minutes ago.? I once bought a box of carbide drill bits from a train-show exhibitor.? I think Micro tool people also sell the same thing--really just a bunch of bits (of random sizes!) in a plastic box, but each bit has a fat collar around it.? I had thought that collar mount would save a lot of time just in not having to adjust the collet size for each bit change.? I once tried to use them but it quickly broke.? I don't think I've tried any since, so to the back of the drawer they went!? I'm wondering if you gentlemen have used them successfully and how you deal with carbide bits?? Bob Werre
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Re: Logging Corner ; plus this and that!
As I've been paying attention to much of what Ed has been offering for sale, I can only think and wonder about the mixed feelings he probably has about all this happening!, Then I'm not that far from that happening to my layout too!? Not trying to add doom & gloom but it's hard to see such a great place looking like a natural disaster is occurring!? Just part of life I guess.
Then to continue:? I was particularly looking at the lifts and cranes that I really would like, but his are largely built- in and mine are likewise .? I have two that with a couple of hours, this afternoon, will exchange places.? One is probably a S Scenery dock crane while the other a Leigh Valley pedistal model.? They both are in visually attractive places but also reaching across the tracks has or will attract damage.? So they will be swapping places.
I was also recently talking with Gilbert Freitag the son of Gil as he was talking about the disposal of Gils famous Stony Creek and Western layout.? His friends, who could salvage parts, were welcome to arrange for parts of it.? A large dispatcher's panel (12-20') was removed through a large window. while several structures are now on layouts in the area. There was also a 1:1 working lower quadrant signal in the back yard, baggage wagon and working crossbucks around the yard.
This thought process is coming from my frugal, recycling background, or perhaps another hundred ways to explain this! There is a small town called Ashley N. D. that we frequently visited.? It was on the SOO line and a short ways away was a grounded wooden baggage car, that sat their for many years until I wanted to photograph it as a art project--then it was gone! During that same weekend trip, I came across a two story SOO line depot that obviously had been sold or just dumped onto a farmer's pasture.? It had been severed to where the baggage area was several feet from the waiting/residence portion.? I did take the time for several shots and removed a short chunk of the soffit for a future color match.? Both sections were leaning, so they're not long till they're a pile of wood.? A bit more interesting was on a commercial oil field project,? again in North Dakota, where out in the prairie was a passenger car, again grounded.? Luckily I was just a harmless trespasser who again grabbed a few shots.? I would guess it was a NP car due to the arched window framing, but this was former GN territory so I really didn't know.? It had been turned into a field office at the edge of a sand pit, so again it was beyond its time.? I later found a couple of articles featuring it in local newspapers so other people are interested in it.
So if there are some words to describe all this mumbo, is that when you have a lot of irons, some are going to be hot, others fairly cold==do something and get back to work...as I'm about to!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
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I buy HSS or Cobalt micro drills instead of carbide.? They cost money, not like a batch of carbide at an extremely low price.? You can search Ebay and find HSS for a little less.
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Hi Ken,
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Which issues of S Scale Resource did your article appear in?? ?I have at least two, if not more, engines to add on a Stratolite 8911 beacon. I just purchased the last available 8911's on hand from Gotham Marine to use on a GP35 and U25B.?
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Thanks
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Michael Osweiler
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 01:17 PM, Ken Zieska wrote:
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I was changing a few mis. items in a drawer just
a few minutes ago.? I once bought a box of carbide drill bits
from a train-show exhibitor.? I think Micro tool people also
sell the same thing--really just a bunch of bits (of random
sizes!) in a plastic box, but each bit has a fat collar around
it.? I had thought that collar mount would save a lot of time
just in not having to adjust the collet size for each bit
change.?
I once tried to use them but it quickly broke.? I
don't think I've tried any since, so to the back of the drawer
they went!? I'm wondering if you gentlemen have used them
successfully and how you deal with carbide bits??
Bob Werre
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