"He
[Alan Evans] always seemed happy guiding folks with the NASG modules."
I definitely saw that in action.? In 2003 (?) at the Carmel, IN meet, my oldest son "played" with the NASG module for at least 1.5 hours.? Alan didn't mind at all and seemed tickled that a youngster was interested.? Thankfully no one else wanted to operate the layout.? I recall my son was very upset when we had to leave - Alan kidded me about that for years afterwards.? He will be missed.
Mark Plank
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I'm distressed at Alan's passing, but
with all his stuff being sold months ago, we all saw the writing
on the wall.? Another missing element was that Alan was a UP
modeler of sorts, so with the loss of Arden Goehring, a few years
ago, I don't know of any other UP fans at this time!??
We shared a room at one convention.? It
was probably one of the Cleveland Conventions as he arranged for a
couple of boxes of items I was selling--he was my UPS? delivery
guy or sorts.
His daughter and husband moved down to
Houston years ago, so when he would visit he'd stop by our usual
Thursday night work/BS sessions in Troxell's garage.? After Jack
had to bow out, he visited the group in my second story layout
room.? I never met his wife but we talked a time or two, as I
think she also had a bout of illness but recovered... perhaps
she'll be relocating here. ? His daughter was married to an
undertaker in the Houston area but I never had the opportunity to
connect with them.?
Alan was always helpful to me and our
merry band of S; likewise I hoped I helped a bit with his life! He
always seemed happy guiding folks with the NASG modules.
Bob Werre
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I'm surprised. The info is on the NASG website,
however. Being a long-time personal friend and fellow 1965
graduate of Ohio University. I?received phone calls last evening
and this morning from COSG members and Alan's wife, Pat also. He
had been suffering for two years or so from dementia and stroke
related symptoms?and passed away?yesterday (1/22) evening. Pat
says a memorial service will be down the road in a month or two.
As many of you know, after the?1965 graduation we lost touch
until Alan discovered some of my articles in Model Railroader.
Before that I didn't know he was a model railroader too. Then we
met at the 1990 NMRA/NASG convention (I was there for Kalmbach
where I was working then). We talked trains and enjoyed the
large NASG modular layout. Then we got together again in the
fall at the 25th anniversary of our OU graduation. After several
more meetings at Fests and Sprees, he and Chuck Porter coaxed me
into liking S. I still had tons of unopenedHO boxes in my
Wisconsin basement that I moved from WV in 1988. In 1993 with
Alan as NASG president, I was coerced into the Dispatch
editorship. Since then we have met at most NASG conventions plus
many Fests and Sprees. For an early bio of Alan you can check
out "Meet an S Gauger" in the June 1996 Dispatch.? It's sad to
lose an old friend.? ?Jeff Madden
The
news that Alan Evans died yesterday has not made it
here yet.
?
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Thank
You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in
1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
?
See
my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines
Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Hi Griff, I did the same thing, swapped out hi rail for scale drivers. ?Mine dropped in with out any problems. ?Can’t remember what I did exactly, but was real easy. ? Good luck,
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? My project is to change the driver's from hi rail to scale.
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Rich, the Northern worked like a champ, in fact it was done second.
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The Pacific wasn't running so I set it aside to ponder on. When I went back to it was when I found the gears weren't meshing.
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I'll try again.
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Griff
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My project is to change the driver's from hi rail to scale.
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Rich, the Northern worked like a champ, in fact it was done second.
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The Pacific wasn't running so I set it aside to ponder on. When I went back to it was when I found the gears weren't meshing.
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I'll try again.
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Thanks,
Griff
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I'm surprised. The info is on the NASG website, however. Being a long-time personal friend and fellow 1965 graduate of Ohio University. I?received phone calls last evening and this morning from COSG members and Alan's wife, Pat also. He had been suffering for two years or so from dementia and stroke related symptoms?and passed away?yesterday (1/22) evening. Pat says a memorial service will be down the road in a month or two. As many of you know, after the?1965 graduation we lost touch until Alan discovered some of my articles in Model Railroader. Before that I didn't know he was a model railroader too. Then we met at the 1990 NMRA/NASG convention (I was there for Kalmbach where I was working then). We talked trains and enjoyed the large NASG modular layout. Then we got together again in the fall at the 25th anniversary of our OU graduation. After several more meetings at Fests and Sprees, he and Chuck Porter coaxed me into liking S. I still had tons of unopenedHO boxes in my Wisconsin basement that I moved from WV in 1988. In 1993 with Alan as NASG president, I was coerced into the Dispatch editorship. Since then we have met at most NASG conventions plus many Fests and Sprees. For an early bio of Alan you can check out "Meet an S Gauger" in the June 1996 Dispatch.? It's sad to lose an old friend.? ?Jeff Madden
The news that Alan Evans died yesterday has not made it here yet. ? ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
?
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S Scale Central Vermont Railroad Decals for Alco S-2 and S-4 Locomotives
Good Evening,
If anyone has info regarding decals for Central Vermont Alco S-2 and S-4 locomotives in any of their 4 types of lettering please advise regarding any availability of these decals.
Thank You
John Keating
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The news that Alan Evans died yesterday has not made it here yet. ? ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
?
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MTH F-3 Locomotives For Sale
? ? ?Several years ago I bought two MTH F-3 Pennsylvania Powered "A" Units and one Powered "B" unit and one Non Powered "B" Unit Brand New from CT McCormick Hardware who sold MTH Locomotives new back then. I have never ran them on my track and have decided
to see if anyone one has interest in them. They are all still New in Their boxes. If someone is interested in them, please email me at; pullmx@...? ? Thanks John Donnersbach
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Re: Tedious S Scale History (aka Larry Jackman and Trucks (was Des Plaines Gunderson Huskies
Hi Jace,
All the info about the trucks can be found on this page:
for S and S narrow-gauge.
Company history can be found on this page for no-longer-active
companies:
and on this page for currently-active companies:
- Peter.
On 01/23/2025 04:06 PM, JGG KahnSr via
groups.io wrote:
I went to check the NASG website before writing to see whether
Peter had sorted out the various PRS trucks, and I thought I
remembered him having a section on S scale trucks but couldn't
find it.
Jace Kahn
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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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Re: Des Plaines Gunderson Huskies
SSA used the truck on the right for the Bethgon coal porters. ?The one the left looks like PRS.
Ben Trousdale
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Tedious S Scale History (aka Larry Jackman and Trucks (was Des Plaines Gunderson Huskies
Never had any Gunderson stuff—rather too modern for my tastes—and Larry Jackman's role in anything is something of a mystery.? I am aware what Don Thompson had related, that Jackman seemed very (or too) interested in the SHS tank car project, so much so that
he scooped them; I believe the Bettendorf?
trucks that came with the original SSA tank car kits have the same attachment arrangement between side frame and bolster.? I am not clear from your earlier message whether Jackman did the Gundersons, or whether they were purely a DPH project, or possibly whether
Jackman did the die work for DPH—and Ron Sebastian is no longer around to clarify that.
Larry Jackman is an interesting research problem for model railroad historians.? I never met him, but he was a member of the O scale chat list in the early days of the internet in the late 1990's.? Apparently he worked for the Santa Fe in Kansas earlier in
his life and did a number of scale drawings, mostly for RMC in the 1960's.
When he was on the chat list, I think he first has retired to Florida with his wife, but when she died he went to live with his daughter in Washington.? I seem to recall that he made some HO car kits in styrene at one time, pretty sure he never did an O scale,
as I was reasonably au courant about anything produced there for forty years.
As to PRS, my understanding is that John Verser was a partner in Intermountain in Denver ca. 1990 when they began producing highly-detailed, all-plastic car kits, starting with the 40' AAR boxcar, followed by the 40' steel refrigerator car, both of which ended
up with exactly the same construction as the PRS S scale kits.? The other PRS kits, for the ACF covered hopper and 50' boxcar, had other sources.? Moreover, one of the PRS truck kits, the Bettendorf, shares the same design features as the Intermountain—spring
planks and brake beams.? At some point I understand John sold his interest in Intermountain and began PRS in Oregon with his son, Felix.? Interestingly, the PRS box and refrigerator car kits sold for about the same list price as their O scale counterparts.?
I don't know nearly enough about technology and its history to know whether the original Intermountain kit dies were computer-generated, although if so John would presumably have found it fairly straightforward to produce S scale dies.? Die work has always
been the most expensive part of styrene kit manufacture.
From your last message, John had not yet developed any trucks for PRS when he did the ACF kits (perhaps apart from the Intermountain-type Bettendorfs, which would not have been suitable for the covered hoppers), so that tends to confirm my inference that the
earlier runs came without trucks.? At some point he developed the National B-1 and ASF Ride Control trucks, mostly for the 40' cars, and they share the locking feature common to your roller bearings (and the SSA tanks).? And, I suggest, the roller bearings
with integral brake beams.? A last thought: he presumably developed his own wheelsets with plastic wheels and double-insulated axles?
but when SHS began production in China was able to buy superior metal ones in quantity cheaply from Don Thompson (who can confirm or dispel my assumption).
What role, if any, Larry Jackman had with PRS trucks I have no idea.? Unless John and Felix could do die-work inhouse (and someone had to do it for the ACF and 50' cars), someone must also have done their truck dies.? A last thought: the SSA tank Bettendorfs
I own do not have brake shoes, but both the B-1 and ASF trucks do (unhappily, and frustratingly, different from each other.? I'll need to check, but I think my DPH tank car trucks do have brakeshoes.
I went to check the NASG website before writing to see whether Peter had sorted out the various PRS trucks, and I thought I remembered him having a section on S scale trucks but couldn't find it.
Jace Kahn
Jace,? Although I wasn't that much in the loop, John and I talked frequently regarding some of his projects.? Some of those projects were in the development of the 2 flat boxcar kits (X29 & CGW) that Desplains/ SSA finally released.? When I was shooting
his ad photos of the ACF as well as some of his the 50' (DD) boxcars I would ask him about RB trucks.? He always returned with the Ace versions.? He was reluctant to tool any RBs.?
When I came to the first ever ACF hopper cars, I was handed a test shot for the 3/16's S Magazine intro photo.? That happened at one of the NASG conventions, Pittsburgh perhaps!? I later talked with Walt and he was semi happy to have John buy back what
he didn't sell.? I put that test shell in a drawer someplace, over the next few years,I purchased several of the kits and gradually took those excess parts and added nearly all the missing parts and drilled mounting holes in that test shot.? The final result
was a multi colored car just like old Johnny Cash's Cadillac car/song!
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I'll stick with my version that those trucks were original from Jackman and only modified when or shortly after he went belly up! Now however the trucks now sold by SSA are another version all together!
Bob Werre
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Actually, Bob, I'm pretty sure those are both PRS RB trucks.? Perhaps someone on the list knows the actual story, but when John Verser introduced his ACF kit, it came without trucks (I infer much of the first production run went to G&W in Syracuse).? At some
later point he developed the trucks with integral brake beams.??
I think the other ones came even earlier, but I am not sure.? That indented half shaft to hold the side frame was a common feature of PRS trucks.
I was making some new shots, so I couple of minutes in my
'truck' drawer brought out some of the SSA/DesPlains Husky type RB trucks.? I had mentioned yesterday the two types produced.? They are shown in these photos.? Notice one is the first mostly unequalized version, while the other has a mounting 'peg' that
allows for more equalization movement.? I also put in a wheel that originally came with them...notice the roughness of the wheel--not a bad sound if you want emphasis on flat spots on wheels !? That truck works well with my single QualiCraft all door boxcar
of old--still a great looking car, BTW!
Bob Werre
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While it reviews an N scale model, this provides some background information on the drawbar connected cars.?
Stan Stokrocki
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Re: Des Plaines Gunderson Huskies
Interesting.? The kit that I put together had the type on the left.
?
Bill??
On 01/23/2025 2:06 PM EST Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:
?
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I was making some new shots, so I couple of minutes in my
'truck' drawer brought out some of the SSA/DesPlains Husky type RB trucks.? I had mentioned yesterday the two types produced.? They are shown in these photos.? Notice one is the first mostly unequalized version, while the other has a mounting 'peg' that allows for more equalization movement.? I also put in a wheel that originally came with them...notice the roughness of the wheel--not a bad sound if you want emphasis on flat spots on wheels !? That truck works well with my single QualiCraft all door boxcar of old--still a great looking car, BTW!
?
Bob Werre
Phototraxx
While it reviews an N scale model, this provides some background information on the drawbar connected cars.?
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Re: Des Plaines Gunderson Huskies
Jace,? Although I wasn't that much in
the loop, John and I talked frequently regarding some of his
projects.? Some of those projects were in the development of the 2
flat boxcar kits (X29 & CGW) that Desplains/ SSA finally
released.? When I was shooting his ad photos of the ACF as well as
some of his the 50' (DD) boxcars I would ask him about RB trucks.?
He always returned with the Ace versions.? He was reluctant to
tool any RBs.?
When I came to the first ever ACF
hopper cars, I was handed a test shot for the 3/16's S Magazine
intro photo.? That happened at one of the NASG conventions,
Pittsburgh perhaps!? I later talked with Walt and he was semi
happy to have John buy back what he didn't sell.? I put that test
shell in a drawer someplace, over the next few years,I purchased
several of the kits and gradually took those excess parts and
added nearly all the missing parts and drilled mounting holes in
that test shot.? The final result was a multi colored car just
like old Johnny Cash's Cadillac car/song!
?
I'll stick with my version that those
trucks were original from Jackman and only modified when or
shortly after he went belly up! Now however the trucks now sold by
SSA are another version all together!
Bob Werre
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Actually, Bob, I'm pretty sure those are both PRS RB trucks.?
Perhaps someone on the list knows the actual story, but when
John Verser introduced his ACF kit, it came without trucks (I
infer much of the first production run went to G&W in
Syracuse).? At some later point he developed the trucks with
integral brake beams.??
I think the other ones came even earlier, but I am not sure.?
That indented half shaft to hold the side frame was a common
feature of PRS trucks.
I was making some new shots, so I
couple of minutes in my
'truck' drawer brought out some
of the SSA/DesPlains Husky type RB trucks.? I had mentioned
yesterday the two types produced.? They are shown in these
photos.? Notice one is the first mostly unequalized version,
while the other has a mounting 'peg' that allows for more
equalization movement.? I also put in a wheel that originally
came with them...notice the roughness of the wheel--not a bad
sound if you want emphasis on flat spots on wheels !? That
truck works well with my single QualiCraft all door boxcar of
old--still a great looking car, BTW!
Bob Werre
Phototraxx
While it reviews an N scale model, this provides some
background information on the drawbar connected cars.?
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Actually, Bob, I'm pretty sure those are both PRS RB trucks.? Perhaps someone on the list knows the actual story, but when John Verser introduced his ACF kit, it came without trucks (I infer much of the first production run went to G&W in Syracuse).? At some
later point he developed the trucks with integral brake beams.??
I think the other ones came even earlier, but I am not sure.? That indented half shaft to hold the side frame was a common feature of PRS trucks.
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I was making some new shots, so I couple of minutes in my
'truck' drawer brought out some of the SSA/DesPlains Husky type RB trucks.? I had mentioned yesterday the two types produced.? They are shown in these photos.? Notice one is the first mostly unequalized version, while the other
has a mounting 'peg' that allows for more equalization movement.? I also put in a wheel that originally came with them...notice the roughness of the wheel--not a bad sound if you want emphasis on flat spots on wheels !? That truck works well with my single
QualiCraft all door boxcar of old--still a great looking car, BTW!
Bob Werre
Phototraxx
While it reviews an N scale model, this provides some background information on the drawbar connected cars.?
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Re: Des Plaines Gunderson Huskies
I was making some new shots, so I
couple of minutes in my
'truck' drawer brought out some of the
SSA/DesPlains Husky type RB trucks.? I had mentioned yesterday the
two types produced.? They are shown in these photos.? Notice one
is the first mostly unequalized version, while the other has a
mounting 'peg' that allows for more equalization movement.? I also
put in a wheel that originally came with them...notice the
roughness of the wheel--not a bad sound if you want emphasis on
flat spots on wheels !? That truck works well with my single
QualiCraft all door boxcar of old--still a great looking car, BTW!
Bob Werre
Phototraxx
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While it reviews an N scale model, this provides some
background information on the drawbar connected cars.?
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Re: Today’s S Scale project
Brooks, Wow! I really never counted, with out counting the other scales and gauges, I have modeled in the last 50 years. I will just count my S standard gauge. BTW, the Mutt is back in service for now. There are 6 rail up builds on the layout. Not counting the Mutt. There are 3 store bought brass models that went under the cutting torch to be rebuilt to Mopac standards. They are on the layout also.?  Mike Swederska?
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On Jan 23, 2025, at 10:14?AM, Brooks Stover via groups.io <bcstover@...> wrote:
? Mike,
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Like everyone on this list, I can only marvel at what you can do with brass!? I'm lucky if I can solder two wires together!? And I'm particularly impressed with how you accumulated parts over the years, not knowing at the time just where you'd use them.?
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Just out of curiosity, how many steam locomotives have you built from brass?
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Brooks Stover
-- Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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I suspected as much and was not planning on "heavy" containers unless i would choose to beef up the sides of the cars by sistering in some thicker stock styrene as a possibility.? For the mockups I just used corrugated and foam core with some small 3/8" square tiles glued into the boxes for a little bit of extra weight.
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No decision on colors or reporting marks yet.? I am not a time/place stickler, at this point I just like to model, whatever.? I tried to order some TTX and BN decals from DPH but their website is not currently taking credit cards, so one needs to call.? I can't paint until warmer weather, when I can get outside.? So still time to decide.
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Bill
Philadelphia
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Bill H.,
Early on with the Des Plaines and S Scale America Huskies, I found they can carry ONLY lightweight containers (plastic, foamcore, paper or cardboard). Die cast containers, while great as scenery, are too heavy for the frame and bolsters. I have one of these cars that is parked on a spur with nowhere to go (maybe the track owner will receive a storage fee). The frame is permanently bowed and the bolsters are bent. It took only a few hours on a display for the damage to occur.
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If you plan to use 20 foot containers on the Huskies, use them in pairs, on the bottom with a 40+ foot container on top. Do you have a Reporting Mark selected yet?
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Dave McBrayer
Auburn, CA
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Dave McBrayer
Auburn, CA
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Patience, trial and error.?
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If you think the Pacific is hard, the Northern's even harder.
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Rich G(ajnak)
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Re: Today’s S Scale project
Mike,
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Like everyone on this list, I can only marvel at what you can do with brass!? I'm lucky if I can solder two wires together!? And I'm particularly impressed with how you accumulated parts over the years, not knowing at the time just where you'd use them.?
?
Just out of curiosity, how many steam locomotives have you built from brass?
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Brooks Stover
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Troops,
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What's the secret to getting the gear of the driver to mesh with the gear of the drive train when replacing the driver's?
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Griff
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Bob Werre
Bill Lane
Ben
