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Re: STL File Sharing
Hello Bob,
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I know the problems and needs of a professional photographer from the inside. People "borrowing" pictures I made, even using them without permission for CD booklets and posters. Thank god that I, being member of a big journalist's union, have lawyer's assistance regarding such cases. In Germany, copyright laws are strict and I suggest not to steal other people's intellectual property. With stl files it's exactly the same. If I use them with the creator's kind permission for myself, it's something completely different from selling them pretending it's my own invention. And I would never do this. A Golden Rule in Germany says "Whatever you don't want someone to do to you, don't do it to anyone else". All my life I tried to obey this.
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Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans |
Re: STL File Sharing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI for one, do get it!? My entire life I
spent working hard to create work for myself and my clients.? I
didn't want anybody using my work or my clients property without
proper permission.? Of course I've also had the exact opposite
happen more than it should have.? It's one thing to use a file
with permission, but once it ends up in the universe--it's there
forever!? So it makes your file/work worthless or even less.?
My parents asked me why I did photos
for the local paper and wanted to be paid and then paid again and
again!? I once made the cover photo for USA Weekend magazine, so
all the hometown folks were impressed with millions of copies.?
But when Fox wanted to use it I demanded to get paid again!? My
lawyer said, 'it's just business!? I pay models, the pay for
locations fairly often, I pay to use cars, and yes, the UP wanted
major dollars to use their freight yard once, (but that didn't
happen). ?
The stories I could tell you!?
Value is what somebody is will to pay
for something!? There is always a footpath to walk away with!
Bob Werre
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Re: 3D Household Furniture
Dale:
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I have never done any 3D printing and have not worked with STL. I am, however, a competent 3D designer in Autocad, having worked with it for 35 years. I have perhaps a dozen Autocad (DWG) files of various furniture. I have attached an example -- a side chair. The DWG file is made up of the necessary solids to fully represent the chair in 3D. The attached file shows two isometric views of the solid. It is my understanding from a quick Google search that converting DWG to STL is widely available -- that makes sense, since Autocad is widely used for designing. Feel free to experiment with this -- if successful, let me know and I'll search out my furniture files. I hereby license the DWG as CC-BY-NC. Jim On 2024-12-27 16:39, Dale Minard via groups.io wrote:
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3D Household Furniture
Here's a question for you 3D designers:
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I like to furnish the interior of my structures with actual furniture rather than pictures and there seems to be a paucity of S Scale STL files available for download; I have, however, found that there is a lot of 1/12 scale dollhouse STL files available for very reasonable prices.? My question is, is there any software that's easy to use that will allow me to place drawer/cabinet fronts on the cabinets before I print them?
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Thanks,
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Dale Minard
San Diego S-Gaugers
Vista, Calif |
Re: Caterpillar Tractor Projects Interest
Put me down?for one (1) dozer, If still alive when produced? Old Pete Silcox On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 6:37?PM Richard Lee via <rjlee_77019=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: STL File Sharing
I don't get it. I put files on Thingiverse. STL's are resizable. I usually put "S Scale" in the title or description so S Scalers can find it. If some O Scaler wants to scale it up and use it, fine.
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As an example, I created a drawing for a fuel tank for the AM GP-35. You can search Thingiverse for "GP-35 Fuel Tank" and it shows up. In case you are not familiar with Thingiverse: When the main image shows up, you can click on a 3D button, and then rotate the view to see the part from any angle. I don't think Peter is going to replicate that. If some O scaler or (God forbid) some HO scaler wants a GP-35 tank drawing, he or she is not going to find it on the NASG website.
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Realize, too, that lots of models have multiple stl's. My "S Scale passenger car detail parts" has 15 stl files (so far), photos of completed assemblies using them, etc. That would be a big job to replicate.
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I would think at the most, Peter could create an index to files that were stored in repositories. Then it is totally up to the author to mange the access.
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Re: STL File Sharing
Scott, would you please contact me privately by email? Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164
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Re: STL File Sharing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI absolutely support the writer¡¯s position regarding NOT sharing STL files.? Within this group, several times I have put in a lot of research and time creating an STL for several people in this group, only to find it later on their Shapeways or other site for sale, with no attribution.? No longer will I provide any designs or STL files for anyone, except for a very select few . ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Pieter Roos via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2024 9:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-Scale] STL File Sharing ? Wow, this blew up quickly. ? I would think it would be clear that those who do not wish to share files, would not do so. Any more than we would expect people to share an article for NASG for free if the person intended it for MR or?RMC.? ? I would suggest that there are already sites designed for STL?file sharing, ¡°Thingiverse¡± for one. It might be a better fit for NASG to have a place to list files, maybe a picture and/or short description, and a link to where the file is available (all to be supplied by the creator, not Peter). That saves us sorting through all the content on multiple sites. Possibly an indicator for free vs. paid files. ? Those who make printed products only available would continue to list them on?NASG as any other product, the 3D printing aspect being irrelevant at that point. ? Pieter Roos ? ? On Friday, December 27, 2024, 8:50 AM, jim@... wrote:
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Re: cylindrical hoppers
An additional alternative is described here (Page 25): Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 7:52?AM Hans von Draminski via <hvdjournal=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: STL File Sharing
Wow, this blew up quickly.
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I would think it would be clear that those who do not wish to share files, would not do so. Any more than we would expect people to share an article for NASG for free if the person intended it for MR or?RMC.? I would suggest that there are already sites designed for STL?file sharing, ¡°Thingiverse¡± for one. It might be a better fit for NASG to have a place to list files, maybe a picture and/or short description, and a link to where the file is available (all to be supplied by the creator, not Peter). That saves us sorting through all the content on multiple sites. Possibly an indicator for free vs. paid files. Those who make printed products only available would continue to list them on?NASG as any other product, the 3D printing aspect being irrelevant at that point. Pieter Roos On Friday, December 27, 2024, 8:50 AM, jim@... wrote:
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Re: STL File Sharing
Peter:
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You said, " I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the NASG web site that are not in the public domain" That's a serious mistake. If a copyright owner puts a copyrighted work into the Public Domain (CC-0), then anyone can use it for any purpose, including making copies commercially without paying a royalty to the creator. As I suggested yesterday, it would be far better to apply a CC-BY-NC license which would allow anyone to use the work for their personal use, but requires a separate license from the creator for commercial use. None of this is complicated. In the US, all works created after March 1989 have an automatic copyright and all you have to do to license a work is to add the phrase "CC-BY-NC" to it wherever it appears. Jim On 2024-12-26 14:48, Peter Vanvliet wrote:
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Re: cylindrical hoppers
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 04:52 AM, Hans von Draminski wrote:
Has someone tried SMM's roller bearing trucks? Regarding their HP those have fine details and a stunning look. But I've never seen them in person. Changing the complete truck seems to be the fastest solution to get away from the "high water" appearance.Haven't tried SMM's trucks, but here's the AM truck vs the corrected Lionel truck with swapped scale wheels and bearings.? Yah, I know AM's not a 100 ton truck, but it's good 'nuf in my opinion.? Plus it's what I had on hand. ?
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Re: cylindrical hoppers
Addendum: The original pseudo scale wheels have axles that measure 1.28 mm. The new Hirail wheels have about 1.21 to 1.23 with corresponding bearings. To roll freely, the inner diameter of the bearings, 2nd and 3rd run, has to be a tiny bit bigger. I'd preferred a drill with a 1.4 diameter but couldn't find it in our local hardware shop. But the slightly bigger one did the job good enough. As important as widening the bearings is widening the truck itself. Has someone tried SMM's roller bearing trucks? Regarding their HP those have fine details and a stunning look. But I've never seen them in person. Changing the complete truck seems to be the fastest solution to get away from the "high water" appearance. But to do those well made Lionel cars right the trucks should be of adequate quality. Still sad they didn't continue this line...
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Re: GP35 Coupler Pocket & filler
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If you yourself are intending to use your STL files commercially -- or license their commercial use -- then you should not freely license them. But if not, then why not offer them with a CC-NC license (). Others could then make use of them, which is certainly a good thing for the hobby which does no harm to your pocketbook and some good to your ego. Any potential commercial user would have to be very stupid to use them without a license from you as the product would soon turn up in the NASG Product Gallery and you would be able to collect royalties. Jim Woodward On 2024-12-26 10:27, drgw223 via groups.io wrote:
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Caterpillar Tractor Projects Interest
Group, ? I am sending this out to determine interest in having S scale tractors available. There are three items of interest, which might be fabricated by SierraWest Scale Models, if there is enough interest. ? The first two items are already in SierraWest Scale Models¡¯s inventory in HO and O scales; that would be the Best Sixty tractor and the Hyster logging arch.? The cost in S scale would likely be in between the HO and O scale cost, so about $60 for the tractor and $50 for the logging arch. ? ? ITEM 3 is to convert a 1943 Japanese Komatsu bulldozer to a Caterpillar Diesel 50 with the LaPlant-Choate hydraulic blade (kit produced 2010).? I bought the kit from HobbyLinc for about $15.? https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32565/index.html ? I put a 1:64 ruler to my kit and found the tracks measure about 16¡± wide and the length of the tracks on the ground is about 87¡± which equals the dimensions shown for a Cat D5 (1967 ¨C 1977) on TractorData.? https://www.tractordata.com/industrial-tractors/000/5/9/598-caterpillar-d5.html? That's the closest I could find dimension data for. ? At some point, Backwoods Miniatures (BWM) produced the following conversion kits for this Tamiya model. ?
? Scroll down about ? to 1/3 on the page and you¡¯ll find the item.? Here is the description from BWM's website. ? ¡°NEW! CABLE DOZER and DETAILED ENGINE Conversion for Tamiya's 1/48 scale Japanese Dozer kit. Here's a useful set of pro-moulded resin parts to 'back date' Tamiya's Dozer kit which has a hydraulic blade. Our kit includes parts for the Cable Blade conversion as well as new hoodless bodyside mouldings with open engine compartment to show off the pre-assembled engine also provided. This kit is perfect for hauling our crawler-tracked trailers. Kit costs ?24 plus postage, including our seated driver figure.¡± ? The one I think is the easiest and closest conversion is the Diesel fifty with LaPlant-Choate blade. Caterpillar (1925-1949) ???????????
? A modeler could use the kit to convert the dozer to either an older cable-pull blade or just change out the engine and keep the LaPlant-Choate hydraulic blade.? So, you have a kit that works in O and S scales.?? ?? BWM closed up in 2016.? However, Brett might be able to bring this kit back to market if there is enough interest.? Price TBD. ? Therefore, respond to me directly at rjlee_77019@... if you are interested. --
Richard J Lee
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STL File Sharing
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I would be happy to provide a way to share .stl files on the NASG web site... ...HOWEVER... that would ONLY EVER BE DONE with the full blessing of the owner of the .stl file. If he/she wants to make it available in the public domain, I'd be happy to do so (and provide a good way to list and access them), but I will ABSOLUTELY NEVER store any .stl files on the NASG web site that are not in the public domain. *Everything* that is sent to me for, possible, inclusion on the NASG web site is "vetted" by me for copyright ownership. This includes files, documents, images, etc. (manufacturers' photos and images are excluded, as they get free "advertising" via a link to their site and News announcements in return for my using their photos and images on our web site). We currently have zero .stl files stored on the NASG web site or its server. - Peter (as NASG webmaster). -- Peter Vanvliet (info@...) owner, Fourth Ray Software Houston, Texas (personal web site) |
Re: GP35 Coupler Pocket & filler
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWell stated Ben!? Patents, copyrights
exist for a reason!
Bob Werre
On 12/25/24 2:54 PM, Ben via groups.io
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