I'm looking a single Nimco wheel....anyone happen to have a spare in good condition? ? 
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Okay now we've found the sources of S
sandhouses.? We've also seen one version--but the other unit
probably wasn't a strong seller!? Somebody must have built one or
has a photo tucked away!
This is also a good time to thank those
clubs who worked hard to make up these kits just to keep our
chosen modeling size alive.? None found themselves with financial
or political fortunes.
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
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On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 02:11:06 PM PST,
hall7009@... via groups.io
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Tom,
That club would have been Ernie Horr’s club.
In Washington State. Spokane area
Gale Hsll
On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:04 AM,
Tom Lennon via groups.io
<milepost169@...> wrote:
Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the
north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand
House kit? The brand name they had was initials.
Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."?
I didn't find it on our website.
Tommy
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Talk about getting it from the source! Thanks, Dan. Roger Nulton ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan Vandermause via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2024 7:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard? The sandhouse was indeed from the original Norfolk Southern, located at their yard in Norfolk. ?Attached is a photo I shot of the prototype in January 1974, shortly after the Norfolk Southern was absorbed by the Southern Railway. The sandhouse kit was originally produced by the Potomac Valley S Gaugers. ?I remember a meeting where we all sat around my kitchen table and drew outlines of the wall sections using templates and ball point pens. ?Later Frank Titman made this kit part of this extensive line of S scale building kits. I have also attached a copy of the plans included in the PVSGA kit. Dan Vandermause 
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As Brian points out rail traffic on the
once stable mid-states rail lines was in trouble.? When I had a
'guest' Rock Island unit, I paired it with one of my Milw units to
simulate how the roads shared the track-age hoping to find a line
that was still able to substain reasonable speeds!
Bob Werre
On 12/15/24 12:08 PM, Brian Jackson via
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Sometime in the early 70s, the stockyard was moved out of
Chicago to a new facility in Joliet. I don't know the history of
the packing plants however. I suspect they were still in
operation in their old locations within Chicago. They were under
increasing competition from newer, linear plants in Texas. The
old-style vertically integrated plants were seen as increasingly
inefficient. And the advent of mechanized refrigeration
eventually led to major changes in where the meat was processed.
Instead of bringing the livestock to the packing plants in major
metropolitan areas, the plants were located next to the vast
herds being fed in Texas, which increasingly became the norm in
the 70s. By the mid-80s, the curtain was closing quickly on
family famers feeding out beef cattle and sending them to
market.?
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For the cattlemen in southeastern Iowa, it was always a
question of whether to ship to Peoria or Chicago/Joliet. Much to
my amazement, a fragment of the Peoria stockyards still
operates.?
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I remember encountering the stockpens in Syracuse's Dewitt
yard in the late 60s-early 70s and recoiling from the smell. So
even into the early Penn-Central years, the railroad was still
shipping livestock to the packing plants on Manhattan's lower
west side.??
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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Re: BRASS ALCO S-2 from Overland (Ajin)
Hi Ed, just checking how I look on the S2 ?? ?I can go $400 if that brings a bigger smile. Let me know.?
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On Dec 13, 2024, at 10:11 AM, Ed Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...> wrote:
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Gents.....
Here is a never-run switcher available for your busy yard.? Probably has a DCC decoder, but I honestly do not remember for sure.? Let me know if that is important and I will take it apart and look.? My silent decoders work
on DCC and DC and so you are covered either way.??
The pictures tell the story.? ?Make me smile with your best reasonable offer and you can have a new yard switcher in time for Christmas.? Time is running out for Christmas delivery -- at least to the east coast from California.
Email preferred.? Phone works.? ? Loizeaux aht?
SBC //? Global daht?
net? ? ? 1-650-962-1577??
"S"incerely.........Ed Loizeaux
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Los Altos, CA
    
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Sometime in the early 70s, the stockyard was moved out of Chicago to a new facility in Joliet. I don't know the history of the packing plants however. I suspect they were still in operation in their old locations within Chicago. They were under increasing competition from newer, linear plants in Texas. The old-style vertically integrated plants were seen as increasingly inefficient. And the advent of mechanized refrigeration eventually led to major changes in where the meat was processed. Instead of bringing the livestock to the packing plants in major metropolitan areas, the plants were located next to the vast herds being fed in Texas, which increasingly became the norm in the 70s. By the mid-80s, the curtain was closing quickly on family famers feeding out beef cattle and sending them to market.?
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For the cattlemen in southeastern Iowa, it was always a question of whether to ship to Peoria or Chicago/Joliet. Much to my amazement, a fragment of the Peoria stockyards still operates.?
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I remember encountering the stockpens in Syracuse's Dewitt yard in the late 60s-early 70s and recoiling from the smell. So even into the early Penn-Central years, the railroad was still shipping livestock to the packing plants on Manhattan's lower west side.??
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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MILW had a large sheep pen at Kirkland IL. CB&Q had theirs at Montgomery, IL Q's grain elevator might still be there. You could see it from the Mainline. It had a large CB&Q herald painted on the side.
Union stockyards quit late sixties early 70s if I remember correctly . I still remember stock cars in transit on the Q. They were handled right behind the locomotives probably because the animals had to be detrained frequently and also because the rear end crew didn't want to be downwind from them!
I don't think I've ever seen a sales barn modeled in any scale. The tilted ramps for the trucks is a nice detail I well remember as common in sales barns. I can't count the number of times I had to sit through cattle and hog auctions in the sales barns at Oxford, Marengo, Belle Plaine, and Sigourney, Iowa with my grandfather. But I did get some railfanning in on the Rock Island at Marengo, the Milwaukee Road in Sigourney, and the North Western in Bell Plaine. I knew the handwriting was on the wall for The Rock and probably the Milwaukee too, so I look back now and realize how lucky I was to witness all three.? The North Western would send its Falcon Service piggyback trains roaring through the double-track, super-elevated curves in Belle Plaine with three or four SD40-2s in notch 8--probably the most impressive use of SD40s I've ever witnessed. Quite a contrast to The Rock's dog's breakfast of aging, dirty units with dying turbochargers on its Chicago-Omaha main. Or the Milwaukee's antique FM switchers.? ??
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My grandfather used to ship loads of cattle on the Milwaukee out of Williamsburg, Iowa to Chicago. The railroad would let him and other local cattlemen ride in the caboose all the way to the Union Stockyards. Long before my time though.?
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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Stockyard/Sales yard tour at 2015 NASG Kansas City
One of the highlights of the 2015 NASG convention in Kansas City was a tour of an active sales yard auction, and a relatively intact stockyard that was no longer using rail service.
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In my teens I explored a derelict, much smaller facility on the DL&W.
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Ann Arbor, Mich. USA
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K4 has lots of choices, good prices, good quality.
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I built a 4750 covered hopper by Ben Trousdale.? Does anyone know where I can get decals for it?? BN?
Steve Wolcott
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Try this:
https://www.cmrproducts.com/Burlington-Northern-BN-c64892036
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
The sandhouse was indeed from the original Norfolk Southern, located at their yard in Norfolk. ?Attached is a photo I shot of the prototype in January 1974, shortly after the Norfolk Southern was absorbed by the Southern Railway.
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The sandhouse kit was originally produced by the Potomac Valley S Gaugers. ?I remember a meeting where we all sat around my kitchen table and drew outlines of the wall sections using templates and ball point pens. ?Later Frank Titman made this kit part of this extensive line of S scale building kits.
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I have also attached a copy of the plans included in the PVSGA kit.
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Dan Vandermause  
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Ken Zieska worked with a decal maker for some. ?
Ben Trousdale?
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Thanks Dick. Anybody have an unbuilt kit? Tommy
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I built a 4750 covered hopper by Ben Trousdale.? Does anyone know where I can get decals for it?? BN?
Steve Wolcott
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Jace, That Springville NY auction house still exists and the auction is every Wednesday, along with a decent size flea market. The B&O tracks are long gone though. ? ? ?I saw a video once of how the northbound B&O crews used to split their road power so they could pull cars out of both facing point and trailing point sidings. The fireman ran one set of units with one of the brakemen to bend the irons and the engineer and the other brakeman the trailing point and stay in the clear on the siding until the other crew tacked their cars onto the train. I seem to recall a bit of an “illegal” drop (flying switch) being made as well. ? ? ? A short while before ?that line was abandoned the Milw 261 ran there on an excursion.? ? ? ?Bud Rindfleisch
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On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 02:11:06 PM PST, hall7009@... via groups.io <hall7009@...> wrote:
Tom,
That club would have been Ernie Horr’s club.
In Washington State. Spokane area
Gale Hsll
On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."?
I didn't find it on our website.
Tommy
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Yes!? The Inland Empire S Gauge Association marketed a kit for a sand storage house.? It had a sloped flat roof with a hatch on top.
(Memory restored; thanks, guys.)
-- Dick Karnes, MMR
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Tom,
That club would have been Ernie Horr’s club.
In Washington State. Spokane area
Gale Hsll
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
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Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."?
I didn't find it on our website.
Tommy
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Re: RSC2 was Riverton Stockyard
It's been eleven years since I left the area, so my memory had gotten a little fuzzy.
Yes, its origin was in the Winona and St Peter.
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Time for me to also correct my error's.?
My mentioning of the RSD, was in error they were actually RS2C.? Since that model wasn't made in S, I painted my RSD in MILW and numbered it according to the RSC obviously not a big difference but!
Bob Werre
Jace, the Alco line originated in Winona, not La Crosse.
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Nick Kinnear
Plainview, MN
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Jace,
Right both counts: ?original Norfolk Southern, and Potomac Valley S Gaugers did offer the kit ?1970-1971.
Gale Hsll
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 7:56 AM, JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...> wrote:
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I suspect Brother Karnes misremembered (since he is even older than I, that should not surprise); the only sandhouse kit done by a group of which I am aware was the [original] Norfolk Southern prototype by the Potomac Valley group.? I could be wrong, of course--as
noted at my age I have a lot of memories to keep track of.??
Ed Loizeaux offered a well-assembled one a few months ago, and I waited too long to grab another well-assembled kit at the 2023 NASG—someone else beat me to it; I did pick up a kit (perhaps at the Boxboro NASG), but it is not a shake-the-box.
Dick,
Ernie worked in a brake shop.? I had thoughts of that might be the reason he got cancer---those asbestos brake shoe dust can be a problem.? I was shooting Jess Bennett's layout when I thought about seeing Ernie.? However Jess indicated that he was so sick
he was pretty much in-active. I didn't know if he would appreciate my visit. or be an unwelcome element!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
Brother Werre is correct.? Ernie Horr, who owned the stockyard facility, lived in Spokane.? He was a friend of mine; my wife Ilze and I visited him and his wivfe in 1987 or thereabouts.? As I recall, Mrs. Horr,?a hairdresser,
had fun with her surname.? Oddly, I do not remember what Ernie did for a living...
Ernie was a hirailer.? All track was code 172, but he used John Bortz's converted Kadee HO couplers.? The name of his railroad was The Tinplate Road. He was a member of the Spokane Valley S Gauge Railroaders.? The group actually
developed and marketed a sandhouse structure kit that's seen on a lot of S layouts.
Ernie named nearly all of his industries after friends of his -- including me.? I emulated his practice on my layout, where you would have found Lee M. Johnson Medical Supplies, D. R. Thompson Icing facility, Jaxon Arms apartments,
R. Nulton Auto Rebuild, Gilbert M. Hulin Balls and Bats, Loizeaux's Liquors, L & M Sokol Palliatives, etc.
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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Roger Nulton
Charles Williams
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Dick Karnes, MMR