Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Awesome.? Thanks.
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John D
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On 12/14/2024 12:35 PM EST Jamie Bothwell via groups.io <jamie.bothwell610@...> wrote:
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John,
The website says that the LVM kit is based on a B&O prototype, but it is clearly?a copy of the Potomac Valley one, so I think you could?still get one from . (K&P's website says it's a B&O prototype, so some research may be necessary.)
Jamie Bothwell
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Re: Fw: [S-Scale] Sand House Confusion
Okay
Dan, another brain twister of a different nature--the club also
put together those ore jennies too--am I correct about that??
There are two of them down here, and I also had two NIB for some
time till it was evident that SHS was making their's.
Also back to the sandhouse, Sometime past one of our guys had a
mirror'ed (backward?) set of blueprints of the sand-house.? It
might have come from my acquiring it, but I gave it 'back' to that
somebody!? One was enough.?
Bob Werre
Jace:
The sand house kit you purchased was indeed first offered by my
old club, the Potomac Valley S Gaugers. ?I remember when I was
in high school in the 1960s, a PVSGA meeting was held in my
parents' home and we traced the kit walls out using ball point
pens.
The sand house was indeed an original Norfolk Southern structure
located at their small yard in Norfolk, VA. ?The kit plans ( I
have attached the only image I have of the kit plans) were
probably drawn by PVSGA member Wayne Shipp.
i cannot remember when Frank Titman picked up the kit and
continued producing it as part of his line of structures.
Dan Vandermause
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I knew that part of eastern Iowa: serving a small church in Burlington while working on a PhD in Iowa City (and driving between the two each weekend) gave me ample opportunity to enjoy the area.? The NRHS had a number of excursions in the area which I would
love to have gone on, but sadly they were all on Sundays...? The Crandic did run at least one daily train right through the University campus, crossing the Iowa River right behind the Literature building.
Full marks to Bob for recognizing an RSD at age six!? I dread the thought of painting it, but the RailMaster/Steam Depot RSD kit I just bought will probably need to be C&NW, as those were very common on the "Alco LIne" from LaCrosse out to South Dakota, passing
right through Eyota where my last church before full retirement was located.? Actually, the church was out in the country in the township of Viola, which had its own station a mile west on the Plainview branch.? I copied a lovely photo from the internet of
a C&NW RSD on a fairly long train heading south from Plainview; the branch had been gone for 12-15 years when I arrived, except for a mile or so off the mainline where the DM&E parked rolling stock not urgently needed for service.
When I was a boy (a few years before Bob), there was an auction barn in Springville NY where I went with relatives several times; it was very close to the B&O (ex-BR&P) tracks, although I have no idea how much stock traffic there may have been on the railroad
by then.? This was the late 1940's or early 1950's, when cattle traffic was already going to trucks, especially in the northeast.? It lasted longer in the upper midwest and far west, but even there rail movement of livestock was largely gone by the mid-1960's.
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Brian,? good memories for sure.? On the Milwaukee's Society magazine there's a fairly lengthy article on the their main. that one hosted the UP Cities trains that is mostly gone now having been a weed garden for some years before that.?
Our sales barn was about 1/3mile from the Milw's cattle pens, so I can only assume they were manhandled/driven horseback, back and forth.? In the first grade (56',) I went home with a classmate who lived nearer to the tracks.? There was a RSD shifting
cattle cars--quite a few...after the train left I never saw any again!? The pens became weathered gray, and I do recall there were two cast concrete counter weights--one had cracked, dropping part to the ground.? Funny how one remembers some things but at
that time there weren't too many things to remember either!
My wife had been to the sales barn but doesn't recall much however they did have a decent lunch counter.? It went through several owners then conveniently burned down.? Seemed to happen a bit too often around home!? Old grain elevators burn very impressively!
I also recall the TV stations giving their farm reporter a few minutes to quote the latest farm prices aka WKRP in Cinney!
Bob Werre
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I don't think I've ever seen a sales barn modeled in any scale. The tilted ramps for the trucks is a nice detail I well remember as common in sales barns. I can't count the number of times I had to sit through cattle and hog auctions in the sales barns
at Oxford, Marengo, Belle Plaine, and Sigourney, Iowa with my grandfather. But I did get some railfanning in on the Rock Island at Marengo, the Milwaukee Road in Sigourney, and the North Western in Bell Plaine. I knew the handwriting was on the wall for The
Rock and probably the Milwaukee too, so I look back now and realize how lucky I was to witness all three.? The North Western would send its Falcon Service piggyback trains roaring through the double-track, super-elevated curves in Belle Plaine with three or
four SD40-2s in notch 8--probably the most impressive use of SD40s I've ever witnessed. Quite a contrast to The Rock's dog's breakfast of aging, dirty units with dying turbochargers on its Chicago-Omaha main. Or the Milwaukee's antique FM switchers.? ??
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My grandfather used to ship loads of cattle on the Milwaukee out of Williamsburg, Iowa to Chicago. The railroad would let him and other local cattlemen ride in the caboose all the way to the Union Stockyards. Long before my time though.?
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
The NASG site already has photos of the Lehigh Valley Models sandhouse kit that I built: ?
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If anyone wants high-res versions of these photos, contact me.??
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Gaylord Gill
Highland, MI
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Re: Fw: [S-Scale] sandhouse
I'm glad somebody posted my photo from
a few years ago.? It's almost the same now, including that guy
slightly off kilter!? However, I put some white sand down around
it, but I really don't like the effect as it looks like snowfall!?
Yet the smaller sand facilities usually have lots of spillage
lying about!?
BTW, PBL put out a very nice model of
the Chama Sand house.? It's fairly large compared to the N&S
house,? but remember Chama was a Division Point on the NG where
they also pushed a lot of sand on the grades!
Bob Werre
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On 12/14/24 2:06 PM, JGG KahnSr via
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Someone already posted a photo to the list
Those plans look just like the ones I have or
had.? It was part of a collection from a current G scale guy
by the name of John Emerson.? John now lives in Amarillo,
Texas but once hung out with Bortz, Titman and the like.? He
managed to acquire a lot of stuff, as an engineer, he moved
to Saudi Arabia for several years in the oil business.?
After returning to Houston, he sold everything locally then
decided G was for him.? This sand house was part of that
collection as well as the smaller coaling tower from Leigh
Valley.?
I added the colored rolled roof covering,
some weathering and fixed a couple of dislodged items.? It
fits in a narrow area rather well.? I was surprised in that
the door and windows are plastic rather then the soft-metal
found in kits of that vintage.
Bob Werre
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Brian,? good memories for sure.? On the
Milwaukee's Society magazine there's a fairly lengthy article on
the their main. that one hosted the UP Cities trains that is
mostly gone now having been a weed garden for some years before
that.?
Our sales barn was about 1/3mile from
the Milw's cattle pens, so I can only assume they were
manhandled/driven horseback, back and forth.? In the first grade
(56',) I went home with a classmate who lived nearer to the
tracks.? There was a RSD shifting cattle cars--quite a few...after
the train left I never saw any again!? The pens became weathered
gray, and I do recall there were two cast concrete counter
weights--one had cracked, dropping part to the ground.? Funny how
one remembers some things but at that time there weren't too many
things to remember either!
My wife had been to the sales barn but
doesn't recall much however they did have a decent lunch counter.?
It went through several owners then conveniently burned down.?
Seemed to happen a bit too often around home!? Old grain elevators
burn very impressively!
I also recall the TV stations giving
their farm reporter a few minutes to quote the latest farm prices
aka WKRP in Cinney!
Bob Werre
Phototraxx
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I don't think I've ever seen a sales barn modeled in any
scale. The tilted ramps for the trucks is a nice detail I well
remember as common in sales barns. I can't count the number of
times I had to sit through cattle and hog auctions in the sales
barns at Oxford, Marengo, Belle Plaine, and Sigourney, Iowa with
my grandfather. But I did get some railfanning in on the Rock
Island at Marengo, the Milwaukee Road in Sigourney, and the
North Western in Bell Plaine. I knew the handwriting was on the
wall for The Rock and probably the Milwaukee too, so I look back
now and realize how lucky I was to witness all three.? The North
Western would send its Falcon Service piggyback trains roaring
through the double-track, super-elevated curves in Belle Plaine
with three or four SD40-2s in notch 8--probably the most
impressive use of SD40s I've ever witnessed. Quite a contrast to
The Rock's dog's breakfast of aging, dirty units with dying
turbochargers on its Chicago-Omaha main. Or the Milwaukee's
antique FM switchers.? ??
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My grandfather used to ship loads of cattle on the Milwaukee
out of Williamsburg, Iowa to Chicago. The railroad would let him
and other local cattlemen ride in the caboose all the way to the
Union Stockyards. Long before my time though.?
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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Fw: [S-Scale] Sand House Confusion
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Jace:
The sand house kit you purchased was indeed first offered by my old club, the Potomac Valley S Gaugers. ?I remember when I was in high school in the 1960s, a PVSGA meeting was held in my parents' home and we traced the kit walls out using ball point pens.
The sand house was indeed an original Norfolk Southern structure located at their small yard in Norfolk, VA. ?The kit plans ( I have attached the only image I have of the kit plans) were probably drawn by PVSGA member Wayne Shipp.
i cannot remember when Frank Titman picked up the kit and continued producing it as part of his line of structures.
Dan Vandermause
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Someone already posted a photo to the list
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Those plans look just like the ones I have or had.? It was part of a collection from a current G scale guy by the name of John Emerson.? John now lives in Amarillo, Texas but once hung out with Bortz, Titman and the like.? He managed to acquire
a lot of stuff, as an engineer, he moved to Saudi Arabia for several years in the oil business.? After returning to Houston, he sold everything locally then decided G was for him.? This sand house was part of that collection as well as the smaller coaling
tower from Leigh Valley.?
I added the colored rolled roof covering, some weathering and fixed a couple of dislodged items.? It fits in a narrow area rather well.? I was surprised in that the door and windows are plastic rather then the soft-metal found in kits of
that vintage.
Bob Werre
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
And surely Peter Van Vliet would welcome a photo for the NASG website
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 08:02 AM, John Degnan wrote:
Can anyone share an image of the kit or completed model?
John....Roger Haag purchased mine.? It is probably in transit as you read this.? Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA
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Re: Surplus Items For Sake
Shane,
If the AM S12 is still available, I am interested.
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Michael McConnell
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I don't think I've ever seen a sales barn modeled in any scale. The tilted ramps for the trucks is a nice detail I well remember as common in sales barns. I can't count the number of times I had to sit through cattle and hog auctions in the sales barns at Oxford, Marengo, Belle Plaine, and Sigourney, Iowa with my grandfather. But I did get some railfanning in on the Rock Island at Marengo, the Milwaukee Road in Sigourney, and the North Western in Bell Plaine. I knew the handwriting was on the wall for The Rock and probably the Milwaukee too, so I look back now and realize how lucky I was to witness all three.? The North Western would send its Falcon Service piggyback trains roaring through the double-track, super-elevated curves in Belle Plaine with three or four SD40-2s in notch 8--probably the most impressive use of SD40s I've ever witnessed. Quite a contrast to The Rock's dog's breakfast of aging, dirty units with dying turbochargers on its Chicago-Omaha main. Or the Milwaukee's antique FM switchers.? ??
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My grandfather used to ship loads of cattle on the Milwaukee out of Williamsburg, Iowa to Chicago. The railroad would let him and other local cattlemen ride in the caboose all the way to the Union Stockyards. Long before my time though.?
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Inland Empire S Gaugers has been dead a long time.? As always, Tom Dempsey, Spokane WA
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 08:04:54 AM PST, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."? I didn't find it on our website. Tommy
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Of course Jace is correct. ?My bad. ?The Potomac Valley group did the sand house kit. ?Maybe someone else can prod my memory as to what product the Spokane guys offered…? -- Dick Karnes, MMR
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John, The website says that the LVM kit is based on a B&O prototype, but it is clearly?a copy of the Potomac Valley one, so I think you could?still get one from . (K&P's website says it's a B&O prototype, so some research may be necessary.) Jamie Bothwell
On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:18?AM Tom Lennon via <milepost169= [email protected]> wrote: John D, and others. If you search this site for Sand House and find the listing for the LVM kit, keep scrolling?down. I saw PVs listing? there, but I couldn't?find PV by searching "Manufacturers". Tommy
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 08:02 AM, John Degnan wrote:
Can anyone share an image of the kit or completed model?
John....Roger Haag purchased mine.? It is probably in transit as you read this.? Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA
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Re: Today’s S Scale project
Mike the steps look?great . The tender is perfect as always.
Luther “S “tephens --
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
John D, and others. If you search this site for Sand House and find the listing for the LVM kit, keep scrolling?down. I saw PVs listing? there, but I couldn't?find PV by searching "Manufacturers". Tommy
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
Back in the Herald era, wasn't there a group in the north central Rocky Mountain states that had a Sand House kit? The brand name they had was initials. Something like "I.E.S.G.N.S.X.X."? I didn't find it on our website. Tommy
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Re: Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
I find no listing of the Potomac Valley name on the NASG.org site, therefore not photo of this model.
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Can anyone share an image of the kit or completed model?
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If it is, indeed, a replica of an original NS prototype... I need at least one of them, as the original NS is among my modeling interests.
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John D
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On 12/14/2024 8:56 AM EST JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...> wrote:
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I suspect Brother Karnes misremembered (since he is even older than I, that should not surprise); the only sandhouse kit done by a group of which I am aware was the [original] Norfolk Southern prototype by the Potomac Valley group.? I could be wrong, of course--as noted at my age I have a lot of memories to keep track of.??
Ed Loizeaux offered a well-assembled one a few months ago, and I waited too long to grab another well-assembled kit at the 2023 NASG—someone else beat me to it; I did pick up a kit (perhaps at the Boxboro NASG), but it is not a shake-the-box.
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Dick,
Ernie worked in a brake shop.? I had thoughts of that might be the reason he got cancer---those asbestos brake shoe dust can be a problem.? I was shooting Jess Bennett's layout when I thought about seeing Ernie.? However Jess indicated that he was so sick he was pretty much in-active. I didn't know if he would appreciate my visit. or be an unwelcome element!
Bob Werre
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Brother Werre is correct.? Ernie Horr, who owned the stockyard facility, lived in Spokane.? He was a friend of mine; my wife Ilze and I visited him and his wivfe in 1987 or thereabouts.? As I recall, Mrs. Horr,?a hairdresser, had fun with her surname.? Oddly, I do not remember what Ernie did for a living...
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Ernie was a hirailer.? All track was code 172, but he used John Bortz's converted Kadee HO couplers.? The name of his railroad was The Tinplate Road. He was a member of the Spokane Valley S Gauge Railroaders.? The group actually developed and marketed a sandhouse structure kit that's seen on a lot of S layouts.
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Ernie named nearly all of his industries after friends of his -- including me.? I emulated his practice on my layout, where you would have found Lee M. Johnson Medical Supplies, D. R. Thompson Icing facility, Jaxon Arms apartments, R. Nulton Auto Rebuild, Gilbert M. Hulin Balls and Bats, Loizeaux's Liquors, L & M Sokol Palliatives, etc.
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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Sandhouse (was Riverton Stockyard
I suspect Brother Karnes misremembered (since he is even older than I, that should not surprise); the only sandhouse kit done by a group of which I am aware was the [original] Norfolk Southern prototype by the Potomac Valley group.? I could be wrong, of course--as
noted at my age I have a lot of memories to keep track of.??
Ed Loizeaux offered a well-assembled one a few months ago, and I waited too long to grab another well-assembled kit at the 2023 NASG—someone else beat me to it; I did pick up a kit (perhaps at the Boxboro NASG), but it is not a shake-the-box.
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Dick,
Ernie worked in a brake shop.? I had thoughts of that might be the reason he got cancer---those asbestos brake shoe dust can be a problem.? I was shooting Jess Bennett's layout when I thought about seeing Ernie.? However Jess indicated that he was so sick
he was pretty much in-active. I didn't know if he would appreciate my visit. or be an unwelcome element!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
Brother Werre is correct.? Ernie Horr, who owned the stockyard facility, lived in Spokane.? He was a friend of mine; my wife Ilze and I visited him and his wivfe in 1987 or thereabouts.? As I recall, Mrs. Horr,?a hairdresser,
had fun with her surname.? Oddly, I do not remember what Ernie did for a living...
Ernie was a hirailer.? All track was code 172, but he used John Bortz's converted Kadee HO couplers.? The name of his railroad was The Tinplate Road. He was a member of the Spokane Valley S Gauge Railroaders.? The group actually
developed and marketed a sandhouse structure kit that's seen on a lot of S layouts.
Ernie named nearly all of his industries after friends of his -- including me.? I emulated his practice on my layout, where you would have found Lee M. Johnson Medical Supplies, D. R. Thompson Icing facility, Jaxon Arms apartments,
R. Nulton Auto Rebuild, Gilbert M. Hulin Balls and Bats, Loizeaux's Liquors, L & M Sokol Palliatives, etc.
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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John Degnan
Bob Werre
Dick Karnes, MMR
Tom Lennon