Re: Western Pacific F Unit Gathering on the Sierra Northern
Kind of outside the scope?
If you have a model railroad you also may be on the ownership/management side?????? ? Stan
Bob is right. And sometimes a strike is the only instrument some employers will understand. Being a labour union's member by myself I've learned some things the hard way...
Heartful greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans
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Locomotive Workshop Boxcar Restoration
I recently acquired a boxcar built from a Locomotive Workshop kit from Ed Loizeaux.? Ed isn't sure who originally assembled the car.? I upgraded it with parts from PRS,? added some detail, repainted it, lettered it with Tichy decals and weathered it with pastels and acrylic 'rust'.? The third photo shows the car between an SHS boxcar (with Creco doors) and an AM boxcar (with a little added detail).? ?
I see on the NASG website there is a photo of an unassembled kit in the PRODUCT GALLERY which helps put in perspective how difficult these might have been to assemble, especially if there was any warpage in the 'flat' parts.? Ed suggested they were so hard to assemble that no one ever built two!? Anyway, I'm happy to have a piece of S history refurbished and in operation on the BC&G.?
Can anyone shed any light on exactly what years these Locomotive Workshop kits were in production?? Are any unassembled kits known to exist?
Brooks Stover
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Re: Western Pacific F Unit Gathering on the Sierra Northern
If you have a model railroad you also may be on the ownership/management side?????? ? Stan
Bob is right. And sometimes a strike is the only instrument some employers will understand. Being a labour union's member by myself I've learned some things the hard way...
Heartful greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans
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The recent thread on "JTT Corn" said they have "O" and "HO" and the "HO" is perhaps oversized.
I could find three MR articles about cornfields.? The astro turf and brass mentioned, and a plastic molded one.
Here they are with a photo from each article.
April 1993, pp 120-121 "An 'amaizing' way to model cornfields" (Uses artificial-turf doormat)
June 2002, pp 62-63 "Make your own brass cornfield" (Uses Alkem Scale Models HO-CR HO scale corn rows)
September 2006, pp 40-42 "Add a cornfield to your layout" (Uses Busch's plastic cornfield kit no. 1202)
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 04:33:56 AM PDT, Jim & Cheryl Martin <themartins@...> wrote:
Hi Bob. MR had an article many years ago on using the photo etched corn. Because you only get a few square inches of the brass stalks, the author painted a suggestion of corn on the backdrop and then planted two rows of the 3D corn in front. By using the corn in a long row instead of a small patch, the overall effect was very realistic.
Jim Martin
Several days ago we were shown a photo of a corn
field track-side.? I also had thoughts of something similar so I
bought some etched brass versions in HO.? I put them aside as I
put some thought into the scene--I guess it's been a dozen years
but the corn still hasn't been planted!?
So a few days ago I unearthed the two etched
sheets.? The supplier,? Alkem talks about 'planting' the stalks
by rows,? It seems they are HO and perhaps a bit short for even
that scale.? It does take some addition
work to refine things to make them acceptable.? The retail was
$13 for two sheets so my patch would also be small--maybe just
enough for small batch of Moon Shine!? I
remember some discussions regarding the seed suppliers
indicating smaller stalks translating into larger ears.? I
haven't picked any corn in many years so if you have some
acreage devoted to corn--help me/us!? Scan is attached.
Bob Werre
PS? The primary freight on Len Giovannoli"s
Kentucky layout was named "The Revenuer"? as he had come from
sour mash country!
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Yes Jim, that seems like the way to
go.? Unless one could copy the brass versions, make several copies
a bit taller from thin plastic using punch type affair!? Just
thinking out loud!
A 'past-on' local HO modeler, Mike
Spoor once used some Astro-turf for his corn field that at the
time looked reasonable to me.? (Mike edited and published several
books on the CB&Q)? However I haven't seen the layout in
several years, if it still survives!? , With that being said
there's probably some other row crop that might be better using
that same material? The Astro-turf, used to be sold at typical
builder's mart in 12' wide rolls? as indoor/outdoor carpet--other
versions use a much larger turf as smaller doormats.?
Bob Werre
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Hi Bob. MR
had an article many years ago on using the photo etched corn.
Because you only get a few square inches of the brass stalks,
the author painted a suggestion of corn on the backdrop and
then planted two rows of the 3D corn in front. By using the
corn in a long row instead of a small patch, the overall
effect was very realistic.
Jim Martin
Several days ago we were shown a photo of
a corn field track-side.? I also had thoughts of
something similar so I bought some etched brass versions
in HO.? I put them aside as I put some thought into the
scene--I guess it's been a dozen years but the corn
still hasn't been planted!?
So a few days ago I unearthed the two
etched sheets.? The supplier,? Alkem talks about
'planting' the stalks by rows,? It seems they are HO and
perhaps a bit short for even that scale.? It does take some addition work to refine
things to make them acceptable.? The retail was $13 for
two sheets so my patch would also be small--maybe just
enough for small batch of Moon Shine!? I remember some discussions regarding the seed
suppliers indicating smaller stalks translating into
larger ears.? I haven't picked any corn in many years so
if you have some acreage devoted to corn--help me/us!?
Scan is attached.
Bob Werre
PS? The primary freight on Len
Giovannoli"s Kentucky layout was named "The Revenuer"?
as he had come from sour mash country!
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Re: Western Pacific F Unit Gathering on the Sierra Northern
Bob is right. And sometimes a strike is the only instrument some employers will understand. Being a labour union's member by myself I've learned some things the hard way...
Heartful greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans
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Re: seeking advice from mechanical/engineering types!
? ? ? I'd build the door using aluminum angle and strips and TIG weld it together to make a multi cell, each cell being about ?9" squares. The top would be a 1/8" thick ?piece of Polycarbonate. Here locally we have a Junior college that has day and evening welding classes for welders to get certified. I've taken projects to the instructor and students have gladly took on the projects.?My cost for various projects was the metals and some Pizzas.
? ? ?For building many of my display cases my local plastic supplier has cut the polycarbonate to size for me to use as the display case windows. Polycarbonate does come in various colors and is extremely strong, not like the cheap acrylic plastic sheet.
Rusty
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Hi Bob. MR had an article many years ago on using the photo etched corn. Because you only get a few square inches of the brass stalks, the author painted a suggestion of corn on the backdrop and then planted two rows of the 3D corn in front. By using the corn in a long row instead of a small patch, the overall effect was very realistic.
Jim Martin
Several days ago we were shown a photo of a corn
field track-side.? I also had thoughts of something similar so I
bought some etched brass versions in HO.? I put them aside as I
put some thought into the scene--I guess it's been a dozen years
but the corn still hasn't been planted!?
So a few days ago I unearthed the two etched
sheets.? The supplier,? Alkem talks about 'planting' the stalks
by rows,? It seems they are HO and perhaps a bit short for even
that scale.? It does take some addition
work to refine things to make them acceptable.? The retail was
$13 for two sheets so my patch would also be small--maybe just
enough for small batch of Moon Shine!? I
remember some discussions regarding the seed suppliers
indicating smaller stalks translating into larger ears.? I
haven't picked any corn in many years so if you have some
acreage devoted to corn--help me/us!? Scan is attached.
Bob Werre
PS? The primary freight on Len Giovannoli"s
Kentucky layout was named "The Revenuer"? as he had come from
sour mash country!
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Shortstalks in small area sounds like sweet corn patch. ?
Short stalks can also be mid summer before corn reaches full height? Sent from my Tardis -- Ted Larson trainweb.org/mhrr/??????? --------??????? NASG.org??????? --------??????? GN in 1965
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Western Pacific F Unit Gathering on the Sierra Northern
Hi Bob --
You are having way too much fun!? ?Neat!
Bill Winans
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If it's only knee high, the farmer's in trouble. Sweet corn is shorter than feed corn. Also has light green tassels rather than reddish. Each stalk has one ear generally.
Former employee of DeKalb Ag.
I don¡¯t see any ears on those stalks, so short might be fine. ?¡°Knee high by the Fourth of July¡± used to be the refrain.
Several days ago we were shown a photo of a corn
field track-side.? I also had thoughts of something similar so I
bought some etched brass versions in HO.? I put them aside as I
put some thought into the scene--I guess it's been a dozen years
but the corn still hasn't been planted!?
So a few days ago I unearthed the two etched
sheets.? The supplier,? Alkem talks about 'planting' the stalks
by rows,? It seems they are HO and perhaps a bit short for even
that scale.? It does take some addition
work to refine things to make them acceptable.? The retail was
$13 for two sheets so my patch would also be small--maybe just
enough for small batch of Moon Shine!? I
remember some discussions regarding the seed suppliers
indicating smaller stalks translating into larger ears.? I
haven't picked any corn in many years so if you have some
acreage devoted to corn--help me/us!? Scan is attached.
Bob Werre
PS? The primary freight on Len Giovannoli"s
Kentucky layout was named "The Revenuer"? as he had come from
sour mash country!
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Sweet corn. ?Sweet corn stays pretty short.
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On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:20, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:
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Several days ago we were shown a photo of a corn
field track-side.? I also had thoughts of something similar so I
bought some etched brass versions in HO.? I put them aside as I
put some thought into the scene--I guess it's been a dozen years
but the corn still hasn't been planted!?
So a few days ago I unearthed the two etched
sheets.? The supplier,? Alkem talks about 'planting' the stalks
by rows,? It seems they are HO and perhaps a bit short for even
that scale.? It does take some addition
work to refine things to make them acceptable.? The retail was
$13 for two sheets so my patch would also be small--maybe just
enough for small batch of Moon Shine!? I
remember some discussions regarding the seed suppliers
indicating smaller stalks translating into larger ears.? I
haven't picked any corn in many years so if you have some
acreage devoted to corn--help me/us!? Scan is attached.
Bob Werre
PS? The primary freight on Len Giovannoli"s
Kentucky layout was named "The Revenuer"? as he had come from
sour mash country!
<corn stalks.jpeg>
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I don¡¯t see any ears on those stalks, so short might be fine. ?¡°Knee high by the Fourth of July¡± used to be the refrain.
Several days ago we were shown a photo of a corn
field track-side.? I also had thoughts of something similar so I
bought some etched brass versions in HO.? I put them aside as I
put some thought into the scene--I guess it's been a dozen years
but the corn still hasn't been planted!?
So a few days ago I unearthed the two etched
sheets.? The supplier,? Alkem talks about 'planting' the stalks
by rows,? It seems they are HO and perhaps a bit short for even
that scale.? It does take some addition
work to refine things to make them acceptable.? The retail was
$13 for two sheets so my patch would also be small--maybe just
enough for small batch of Moon Shine!? I
remember some discussions regarding the seed suppliers
indicating smaller stalks translating into larger ears.? I
haven't picked any corn in many years so if you have some
acreage devoted to corn--help me/us!? Scan is attached.
Bob Werre
PS? The primary freight on Len Giovannoli"s
Kentucky layout was named "The Revenuer"? as he had come from
sour mash country!
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Several days ago we were shown a photo of a corn
field track-side.? I also had thoughts of something similar so I
bought some etched brass versions in HO.? I put them aside as I
put some thought into the scene--I guess it's been a dozen years
but the corn still hasn't been planted!?
So a few days ago I unearthed the two etched
sheets.? The supplier,? Alkem talks about 'planting' the stalks
by rows,? It seems they are HO and perhaps a bit short for even
that scale.? It does take some addition
work to refine things to make them acceptable.? The retail was
$13 for two sheets so my patch would also be small--maybe just
enough for small batch of Moon Shine!? I
remember some discussions regarding the seed suppliers
indicating smaller stalks translating into larger ears.? I
haven't picked any corn in many years so if you have some
acreage devoted to corn--help me/us!? Scan is attached.
Bob Werre
PS? The primary freight on Len Giovannoli"s
Kentucky layout was named "The Revenuer"? as he had come from
sour mash country!
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Re: Western Pacific F Unit Gathering on the Sierra Northern
Yes a nice scene, but it also could be
understood that the WP is in the middle of a strike!? As that
appears to be a large chunk of their
actual roster!
Bob Werre
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Over the past few weeks I've been converting SHS F7A's and AM
F7B's into Western Pacific freight units from WP's first EMD F7
order of 1951. Here's a gathering of WP F's that include three
A-B-B lash ups of freight F7's, an A-B-B set of passenger
California Zephyr F3's and one of WP's initial order of FT units
(Overland brass).? All of the first A and B units are modified SHS
models while the trailing second B units are unpowered AM models
with details/handrails added to bring them up to SHS standards.
Bob Hogan
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Re: Western Pacific F Unit Gathering on the Sierra Northern
Bob
Those look great, nice work
Colin Stewart? Inverness?
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On 27 Jun 2024, at 16:17, adguytrains <bob.hogan@...> wrote:
?Over the past few weeks I've been converting SHS F7A's and AM F7B's into Western Pacific freight units from WP's first EMD F7 order of 1951. Here's a gathering of WP F's that include three A-B-B lash ups of freight F7's, an A-B-B set of passenger California Zephyr F3's and one of WP's initial order of FT units (Overland brass).? All of the first A and B units are modified SHS models while the trailing second B units are unpowered AM models with details/handrails added to bring them up to SHS standards. Bob Hogan
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Western Pacific F Unit Gathering on the Sierra Northern
Over the past few weeks I've been converting SHS F7A's and AM F7B's into Western Pacific freight units from WP's first EMD F7 order of 1951. Here's a gathering of WP F's that include three A-B-B lash ups of freight F7's, an A-B-B set of passenger California Zephyr F3's and one of WP's initial order of FT units (Overland brass).? All of the first A and B units are modified SHS models while the trailing second B units are unpowered AM models with details/handrails added to bring them up to SHS standards.
Bob Hogan
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Re: John Wickham's Email address.
Thank you muchley!! On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:56?AM EdSauers via groups.io <Dockside98@...> wrote:
Richard,
Johns email id Scottw90@...
Ed Sauers
On 6/26/2024 9:49 AM, Richard Haley via groups.io wrote:
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Re: seeking advice from mechanical/engineering types!
Bob,
Thank you for your reply.? You have put a lot of thought into the "door" and access to it re the safety of yourself and others.? I'll go back to lurking now.?? Have a great time modelling.
Dave McBrayer
Auburn, CA
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On 06/27/2024 6:16 AM, Bob Werre via groups.io wrote: Dave & Others,
I'll try and answer your questions as they are good.? Depending on traffic, and temperature the door might be open much of the time--November's tour is where the temp is moderate and humidity is agreeable with folks entering/leaving easily.? The AC/heat is a major factor as we seem to waste much of the energy we produce.? I generally have the door closed so myself and a couple of others can have a good time.? As I recently indicated the new kittens will love getting into things along with older neighbor cats, who have ventured inside to keep warm along with one lost bird!
The door is basically two sheets of glued plywood 1/2" and 3/4" but cut to 3' wide X 8' long.? I really didn't know what data could be found regarding keeping things straight without sagging and still be manageable weight wise.? The friend with some architectural experience (in remodeling/home building) who did the blueprints and basic deign had assumed that I was going to use a hollow core door similar to the old school inclined outdoor cellar? door--I knew that wasn't going to work.? I just could imagine three guys @200+ lbs being held up safely!? Usually one person is the load but we always hear of outside second floor decks that come crashing down during a party--didn't want that!? I also have some experience with office type solid core office doors (primarily for fire protection) and all their dead weight too!
The protection part of the floor and it's corresponding 'big black hole' is a problem.? I have a narrow walkway along the open edge that I use to get to the main entrance knob (a key locking deadbolt inset into the floor/decking)? So I will close the door, then stand on it and close the deadbolt. When it's open like any stairway, anybody can back into it and tumble.? I do have a plastic decorative chain across the opening (just like the safety chains between diesel units or caboose ends) but it's for a visuals purpose warning.? On the hinge side it's only 5" to the wall with mainline just above the door itself.? The top of the door in actually under the turntable area of the layout, so I feel that area is protected with the exception of the little people who have been known to wander around.? The other open edge is where my workbench is located, so it blocks access to that opening except for the narrow walkway.
I did have a city inspector give a final approval after having a couple of wiring issues (I simply didn't understand the procedures) and then issue a waver on the slab sections (laid more than a year earlier which was again wheel-barreled in by fellow S guys).? He specified installing a safety railing on the steps, but didn't mention a railing around the opening itself, but I already had much of that in my mind's design!? As you can see I recently installed a short "chunk" of railing (run diagonally) on the door itself that helps in navigation of the first step or two.? Over the years, I've been watching how people from the very young to just before the 'walker' bunch use the stairs, 'cause I knew I was not getting any younger!? I've always kept an eye on how visitors are 'handled' as guests at conventions/tours!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
Bob W.
The preceding responses have ranged from very good to potentially dangerous.? Before this thread gets too far out in the weeds, please clarify the purpose and expectations for your train room "door". The photos you provided in your first post were full of great details.? You are your own architect for this "door".
In no particular order I offer the following questions to help resolve your design criteria.
1.? Is the "door" intended to only keep pets, critters and unauthorized persons out of the train room?
2.? Is the "door", when 'closed' intended to support the weight (in the manner of a 'floor') of an authorized train room visitor?
3.? If not intended to function as a "floor", how will you protect an authorized visitor from a serious fall down the stairs should the "door" remain 'open' during train room activity?
When equipped with your answers to the above questions, I hope the commenters will provide more meaningful suggestions.
--Dave McBrayer
Auburn, CA
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On 06/26/2024 11:49 AM, AJ via groups.io wrote:
Have you considered a lighter door? I can't determine your exact construction but thinner plywood, 1x cross braces and a solid foam core might be as strong but less weight.
AJ
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Dave McBrayer
Auburn, CA
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Re: seeking advice from mechanical/engineering types!
Dave & Others,
I'll try and answer your questions as they are good.? Depending on traffic, and temperature the door might be open much of the time--November's tour is where the temp is moderate and humidity is agreeable with folks entering/leaving easily.? The AC/heat is a major factor as we seem to waste much of the energy we produce.? I generally have the door closed so myself and a couple of others can have a good time.? As I recently indicated the new kittens will love getting into things along with older neighbor cats, who have ventured inside to keep warm along with one lost bird!
The door is basically two sheets of glued plywood 1/2" and 3/4" but cut to 3' wide X 8' long.? I really didn't know what data could be found regarding keeping things straight without sagging and still be manageable weight wise.? The friend with some architectural experience (in remodeling/home building) who did the blueprints and basic deign had assumed that I was going to use a hollow core door similar to the old school inclined outdoor cellar? door--I knew that wasn't going to work.? I just could imagine three guys @200+ lbs being held up safely!? Usually one person is the load but we always hear of outside second floor decks that come crashing down during a party--didn't want that!? I also have some experience with office type solid core office doors (primarily for fire protection) and all their dead weight too!
The protection part of the floor and it's corresponding 'big black hole' is a problem.? I have a narrow walkway along the open edge that I use to get to the main entrance knob (a key locking deadbolt inset into the floor/decking)? So I will close the door, then stand on it and close the deadbolt. When it's open like any stairway, anybody can back into it and tumble.? I do have a plastic decorative chain across the opening (just like the safety chains between diesel units or caboose ends) but it's for a visuals purpose warning.? On the hinge side it's only 5" to the wall with mainline just above the door itself.? The top of the door in actually under the turntable area of the layout, so I feel that area is protected with the exception of the little people who have been known to wander around.? The other open edge is where my workbench is located, so it blocks access to that opening except for the narrow walkway.
I did have a city inspector give a final approval after having a couple of wiring issues (I simply didn't understand the procedures) and then issue a waver on the slab sections (laid more than a year earlier which was again wheel-barreled in by fellow S guys).? He specified installing a safety railing on the steps, but didn't mention a railing around the opening itself, but I already had much of that in my mind's design!? As you can see I recently installed a short "chunk" of railing (run diagonally) on the door itself that helps in navigation of the first step or two.? Over the years, I've been watching how people from the very young to just before the 'walker' bunch use the stairs, 'cause I knew I was not getting any younger!? I've always kept an eye on how visitors are 'handled' as guests at conventions/tours!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
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Bob W.
The preceding responses have ranged from very good to potentially dangerous.? Before this thread gets too far out in the weeds, please clarify the purpose and expectations for your train room "door". The photos you provided in your first post were full of great details.? You are your own architect for this "door".
In no particular order I offer the following questions to help resolve your design criteria.
1.? Is the "door" intended to only keep pets, critters and unauthorized persons out of the train room?
2.? Is the "door", when 'closed' intended to support the weight (in the manner of a 'floor') of an authorized train room visitor?
3.? If not intended to function as a "floor", how will you protect an authorized visitor from a serious fall down the stairs should the "door" remain 'open' during train room activity?
When equipped with your answers to the above questions, I hope the commenters will provide more meaningful suggestions.
--Dave McBrayer
Auburn, CA
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On 06/26/2024 11:49 AM, AJ via groups.io wrote:
Have you considered a lighter door? I can't determine your exact construction but thinner plywood, 1x cross braces and a solid foam core might be as strong but less weight.
AJ
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