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I suspect anyone who has been buying S scale for a while has some miscellaneous odds and ends; I have at least 7-8 orphan (=singleton) trucks and my own bag of assorted Northeastern truck parts.? Occasionally I acquire more and can actually assemble an extra
truck or two, or match one of the orphan trucks for a complete pair.??
With the current 3-D printed roller bearings, as used for Ben Trousdale's covered hoppers, we also have AM, SHS, and PRS roller bearing trucks as well as the Downs/Ace from among which to choose.
From memory of reading/hearing about the Ace line, apparently it was developed by a prominent supporter of S scale who had even bigger plans for it (such as brake beams or shoes to fit the brackets in the sideframes).? Whatever happened (perhaps he died) the
Ace line was in danger of disappearing when Russ Downs bought it.? I always liked their trucks, especially with metal wheelsets, and still buy them whenever I see them reasonably priced.
Jace Kahn
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bob Werre <bob@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 8:52 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Rusti Tank cars ?
On 12/19/24 7:29 PM, Bill Lane via groups.io wrote:
And speaking of odd things that defy our logic!? Among the remaining things, the BBB has a bag of parts for the NE/Kinsman trucks.? As far as I can tell no complete trucks can be put together, so it's something like the Ace trucks--a balancing act!? I'll have to thumb through the remains soon but at least those parts will make good hopper bay weights! Bob Werre PhotoTraxx |
Re: Rusti Tank cars
开云体育On 12/19/24 7:29 PM, Bill Lane via
groups.io wrote:
And speaking of odd things that defy our logic!? Among the remaining things, the BBB has a bag of parts for the NE/Kinsman trucks.? As far as I can tell no complete trucks can be put together, so it's something like the Ace trucks--a balancing act!? I'll have to thumb through the remains soon but at least those parts will make good hopper bay weights! Bob Werre PhotoTraxx |
Re: WTB Junker Downs Tankcars
开云体育Hey JaceI don’t have any parts.
Wanted to let you know…because you helped me with diesel SIDEFRAMES and HIRAIL WHEELSETS….when I was in need!
I wish that I could help you!
Good luck
Roger Haag. ? Hendersonville? On Dec 19, 2024, at 7:36?PM, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:
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Rusti Tank cars
开云体育The entire reason at least originally for Russ making tanks cars was this….. ? The mold was made to shoot 2 Bettendorf side frames and 2 Roller Bearing side frames. At that time almost no one was buying Roller Bearing trucks. Russ had TUBS of them. The tank cars were made to use the R B trucks. In the end it flipped because of the tank cars and Russ put some Bettendorf on tank cars because they were surplus. ? Thank You, ? See my layout progress at:
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Re: Today’s S Scale project
Here are some more pictures of this evenings progress.?
The cab is soldered together. The floor was fabricated to fit the cab and against the back of the boiler. It to is soldered to the cab bottom. There is now both crew seats made and soldered together and soldered to the floor. The cab is just sitting on the boiler which is sitting on cylinders and motor. I can also now see that I will have to lengthen the draw bar to get back the three feet spacing between the tender and cab.? Next will be drilling, tapping the boiler to bolt it to the cylinders and then make a bracket to solder to the cab floor and drill and tap to the rear of the frame.?
Next will be cutting the fire box up to clear the top of the rear drivers and make ash pans.?
Once all that is done I will make the deck extension on the tender finishing it up. The tender will get painted after that.?
I will then make the removable back head covering the motor.?
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Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: SwitchMaster turnout motors
On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 03:05 PM, Bill Lane wrote:
What voltage are yours? Bill.........
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To the best of my knowledge, genuine SwitchMaster motors have always been a 3 volt DC Hankscraft motor made in America.? With a resistor in series, they can operate on 12 volts or whatever DC voltage you happen to have.? Here is a quote from the SwitchMaster web site:
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SwitchMaster motors actually operate on just 3 volt DC. A 1200 ohm resistor is included for 12 volt operation.?
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There was a time many moons ago when a cheap knock-off product was offered using a motor from China.? Forgot the name of the company, but the motor was really cheap and did not last long.?
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As an interesting side note, this specific Hankscraft motor was designed for "operating" (moving) display signs in retail stores.? Remember those signs with a dog's wagging tail which actually moved.? The design goal was to have these signs run on a couple of common batteries and have the sign operate for over one week without needing a change of batteries.? As is common, we model railroaders steal good ideas from elsewhere and use them for our own purposes.? It is true that our DCC products could not exist without all the small, miniaturized components contained in cell phones.
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Cheers......Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux Los Altos, CA |
Re: Diode Lighting circuit
No.? His question was about the diode network.? He provided a photo making it even more obvious.? He made a mention of LEDs, but they aren't applicable to the network.? I pointed out in one of my comments that LEDs did NOT apply. Your test light is not "wrong."? It just has a limitation.? If you have a high resistance connection as the cause of insufficient current to your locomotives, the LED light tester may not catch it.? This is not my opinion.? This is how electricity works. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 04:42:19 PM PST, Mike Swederska via groups.io <mikesscale@...> wrote:
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer, I’m done, you win. I didn’t know I was dealing with someone like you. Now 测辞耻’谤别?saying my test light is wrong! I’m guess you did what I asked and read his original post and found it was about LEDs and not light bulbs. So now you are attacking my test light and bragging about something else off his subject. DCC voltage? I just want to be clear. I would not give advice to anyone if I wasn’t sure it was correct. I definitely don’t like someone implying I would and did.? So don’t bother replying to this post. I’m muting it on my end.? I will now post the latest progress on the Mutt next. And then step away from this group turning it off for now. Mike Swederska? On Dec 19, 2024, at 6:25?PM, Charles Kinzer via groups.io <ckinzer@...> wrote:
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Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: SwitchMaster turnout motors
开云体育Bill,? the machine will work AT a
variety of voltages--I think anything above 5v will move them
slowly.? My only problem is that I used Rix Racks to mount them
(so I can use the micro switches) and that procedure has changed.?
Overall I like them, but those green guys work well too.?
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Re: Diode Lighting circuit
开云体育Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer,I’m done, you win. I didn’t know I was dealing with someone like you. Now 测辞耻’谤别?saying my test light is wrong! I’m guess you did what I asked and read his original post and found it was about LEDs and not light bulbs. So now you are attacking my test light and bragging about something else off his subject. DCC voltage? I just want to be clear. I would not give advice to anyone if I wasn’t sure it was correct. I definitely don’t like someone implying I would and did.? So don’t bother replying to this post. I’m muting it on my end.? I will now post the latest progress on the Mutt next. And then step away from this group turning it off for now. Mike Swederska? On Dec 19, 2024, at 6:25?PM, Charles Kinzer via groups.io <ckinzer@...> wrote:
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Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: WTB Junker Downs Tankcars
开云体育Jace in earlier years Downs did offer
unpainted kits. As there were several variations in the details,
some might have some of those.? I've owned a lot of them over the
years including a Tank Train that Mr. Lane ownes now, I think!? I
thought of them as a wonderful product.? At one of Jamie's
auctions I bought probably the longest version that was offered
and it was good on my wallet too.? It took two evening to build so
not that hard and parts fit nicely.?
That is also? good reason to still have
kits!? Their aren't that many parts to it,--the end caps being the
most important then the running boards/ bolster parts.? Of course
Rusti probably did okay as he was also able to move his RB trucks
in those kits.? I also understand he had some youth involved in
the finishing of them.? I think I've got a half dozen of the
modern style including two 'beer can' versions!?
Of course the major problem with most
tank cars is that they are welded with a slight slope to the
center--for drainage--I don't know if that applies to all modern
tanks or not.? I was once on assignment for the Houston Belt and
Terminal while they were shifting tankcars.? A sudden jerk causes
the open valve to discharge a few gallons of some greenish liquid
(Ghost Buster's looking).? They called Haz-mat to the scene!?
So Jace, this is a wonderful
opportunity to buy out the rights to these cars, have some parts
made and your troubles are over!? Then make up some more
kits...Heck I'd buy a couple more.
Bob Werre
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Re: Diode Lighting circuit
Incidentally, if anyone want to read some info in depth about measuring DCC voltage, I have this document I wrote at my Droipbox site.? I wrote this mainly for the Digitrax groups but it has been passed around a lot. It has everything from test lights (which is usually all you need) to meters that will work and why some won't, oscilloscopes, and so on.? There are many appendices for those who want a deeper dive (there is a lot there).? One appendix shows how a "sensitive ohmmeter" can be used to help find shorts.? At a large HO railroad I work on at a museum, this has been invaluable. The one sort of test light that I do NOT show is an LED with a resistor.? It is advantageous to have more of a load on the DCC voltage than an LED provides.? Some who use an LED light tester also clip a lower resistance across the rails to cause more current to flow.? The reason for this is that there can be a questionable connection somewhere that might be read fine with the low current draw of the LED test light, but not with more current such as when you try to run an engine, and it still doesn't work.? All of the test lights in the document draw significant current to simulate a load. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 04:14:48 PM PST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
The original post showed a network that is clearly one of the diode networks used for "constant lighting" when using incandescent bulbs.? Furthermore, it affords reversible constant lighting - of incandescent bulbs.? All of my comments are in that context. If you want answers about LED's, ask a question about LED's But the diode circuit shown WILL destruct if put directly across the rail power unless not much current is available from the power source.? It is a question of how much power each diode has to dissipate as heat. In the diode circuit shown, the addition of the motor in series does act as ballast.? Just like a resistor in series does the same for an LED. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 04:01:44 PM PST, Mike Swederska via groups.io <mikesscale@...> wrote:
Wow! If you guys read my email and 测辞耻’谤别 telling me that they’re gonna blow up if you go across the rails.I can’t believe it. With a 1000-3000 ohm resistor on the lead of the LED directly to the rail is no different than going across DCC rails at 14 V. And as far as constant lighting is concerned, the LED will come on in less than one volt on the rails when you turn on the throttle giving you constant lighting before the locomotive even begins to move on DC. The resistor is what regulates how much DC electric getsto the LED once the throttle is turned up past one volt. The LED itself is what creates the directional lighting. He is not using light bulbs and the circuit that you guys are showing as old school for lightbulbs. He’s using LEDs. Why do you need the motor to be a ballast? I don’t understand. If I’m correct, am Ithinking, even with the DCC decoder, the function wires white, and the blue do not have anything to do with the motor. Whatever voltage is on the rails going to the decoder goes right through the decoder and to the LED. That is why you use resistors whether you use a lightbulb or LED in DCC. Mike Swederska? On Dec 19, 2024, at 4:55?PM, JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...> wrote:
I figured it was a constant lighting circuit, perhaps directional, too, and that the bulbs mounted in the shell are probably low-voltage which would blow if they got any significant part of 12v.
Jace Kahn
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ed Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 4:46 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Diode Lighting circuit ?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 11:43 AM, Mike Swederska wrote:
don’t hook it to your motor in my opinion that’s incorrect because it does affect the Motors RPM ?output. I am taking an uneducated guess here, but it looks to me like the circuit enables the lights to illuminate
BEFORE the motor starts to rotate.? Thus, the lights could be on while the train is waiting at the station.? Or something like that.? Just a guesstimate, but what the heck..........it might be correct.? Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA -- Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: Diode Lighting circuit
开云体育Read Jace‘s original post question he is asking about LEDs the circuit that was posted with somebody’s answer to Jace‘s question. That is why I keep insisting that we are talking about LEDs, not lightbulbs. Mike Swederska? On Dec 19, 2024, at 6:14?PM, Charles Kinzer via groups.io <ckinzer@...> wrote:
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Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: Diode Lighting circuit
The original post showed a network that is clearly one of the diode networks used for "constant lighting" when using incandescent bulbs.? Furthermore, it affords reversible constant lighting - of incandescent bulbs.? All of my comments are in that context. If you want answers about LED's, ask a question about LED's But the diode circuit shown WILL destruct if put directly across the rail power unless not much current is available from the power source.? It is a question of how much power each diode has to dissipate as heat. In the diode circuit shown, the addition of the motor in series does act as ballast.? Just like a resistor in series does the same for an LED. Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 04:01:44 PM PST, Mike Swederska via groups.io <mikesscale@...> wrote:
Wow! If you guys read my email and 测辞耻’谤别 telling me that they’re gonna blow up if you go across the rails.I can’t believe it. With a 1000-3000 ohm resistor on the lead of the LED directly to the rail is no different than going across DCC rails at 14 V. And as far as constant lighting is concerned, the LED will come on in less than one volt on the rails when you turn on the throttle giving you constant lighting before the locomotive even begins to move on DC. The resistor is what regulates how much DC electric getsto the LED once the throttle is turned up past one volt. The LED itself is what creates the directional lighting. He is not using light bulbs and the circuit that you guys are showing as old school for lightbulbs. He’s using LEDs. Why do you need the motor to be a ballast? I don’t understand. If I’m correct, am Ithinking, even with the DCC decoder, the function wires white, and the blue do not have anything to do with the motor. Whatever voltage is on the rails going to the decoder goes right through the decoder and to the LED. That is why you use resistors whether you use a lightbulb or LED in DCC. Mike Swederska? On Dec 19, 2024, at 4:55?PM, JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...> wrote:
I figured it was a constant lighting circuit, perhaps directional, too, and that the bulbs mounted in the shell are probably low-voltage which would blow if they got any significant part of 12v.
Jace Kahn
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ed Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 4:46 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Diode Lighting circuit ?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 11:43 AM, Mike Swederska wrote:
don’t hook it to your motor in my opinion that’s incorrect because it does affect the Motors RPM ?output. I am taking an uneducated guess here, but it looks to me like the circuit enables the lights to illuminate
BEFORE the motor starts to rotate.? Thus, the lights could be on while the train is waiting at the station.? Or something like that.? Just a guesstimate, but what the heck..........it might be correct.? Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA -- Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: Diode Lighting circuit
开云体育Mike Swederska? On Dec 19, 2024, at 6:01?PM, Mike Swederska via groups.io <MikeSscale@...> wrote:
-- Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: Diode Lighting circuit
开云体育Wow! If you guys read my email and 测辞耻’谤别 telling me that they’re gonna blow up if you go across the rails.I can’t believe it. With a 1000-3000 ohm resistor on the lead of the LED directly to the rail is no different than going across DCC rails at 14 V. And as far as constant lighting is concerned, the LED will come on in less than one volt on the rails when you turn on the throttle giving you constant lighting before the locomotive even begins to move on DC. The resistor is what regulates how much DC electric getsto the LED once the throttle is turned up past one volt. The LED itself is what creates the directional lighting. He is not using light bulbs and the circuit that you guys are showing as old school for lightbulbs. He’s using LEDs. Why do you need the motor to be a ballast? I don’t understand. If I’m correct, am Ithinking, even with the DCC decoder, the function wires white, and the blue do not have anything to do with the motor. Whatever voltage is on the rails going to the decoder goes right through the decoder and to the LED. That is why you use resistors whether you use a lightbulb or LED in DCC. Mike Swederska? On Dec 19, 2024, at 4:55?PM, JGG KahnSr via groups.io <jacekahn@...> wrote:
-- Mike Swederska Meramec Valley Lines Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16 Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun! |
Re: SwitchMaster turnout motors
开云体育Ed ? They have been different voltages. What voltage are yours? ? Thank You, ? See my layout progress at:
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WTB Junker Downs Tankcars
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If no one can direct me to a source for parts for these, another possibility might be looking for junkers that I could cannibalize for what I need.
Anyone have any?? Preferably cheap?
Jace Kahn
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Re: Diode Lighting circuit
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I figured it was a constant lighting circuit, perhaps directional, too, and that the bulbs mounted in the shell are probably low-voltage which would blow if they got any significant part of 12v.
Jace Kahn
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ed Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 4:46 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Diode Lighting circuit ?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 11:43 AM, Mike Swederska wrote:
don’t hook it to your motor in my opinion that’s incorrect because it does affect the Motors RPM ?output. I am taking an uneducated guess here, but it looks to me like the circuit enables the lights to illuminate
BEFORE the motor starts to rotate.? Thus, the lights could be on while the train is waiting at the station.? Or something like that.? Just a guesstimate, but what the heck..........it might be correct.? Ed L.
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA |