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If you don't want BOINC running without opening an using the client, the following will stop and disable BOINC.
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sudo systemctl stop boinc-client
sudo systemctl disable boinc-client
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Don't want it installed on your linux installation any longer?
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sudo apt remove boinc boinc-client boinctui libboinc7
rm /home/pi/.config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/boinc.sh
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73
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Hi Cown,
Thanks for the information on how to disable BOINC.
My Raspberry 3B used to be very hot and would freeze regularly.
I suspected a DC power issue but this was not the case as current never exceeded 0.4 A? with 11 V applied to DRAWS card.
Although BOINC % CPU cycle occupation never reached? more than 7%, after removal of BOINC, there are no more system freeze and the chips are less hot.
Thanks again.
73 de Bernard, f6bvp / ai7bg
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 04:17 PM, Cowan Bowman wrote:
If you don't want BOINC running without opening an using the client, the following will stop and disable BOINC.
Mr. Bowman, Your suggested modification is in violation of the LICENSE for HamPi. The LICENSE specifically excludes the change you suggest. If you or others do not agree with running BOINC, then simply delete your copy of HamPi. I am not telling you what you can and cannot do with your own hardware. However, running HamPi with this modification is in violation with the LICENSE terms. I am not going to debate whether you agree or disagree with the LICENSE terms. They are what they are. If you don't agree with the LICENSE terms, then the answer is simple -- don't use HamPi. ? -- - Dave ??
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Dave, Most of the software is covered by GPL and the GPL specifically prohibits such clauses. Any re-distribution of packages of GPL software must include the right to modify it. I you don¡¯t like that then don¡¯t distribute HamPi with GPL software included. Dave G4UGM ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Sent: 09 July 2020 16:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)? On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 04:17 PM, Cowan Bowman wrote: If you don't want BOINC running without opening an using the client, the following will stop and disable BOINC.
Mr. Bowman,
Your suggested modification is in violation of the LICENSE for HamPi. The LICENSE specifically excludes the change you suggest. If you or others do not agree with running BOINC, then simply delete your copy of HamPi. I am not telling you what you can and cannot do with your own hardware. However, running HamPi with this modification is in violation with the LICENSE terms.
I am not going to debate whether you agree or disagree with the LICENSE terms. They are what they are. If you don't agree with the LICENSE terms, then the answer is simple -- don't use HamPi.
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- Dave
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Dave Slotter,
GNU GPL supersedes your restriction without massive changes to Debian and BOINC code changes.
I could have also posted the removal of your Nag message, but did not in respect to your so called license.
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Cowan
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Mr. Wade:
I am not going to debate whether you agree or disagree with the LICENSE terms. They are what they are. If you don't agree with the LICENSE terms, then the answer is simple -- don't use HamPi.
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However,
I don't use HamPi.? I install all from scratch as I like a clean system not full of fluff I don't use.
But after several people, not just here complaining BOINC is making there installs render their Pi useless it is quite obvious BOINC is a mistake.? Especially for the Pi3 and earlier variants and disrupts other software like D-Rats when the system goes idle.
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Cowan
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Also,
No where in my posting of the thread, do I mention disabling it on HamPi.??
It is up to others how they interpret using the information.
73
Cowan
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Folks, I suggest that you all treat this release very carefully. In my experience, at the best of times, PIs seem to wear out there SD cards PDQ. BINC is only going to make this worse. Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Sent: 09 July 2020 16:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)? On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 04:17 PM, Cowan Bowman wrote: If you don't want BOINC running without opening an using the client, the following will stop and disable BOINC.
Mr. Bowman,
Your suggested modification is in violation of the LICENSE for HamPi. The LICENSE specifically excludes the change you suggest. If you or others do not agree with running BOINC, then simply delete your copy of HamPi. I am not telling you what you can and cannot do with your own hardware. However, running HamPi with this modification is in violation with the LICENSE terms.
I am not going to debate whether you agree or disagree with the LICENSE terms. They are what they are. If you don't agree with the LICENSE terms, then the answer is simple -- don't use HamPi.
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From the SD card association:
What is the service life of an SD memory card?
- This depends on how your product in manufactured. SD standards-based memory cards, like most semiconductor cards, store information in flash memory. The current technology along with normal usage typically gives the card a lifespan of 10 years or more, allowing consumers to upgrade their devices for many years and reduce consumer electronic waste.
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All depends on how the card usage is performed.
Storage: Writing occasionally over most of the available storage space
Operating system usage:? Writing over small area of the available storage space.
So on systems that high usage where the swap space may be used continually over a small area will wear it out very quickly depending on the quality of your card.
Cowan
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These are typical Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) arguments.
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD)
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Description
FUD stands for fear, uncertainty and doubt, and is a method used in sales and marketing to dissuade customers from buying competing products and solutions by providing information that triggers fear and uncertainty, or sows seeds of doubt, about current customer thinking.
Things that may be suggested include:
- That competing products are problematic.
- That competitors have operational problems.
- That promised competing products will not be delivered as suggested.
- That competitor companies are financially unstable.
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No FUD about it.
All spoken from experience.? But you can keep going along the way you choose.
Cowan
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 01:26 PM, Cowan Bowman wrote:
No FUD about it.
Things that may be suggested include:
- That competing products are problematic.
- That competitors have operational problems.
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Not just FUD, but "sour grapes":
Quote from Wikipedia:?The Fox and the Grapes?is one of the?,?The narration is concise and subsequent retellings have often been equally so. The story concerns a??that tries to eat??from a vine but cannot reach them. Rather than admit defeat, he states they are undesirable.
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well based upon your embedded caveat "You shall not alter, modify or remove the Software which installs BOINC and the Nagware Notice, or create a new installer for the Software with either of these two components removed." I'm purging your efforts, some implied remuneration?herein,? Sadly the spirit of open source is lost.?? good day
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:52 AM Dave Slotter, W3DJS < slotter@...> wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 04:17 PM, Cowan Bowman wrote:
If you don't want BOINC running without opening an using the client, the following will stop and disable BOINC.
Mr. Bowman,
Your suggested modification is in violation of the LICENSE for HamPi. The LICENSE specifically excludes the change you suggest. If you or others do not agree with running BOINC, then simply delete your copy of HamPi. I am not telling you what you can and cannot do with your own hardware. However, running HamPi with this modification is in violation with the LICENSE terms.
I am not going to debate whether you agree or disagree with the LICENSE terms. They are what they are. If you don't agree with the LICENSE terms, then the answer is simple -- don't use HamPi.
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 02:57 PM, thegadget techie wrote:
some implied remuneration?herein
I charge no money, nothing, nada, zilch. I don't think asking for a postcard to remove a nag dialog is out of the question. What I wonder about is how petty a person can get that would complain about such a small thing? And if they choose not to send the postcard? Well, the nag dialog isn't going to prevent them from using the image. If people have issues running BOINC, I'm not such an unreasonable person that if they approached me directly that i wouldn't force them to run it. Not everyone has a fan on their setup. I get it. So if they approached me with a good reason to disable it, I would grant that request. But to take the choice away from me as the author of the creation is to strip away my rights that I worked hard for. It negates the six months of time I took to build the image and discourages me from sharing in the future. And my source code is open for inspection. Just because I have a custom license and not a boilerplate GPL or MIT license keeps it from being open source. Nothing in my license takes away existing GPL licenses. People are free to modify their GPL software. I think there's a lot of headache due to "armchair lawyers" not understanding the nuances of the law or the LICENSE as it pertains to the software image and misapplying their incorrect assumptions. ? -- - Dave ??
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Forcing a ham operator into using *your* (meaning W3DS) concept of ham computing is just wrong.? (See the period at the end)
Indeed, the spirit of open source is dying.
Mark KD0QYN
On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 1:57:07 PM CDT, thegadget techie <gadgetechie@...> wrote:
well based upon your embedded caveat "You shall not alter, modify or remove the Software which installs BOINC and the Nagware Notice, or create a new installer for the Software with either of these two components removed." I'm purging your efforts, some implied remuneration?herein,? Sadly the spirit of open source is lost.?? good day
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:52 AM Dave Slotter, W3DJS < slotter@...> wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 04:17 PM, Cowan Bowman wrote:
If you don't want BOINC running without opening an using the client, the following will stop and disable BOINC.
Mr. Bowman,
Your suggested modification is in violation of the LICENSE for HamPi. The LICENSE specifically excludes the change you suggest. If you or others do not agree with running BOINC, then simply delete your copy of HamPi. I am not telling you what you can and cannot do with your own hardware. However, running HamPi with this modification is in violation with the LICENSE terms.
I am not going to debate whether you agree or disagree with the LICENSE terms. They are what they are. If you don't agree with the LICENSE terms, then the answer is simple -- don't use HamPi.
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I'm not forcing a ham operator to use the image I created. If you don't agree with the terms, don't use it. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.
And by the almost 6,000 downloads in less than 3 weeks since the release, that would seem that the opinions in this thread are in the small minority (less than one percent).
Insinuating that I'm killing "open source" is over-dramatic. The world isn't going to live or die by this software image. To argue otherwise is to argue that my software image is somehow important to the very life of open source. Unlike some other people, I am not so childish or narcissistic that I believe that. And again, the sources I created are generally open for inspection and modification.
You are welcome to your opinions, but as I pointed out, they are only a small fraction of a percent according to the download statistics.
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¡°I would grant that request¡±?
Holy! ?I¡¯m out too.
------ 73,
Jim
VA7SHG - Phone
VE7TGZ/VA7TGZ - Other
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On Jul 9, 2020, at 12:13, Dave Slotter, W3DJS < slotter@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 02:57 PM, thegadget techie wrote:
some implied remuneration?herein
I charge no money, nothing, nada, zilch. I don't think asking for a postcard to remove a nag dialog is out of the question. What I wonder about is how petty a person can get that would complain about such a small thing? And if they choose not to send the postcard? Well, the nag dialog isn't going to prevent them from using the image. If people have issues running BOINC, I'm not such an unreasonable person that if they approached me directly that i wouldn't force them to run it. Not everyone has a fan on their setup. I get it. So if they approached me with a good reason to disable it, I would grant that request. But to take the choice away from me as the author of the creation is to strip away my rights that I worked hard for. It negates the six months of time I took to build the image and discourages me from sharing in the future. And my source code is open for inspection. Just because I have a custom license and not a boilerplate GPL or MIT license keeps it from being open source. Nothing in my license takes away existing GPL licenses. People are free to modify their GPL software. I think there's a lot of headache due to "armchair lawyers" not understanding the nuances of the law or the LICENSE as it pertains to the software image and misapplying their incorrect assumptions. ? -- - Dave ??
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Wow, the download stats certainly do justify your self-assessment as a guru and pioneer.
Quick question....how many of those downloads are actively running 3 weeks later?? How many have opted out after realizing the restrictions on your "license"?
My advice to any ham that gets your stuff and wants to change it is to go ahead.? Your "license" is unenforceable.
Mark KD0QYN
On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 2:54:44 PM CDT, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:
I'm not forcing a ham operator to use the image I created. If you don't agree with the terms, don't use it. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.
And by the almost 6,000 downloads in less than 3 weeks since the release, that would seem that the opinions in this thread are in the small minority (less than one percent).
Insinuating that I'm killing "open source" is over-dramatic. The world isn't going to live or die by this software image. To argue otherwise is to argue that my software image is somehow important to the very life of open source. Unlike some other people, I am not so childish or narcissistic that I believe that. And again, the sources I created are generally open for inspection and modification.
You are welcome to your opinions, but as I pointed out, they are only a small fraction of a percent according to the download statistics.
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Bernard f6bvp / ai7bg
Dave Slotter, W3DJS