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RPI Frustrations


 

Ok my RPI 4 seems to be doing everything possible to really get under my skin. Everything was working just fine yesterday. I spent a couple of frustrating hours of putting all of the radio software I wanted on it, hooked it up to my radio and got everything figured and was actually experiencing CAT control and made some digital QSO's. Powered it down and went to bed. This morning I work up and not much going on so I figured I would get on the radio. Turned on the RPI and absolutely NOTHING. I have it in a ARGON One case because for some reason it will not work in the case that came with it anymore. So all I have is a red LED on on the front of the case. I thought that it ruined another SD card so I pulled the card out and put it in an original RPI and it worked, slow like crazy but it proves that the micro SD card is just fine. Don't know what to do. I have to fight for any progress and then overnight a new problem occurs. I don't understand why it works great and I turn it off and then it doesn't work. Why does it work in the ARGOn case and not the one that came with it? It makes no sense to me.


 

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Hello Aaron,

With your problematic Rpi4+SD card setup, what do you see on the HDMI display when you first power on?? See for possible ideas on fixes.

--David
KI6ZHD


On 10/06/2022 09:40 AM, Aaron K5ATG via groups.io wrote:

Ok my RPI 4 seems to be doing everything possible to really get under my skin. Everything was working just fine yesterday. I spent a couple of frustrating hours of putting all of the radio software I wanted on it, hooked it up to my radio and got everything figured and was actually experiencing CAT control and made some digital QSO's. Powered it down and went to bed. This morning I work up and not much going on so I figured I would get on the radio. Turned on the RPI and absolutely NOTHING. I have it in a ARGON One case because for some reason it will not work in the case that came with it anymore. So all I have is a red LED on on the front of the case. I thought that it ruined another SD card so I pulled the card out and put it in an original RPI and it worked, slow like crazy but it proves that the micro SD card is just fine. Don't know what to do. I have to fight for any progress and then overnight a new problem occurs. I don't understand why it works great and I turn it off and then it doesn't work. Why does it work in the ARGOn case and not the one that came with it? It makes no sense to me.


 

Don't use SD cards. It boots and runs much faster from a USB SSD. Never had one fail.


On 06/10/2022 12:40 EDT Aaron K5ATG via groups.io <k5atg@...> wrote:


Ok my RPI 4 seems to be doing everything possible to really get under my skin. Everything was working just fine yesterday. I spent a couple of frustrating hours of putting all of the radio software I wanted on it, hooked it up to my radio and got everything figured and was actually experiencing CAT control and made some digital QSO's. Powered it down and went to bed. This morning I work up and not much going on so I figured I would get on the radio. Turned on the RPI and absolutely NOTHING. I have it in a ARGON One case because for some reason it will not work in the case that came with it anymore. So all I have is a red LED on on the front of the case. I thought that it ruined another SD card so I pulled the card out and put it in an original RPI and it worked, slow like crazy but it proves that the micro SD card is just fine. Don't know what to do. I have to fight for any progress and then overnight a new problem occurs. I don't understand why it works great and I turn it off and then it doesn't work. Why does it work in the ARGOn case and not the one that came with it? It makes no sense to me.
Nigel A. Gunn, ///shoulders.outwards.resolutions tel +1-937-971-0366
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF and GMRS WRBV701, e-mail nigel@... www


 

On the HDMI Display, it just says no signal
USB SSD is a little bit out of my price range for now.?


 

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Btw.. when you say "Powered it down and went to bed", can you tell us how you shut down your Rpi?? Just to be sure, it's important to understand you cannot just unplug the power.? You have to use the GUI interface to gracefully shut it down and wait to see the 10 blinks of the activity LED before removing power.? If you don't do this, you run the risk of corrupting any storage device be it an SD card, USB SSD, etc.? Usually on the follow-on boot, Linux can recover the file system errors but occasionally.. the Raspberry Pi was writing to critical areas of the storage device when it lose power and that can permanently corrupt the SD card's data.

As far as your follow up, that's very strange you're only seeing a black screen.? Can you try booting this Rpi while connected to a different HDMI display?? I've seen all kinds of "slow power on" issues with some HDMI displays (usually TV) that aren't seen on other displays.? You need to observe the output on the immediate power on of the Rpi.

--David
KI6ZHD



On 10/06/2022 09:40 AM, Aaron K5ATG via groups.io wrote:

Ok my RPI 4 seems to be doing everything possible to really get under my skin. Everything was working just fine yesterday. I spent a couple of frustrating hours of putting all of the radio software I wanted on it, hooked it up to my radio and got everything figured and was actually experiencing CAT control and made some digital QSO's. Powered it down and went to bed. This morning I work up and not much going on so I figured I would get on the radio. Turned on the RPI and absolutely NOTHING. I have it in a ARGON One case because for some reason it will not work in the case that came with it anymore. So all I have is a red LED on on the front of the case. I thought that it ruined another SD card so I pulled the card out and put it in an original RPI and it worked, slow like crazy but it proves that the micro SD card is just fine. Don't know what to do. I have to fight for any progress and then overnight a new problem occurs. I don't understand why it works great and I turn it off and then it doesn't work. Why does it work in the ARGOn case and not the one that came with it? It makes no sense to me.


 

When I powered it down, I did it using the power down option in the start menu and left the power plugged in.
I will try another HDMI when I can


 

I have unit and case that the MDNI cable would not quite fit with unit in the case but worked fine with it out of the case. I got a cable that would fit and ended the problem. See if yours will work without the case.

73,

Bill KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 10/6/22 13:30, David Ranch wrote:

Btw.. when you say "Powered it down and went to bed", can you tell us how you shut down your Rpi?? Just to be sure, it's important to understand you cannot just unplug the power.? You have to use the GUI interface to gracefully shut it down and wait to see the 10 blinks of the activity LED before removing power.? If you don't do this, you run the risk of corrupting any storage device be it an SD card, USB SSD, etc.? Usually on the follow-on boot, Linux can recover the file system errors but occasionally.. the Raspberry Pi was writing to critical areas of the storage device when it lose power and that can permanently corrupt the SD card's data.

As far as your follow up, that's very strange you're only seeing a black screen.? Can you try booting this Rpi while connected to a different HDMI display?? I've seen all kinds of "slow power on" issues with some HDMI displays (usually TV) that aren't seen on other displays.? You need to observe the output on the immediate power on of the Rpi.

--David
KI6ZHD



On 10/06/2022 09:40 AM, Aaron K5ATG via groups.io wrote:
Ok my RPI 4 seems to be doing everything possible to really get under my skin. Everything was working just fine yesterday. I spent a couple of frustrating hours of putting all of the radio software I wanted on it, hooked it up to my radio and got everything figured and was actually experiencing CAT control and made some digital QSO's. Powered it down and went to bed. This morning I work up and not much going on so I figured I would get on the radio. Turned on the RPI and absolutely NOTHING. I have it in a ARGON One case because for some reason it will not work in the case that came with it anymore. So all I have is a red LED on on the front of the case. I thought that it ruined another SD card so I pulled the card out and put it in an original RPI and it worked, slow like crazy but it proves that the micro SD card is just fine. Don't know what to do. I have to fight for any progress and then overnight a new problem occurs. I don't understand why it works great and I turn it off and then it doesn't work. Why does it work in the ARGOn case and not the one that came with it? It makes no sense to me.


 

Had a similar issue.
In my case it was after an update & upgrade.
It seems the fake kms driver is depreciated, so raspOS has changed it into the kms driver.

In my config.txt I had to change the line
dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d into dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d

My Pi won't work with kms , only with the fake kms.

Unfortunately, after each upgrade it is changed back to kms, so it requires manual intervention after upgrading.


 

On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 10:12:49 -0700, "Aaron K5ATG via groups.io"
<k5atg@...> wrote:

On the HDMI Display, it just says no signal

Hello Aaron,

If your RPi is not outputting video, it may be due to the HDMI cable and/or
adapter not being fully seated. There's also the possibility the RPi HDMI
port has become partially unsoldered from the board due to rough handling.

Can you burn another SD card, and see if the RPi is still functional using
that new card? Given you've verified the SD card is functional on another
RPi, I doubt this test will be useful, but you never know. :-)

Best regards,
Larry
WB6BBB


 

I would look at your power source. Those USB bricks can be troublesome sometimes. Maybe use a USB power pack to see if you notice any difference. And oddly enough? if you use a surge protector power strip, those can be a source of problems. It may not be your Rpi that is the issue. Good Luck.

Greg
KE5DXA?


 

Hi Larry,

I already mentioned the case interfering with the cable plug fully seating and was promptly dismissed. It is also possible to damage the conductors inside the cable by pulling on the cable to unplug it instead? of pulling the plug itself. My wife recently did that to her iPhone charging cable. I have seen lamp cords and and earphone cables damaged the same way. Some folks just don't wanna believe it -shrug-

73,

Bil KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 10/7/22 09:16, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 10:12:49 -0700, "Aaron K5ATG via groups.io"
<k5atg@...> wrote:

On the HDMI Display, it just says no signal
Hello Aaron,

If your RPi is not outputting video, it may be due to the HDMI cable and/or
adapter not being fully seated. There's also the possibility the RPi HDMI
port has become partially unsoldered from the board due to rough handling.

Can you burn another SD card, and see if the RPi is still functional using
that new card? Given you've verified the SD card is functional on another
RPi, I doubt this test will be useful, but you never know. :-)

Best regards,
Larry
WB6BBB




 

If you are using the Argon1 - and installed the management software for the fan and shutdown - you only have to shutdown from the menu and it turns the power off.