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Re: RASPBERRY-PI SC1166: RPi5 M.2 HAT
It's orderable. I also ordered some storage: Best regards, Larry WB6BBB
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 08:56:06 AM PDT, Larry Dighera <ldighera@...> wrote:
If you'd like to add an M.2 NVMe SSD to your RPi5, you can order one here: ? ? RASPBERRY-PI SC1166 RPI 5 M.2 HAT ? ? ? ? 0 In stock ? ? Non-Cancelable / Non Returnable ? ? Price for each: $37.63 ----- Sneak Peek at Booting Raspberry Pi 5 From an NVMe SSD By Ash Hill published 2 days ago Place your bets for the Pi bootup race. Raspberry Pi (Image credit: Jeff Geerling) One spec on the Raspberry Pi 5 that the community is eagerly buzzing about is the new PCIe port. This enables compatibility with a variety of devices, most notably SSD support. Today, we’re taking a look at maker Jeff Geerling and his experience with booting the Pi 5 using an NVMe SSD. Geerling was given access to a PCIe breakout board by the Raspberry Pi engineering team, but there will be an M.2 HAT addon coming in 2024. The addon will bring an M.2 connection for a 2242 NVMe SSD. There are multiple benefits to using an SSD with the Pi 5. One of the most obvious benefits is the performance boost you get using an SSD over a microSD card. Being able to access data quickly is a game changer if you’re using your Pi to access media on the regular. But if you want to take things further, booting the Pi off an SSD allows the entire operating system to perform with the speed of an SSD rather than just the SD card. Setting up the Pi to boot off an NVMe SSD is simple and Jeff provides lots of details explaining how to make it work. The only way you can use the SSD to specifically boot is to enable the function first. This can be done by adjusting the boot order configuration file on the Pi. Once it’s set to point to the SSD, the Pi will check it first when booting and run the OS if it’s installed. Raspberry Pi (Image credit: Jeff Geerling) The external PCIe port also needs to be manually enabled. With it enabled and the boot device order set properly, it’s possible to boot from the SSD. You will need a valid partition, though, and the Raspberry Pi Imager is only set up to flash microSD cards. To set up the SSD with Raspberry Pi OS, you will need to flash the OS onto a microSD card. At this point, you can clone the boot volume off microSD card and copy the data over to the SSD. As long as the SSD is connected directly to the PCIe port, it will boot. That said, Geerling was unable to boot the Pi from an SSD if it was connected behind a bridge or switch. It's also worth keeping in mind that you won't get the full potential speed of most SSDs when connecting to the Pi 5, as there is just a single PCIe 2.0 lane available. In theory, that gives you about 500MBps of PCIe bandwidth. So you're going to top out at roughly the performance of a fast SATA SSD. To get a closer look at this Raspberry Pi project in action, check out the full post shared by Jeff to his blog. If this project is up your alley, you should be sure to follow Jeff Geerling for more cool Pi projects as well as any future creations. ------ NVMe SSD boot with the Raspberry Pi 5 October 21, 2023 Pi 5 PCIe NVMe Kioxia XG8 SSD In my video about the brand new Raspberry Pi 5, I mentioned the new external PCIe port makes it possible to boot the standard Pi 5 model B directly off NVMe storage—an option which is much faster and more reliable than standard microSD storage (even with industrial-rated cards!). Enabling NVMe boot is pretty easy, you add a line to /boot/config.txt, modify the BOOT_ORDER in the bootloader configuration, and reboot! Of course, you'll also need to get Pi OS onto the NVMe, and there are a few ways to do that—I'll walk you through my favorite method below. Note: Raspberry Pi announced they are developing an official Raspberry Pi M.2 HAT, but there is no word on a launch date for it yet. I am also tracking other PCIe HATs for Raspberry Pi 5 here. Enable the external PCI Express port First, enable the external PCIe port on the Raspberry Pi 5. Edit /boot/config.txt and add the following at the bottom: # Add to bottom of /boot/config.txt dtparam=pciex1 # Note: You could also just add the following (it is an alias to the above line) # dtparam=nvme # Optionally, you can control the PCIe lane speed using this parameter # dtparam=pciex1_gen=3 I have the pciex1_gen=3 part commented out above because Raspberry Pi allows you to tweak the bus speed (you can choose Gen 1 for 2.5 GS/s, Gen 2 for 5 GS/s, and Gen 3 for 8 GS/s), but the port is only rated for up to PCIe Gen 2 speeds. In practice, I have been able to run multiple NVMe SSDs at Gen 3.0 speed (getting up to 900 MB/sec) on my alpha Pi 5, but YMMV—PCIe can be very fickle, depending on the quality of the FFC cable and connections on your own setup. Set NVMe early in the boot order The PCIe connection should work after a reboot, but your Pi won't try booting off an NVMe SSD yet. For that, you need to change the BOOT_ORDER in the Raspberry Pi's bootloader configuration: # Edit the EEPROM on the Raspberry Pi 5. sudo rpi-eeprom-config --edit pieeprom.bin # Change the BOOT_ORDER line to the following: BOOT_ORDER=0xf416 # Press Ctrl-O, then enter, to write the change to the file. # Press Ctrl-X to exit nano (the editor). Read Raspberry Pi's documentation on BOOT_ORDER for all the details. For now, the pertinent bit is the 6 at the end: that is what tells the Pi to attempt NVMe boot first! Reboot your Raspberry Pi 5 to make the change take effect. NVMe boot won't work unless you have the external PCI Express port enabled, and there's a working NVMe drive with a valid boot partition! If you don't have that (e.g. you used Raspberry Pi Imager with an external USB NVMe adapter to flash Pi OS to an NVMe drive from another computer), then follow the steps in the next section to clone your existing Pi OS install to an NVMe SSD. Clone your microSD boot volume to an NVMe SSD Assuming you already have Raspberry Pi OS on a microSD card that is booting your Raspberry Pi 5 internally, and the NVMe SSD is connected and visible (check if you see a device /dev/nvme0n1 after running lsblk), you can use rpi-clone to clone the internal microSD boot volumes to your NVMe SSD: # Install rpi-clone. git clone -b 123-nvme cd rpi-clone sudo cp rpi-clone rpi-clone-setup /usr/local/sbin # Clone to the NVMe drive (usually nvme0n1, but check with `lsblk`). sudo rpi-clone nvme0n1 Note: I'm using my fork of rpi-clone, because the official version has not merged NVMe support yet. NVMe behind a PCIe bridge / switch Currently the Raspberry Pi 5 only exposes one PCIe lane externally—though there are four more lanes taken up by the RP1 chip. Typical PC motherboards have a number of lanes to play with, so you often find two, three, or even four M.2 NVMe slots on high-end motherboards. Even there, some motherboards have PCI Express switches (or 'bridges') which allow multiple PCIe devices to share the same lane or lanes, in a similar way an Ethernet switch can allow multiple computers to share a single network connection. NVMe boot behind PCIe switch on Raspberry Pi On the Compute Module 4, bootloader space constraints prevented NVMe boot if you used a switch, but I wonder if that restriction is lifted on the Raspberry Pi 5—and if so, is it already implemented? As of now, no. I can see and use an NVMe SSD through a PCIe switch, but I am not able to boot the Raspberry Pi 5 from it, unless it is directly connected (as the lone PCIe device on the bus). I've opened an issue to ask about this feature in the Raspberry Pi firmware repo: Can't boot Pi 5 via NVMe behind PCIe switch / bridge. Further reading The Raspberry Pi can boot off NVMe SSDs now Testing PCIe on the Raspberry Pi 5 Forcing PCI Express Gen 3.0 speeds on the Pi 5 raspberry pi pi 5 nvme sbc boot eeprom performance Add new comment Comments Steve – 3 days ago Well done Jeff, I don't know where you find the time! Hopefully we will see some decent Pi5 nvme NAS hardware if PCIe switching is reliable. My Pi5 4GB arrived yesterday, so retail has started shipping - at least in the UK. I am seeing some spurious nvme boot disk issues (the same nvme to USB adapter and SSD from my Pi4). I'm investigating root cause and will open an issue if I can't fix it. reply Andy W – 2 days ago In reply to Well done Jeff, I don't know… by Steve Nice to hear your Pi5 has turned up. My 8GB is still sitting at “waiting to be picked” at Pimoroni. I was hoping it would at least ship on the 23rd. reply Karl Miller – 2 days ago I wonder if it is possible to bridge two raspberry pi 5s together via their pcie buses? The purpose would be to have one running Android TV and the other running Hyperbian? That might avoid having to connect an external video decoder/encoder for ambient style lighting for the LED strip around the rim of the TV. reply anon – 2 days ago nice work bro reply Massimiliano – 2 days ago Hi Jeff, can you suggest me, please, what I have to buy to attach an SSD NVMe to the Raspberry Pi (and boot the OS from the NVMe)? What kind of device are using you? Regards Massimiliano reply Anonymous – 20 hours ago Nice one! I'm currently using an SSK M.2 NVME SATA Adapter plugged into the USB 3.0 port with a WD Blue SA510 2TB M.2 SATA SSD (Prime day sale purchase). It was not happy at first, but after a little trial and error it is working perfectly. The USB speeds are amazing, copying files of my Pi 4 takes hours to a USB memory stick, then literally seconds or minutes to copy from the drive to my Pi 5. I can't wait for an official PCIe M.2 adapter, hopefully they are wallet friendly. Currently transferring some of my old Docker containers from the Pi 4 to the Pi 5 (mainly for the extra storage and speed for Jellyfin and NextCloud, my Pi 4 has a 500GB M.2 SSD in the Argon ONE M.2). reply |
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RASPBERRY-PI SC1166: RPi5 M.2 HAT
If you'd like to add an M.2 NVMe SSD to your RPi5, you can order one here:
RASPBERRY-PI SC1166 RPI 5 M.2 HAT 0 In stock Non-Cancelable / Non Returnable Price for each: $37.63 ----- Sneak Peek at Booting Raspberry Pi 5 From an NVMe SSD By Ash Hill published 2 days ago Place your bets for the Pi bootup race. Raspberry Pi (Image credit: Jeff Geerling) One spec on the Raspberry Pi 5 that the community is eagerly buzzing about is the new PCIe port. This enables compatibility with a variety of devices, most notably SSD support. Today, we’re taking a look at maker Jeff Geerling and his experience with booting the Pi 5 using an NVMe SSD. Geerling was given access to a PCIe breakout board by the Raspberry Pi engineering team, but there will be an M.2 HAT addon coming in 2024. The addon will bring an M.2 connection for a 2242 NVMe SSD. There are multiple benefits to using an SSD with the Pi 5. One of the most obvious benefits is the performance boost you get using an SSD over a microSD card. Being able to access data quickly is a game changer if you’re using your Pi to access media on the regular. But if you want to take things further, booting the Pi off an SSD allows the entire operating system to perform with the speed of an SSD rather than just the SD card. Setting up the Pi to boot off an NVMe SSD is simple and Jeff provides lots of details explaining how to make it work. The only way you can use the SSD to specifically boot is to enable the function first. This can be done by adjusting the boot order configuration file on the Pi. Once it’s set to point to the SSD, the Pi will check it first when booting and run the OS if it’s installed. Raspberry Pi (Image credit: Jeff Geerling) The external PCIe port also needs to be manually enabled. With it enabled and the boot device order set properly, it’s possible to boot from the SSD. You will need a valid partition, though, and the Raspberry Pi Imager is only set up to flash microSD cards. To set up the SSD with Raspberry Pi OS, you will need to flash the OS onto a microSD card. At this point, you can clone the boot volume off microSD card and copy the data over to the SSD. As long as the SSD is connected directly to the PCIe port, it will boot. That said, Geerling was unable to boot the Pi from an SSD if it was connected behind a bridge or switch. It's also worth keeping in mind that you won't get the full potential speed of most SSDs when connecting to the Pi 5, as there is just a single PCIe 2.0 lane available. In theory, that gives you about 500MBps of PCIe bandwidth. So you're going to top out at roughly the performance of a fast SATA SSD. To get a closer look at this Raspberry Pi project in action, check out the full post shared by Jeff to his blog. If this project is up your alley, you should be sure to follow Jeff Geerling for more cool Pi projects as well as any future creations. ------ NVMe SSD boot with the Raspberry Pi 5 October 21, 2023 Pi 5 PCIe NVMe Kioxia XG8 SSD In my video about the brand new Raspberry Pi 5, I mentioned the new external PCIe port makes it possible to boot the standard Pi 5 model B directly off NVMe storage—an option which is much faster and more reliable than standard microSD storage (even with industrial-rated cards!). Enabling NVMe boot is pretty easy, you add a line to /boot/config.txt, modify the BOOT_ORDER in the bootloader configuration, and reboot! Of course, you'll also need to get Pi OS onto the NVMe, and there are a few ways to do that—I'll walk you through my favorite method below. Note: Raspberry Pi announced they are developing an official Raspberry Pi M.2 HAT, but there is no word on a launch date for it yet. I am also tracking other PCIe HATs for Raspberry Pi 5 here. Enable the external PCI Express port First, enable the external PCIe port on the Raspberry Pi 5. Edit /boot/config.txt and add the following at the bottom: # Add to bottom of /boot/config.txt dtparam=pciex1 # Note: You could also just add the following (it is an alias to the above line) # dtparam=nvme # Optionally, you can control the PCIe lane speed using this parameter # dtparam=pciex1_gen=3 I have the pciex1_gen=3 part commented out above because Raspberry Pi allows you to tweak the bus speed (you can choose Gen 1 for 2.5 GS/s, Gen 2 for 5 GS/s, and Gen 3 for 8 GS/s), but the port is only rated for up to PCIe Gen 2 speeds. In practice, I have been able to run multiple NVMe SSDs at Gen 3.0 speed (getting up to 900 MB/sec) on my alpha Pi 5, but YMMV—PCIe can be very fickle, depending on the quality of the FFC cable and connections on your own setup. Set NVMe early in the boot order The PCIe connection should work after a reboot, but your Pi won't try booting off an NVMe SSD yet. For that, you need to change the BOOT_ORDER in the Raspberry Pi's bootloader configuration: # Edit the EEPROM on the Raspberry Pi 5. sudo rpi-eeprom-config --edit pieeprom.bin # Change the BOOT_ORDER line to the following: BOOT_ORDER=0xf416 # Press Ctrl-O, then enter, to write the change to the file. # Press Ctrl-X to exit nano (the editor). Read Raspberry Pi's documentation on BOOT_ORDER for all the details. For now, the pertinent bit is the 6 at the end: that is what tells the Pi to attempt NVMe boot first! Reboot your Raspberry Pi 5 to make the change take effect. NVMe boot won't work unless you have the external PCI Express port enabled, and there's a working NVMe drive with a valid boot partition! If you don't have that (e.g. you used Raspberry Pi Imager with an external USB NVMe adapter to flash Pi OS to an NVMe drive from another computer), then follow the steps in the next section to clone your existing Pi OS install to an NVMe SSD. Clone your microSD boot volume to an NVMe SSD Assuming you already have Raspberry Pi OS on a microSD card that is booting your Raspberry Pi 5 internally, and the NVMe SSD is connected and visible (check if you see a device /dev/nvme0n1 after running lsblk), you can use rpi-clone to clone the internal microSD boot volumes to your NVMe SSD: # Install rpi-clone. git clone -b 123-nvme cd rpi-clone sudo cp rpi-clone rpi-clone-setup /usr/local/sbin # Clone to the NVMe drive (usually nvme0n1, but check with `lsblk`). sudo rpi-clone nvme0n1 Note: I'm using my fork of rpi-clone, because the official version has not merged NVMe support yet. NVMe behind a PCIe bridge / switch Currently the Raspberry Pi 5 only exposes one PCIe lane externally—though there are four more lanes taken up by the RP1 chip. Typical PC motherboards have a number of lanes to play with, so you often find two, three, or even four M.2 NVMe slots on high-end motherboards. Even there, some motherboards have PCI Express switches (or 'bridges') which allow multiple PCIe devices to share the same lane or lanes, in a similar way an Ethernet switch can allow multiple computers to share a single network connection. NVMe boot behind PCIe switch on Raspberry Pi On the Compute Module 4, bootloader space constraints prevented NVMe boot if you used a switch, but I wonder if that restriction is lifted on the Raspberry Pi 5—and if so, is it already implemented? As of now, no. I can see and use an NVMe SSD through a PCIe switch, but I am not able to boot the Raspberry Pi 5 from it, unless it is directly connected (as the lone PCIe device on the bus). I've opened an issue to ask about this feature in the Raspberry Pi firmware repo: Can't boot Pi 5 via NVMe behind PCIe switch / bridge. Further reading The Raspberry Pi can boot off NVMe SSDs now Testing PCIe on the Raspberry Pi 5 Forcing PCI Express Gen 3.0 speeds on the Pi 5 raspberry pi pi 5 nvme sbc boot eeprom performance Add new comment Comments Steve – 3 days ago Well done Jeff, I don't know where you find the time! Hopefully we will see some decent Pi5 nvme NAS hardware if PCIe switching is reliable. My Pi5 4GB arrived yesterday, so retail has started shipping - at least in the UK. I am seeing some spurious nvme boot disk issues (the same nvme to USB adapter and SSD from my Pi4). I'm investigating root cause and will open an issue if I can't fix it. reply Andy W – 2 days ago In reply to Well done Jeff, I don't know… by Steve Nice to hear your Pi5 has turned up. My 8GB is still sitting at “waiting to be picked” at Pimoroni. I was hoping it would at least ship on the 23rd. reply Karl Miller – 2 days ago I wonder if it is possible to bridge two raspberry pi 5s together via their pcie buses? The purpose would be to have one running Android TV and the other running Hyperbian? That might avoid having to connect an external video decoder/encoder for ambient style lighting for the LED strip around the rim of the TV. reply anon – 2 days ago nice work bro reply Massimiliano – 2 days ago Hi Jeff, can you suggest me, please, what I have to buy to attach an SSD NVMe to the Raspberry Pi (and boot the OS from the NVMe)? What kind of device are using you? Regards Massimiliano reply Anonymous – 20 hours ago Nice one! I'm currently using an SSK M.2 NVME SATA Adapter plugged into the USB 3.0 port with a WD Blue SA510 2TB M.2 SATA SSD (Prime day sale purchase). It was not happy at first, but after a little trial and error it is working perfectly. The USB speeds are amazing, copying files of my Pi 4 takes hours to a USB memory stick, then literally seconds or minutes to copy from the drive to my Pi 5. I can't wait for an official PCIe M.2 adapter, hopefully they are wallet friendly. Currently transferring some of my old Docker containers from the Pi 4 to the Pi 5 (mainly for the extra storage and speed for Jellyfin and NextCloud, my Pi 4 has a 500GB M.2 SSD in the Argon ONE M.2). reply |
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Re: Rpi5
Here is the official update on RPi5 availability.
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Raspberry Pi 5: available now! 23rd Oct 2023 Eben Upton 56 comments Three weeks ago, we unveiled the latest generation of our flagship product: Raspberry Pi 5. Since then, we’ve shared insights into the overall architecture of the platform, the RP1 I/O controller, the software stack, the image signal processor, and some of our official accessories, including the case, and the forthcoming updated PoE+ HAT. Raspberry Pi 5 on a black background with orange, yellow, green , pink and turqouise swirls, circles, patterns exploding from behind it Behind the scenes, we’ve been working hard with our friends at the Sony UK Technology Centre in Wales (where your Pi is baked) to ramp up the manufacturing and production test processes. Things have gone a little faster than expected, and we’re happy to announce that the first mass-production units will ship to customers this week. As promised, we’ll be starting with subscribers to The MagPi and HackSpace magazines, who have taken advantage of the Priority Boarding promotion. By the end of next week, all existing Priority Boarding orders will have shipped, and every Approved Reseller in a country where our compliance paperwork has been signed off by the authorities will have received initial stock of both 4GB and 8GB variants, so those of you who have pre-ordered will start to see parcels arriving in your mailboxes. We are continuing to increase our production rate, with the aim of fulfilling all backorders, and getting Raspberry Pi in stock at all our Approved Resellers, by the end of the year – by then we expect you to be able to just buy one straight off the shelf. Close up of RP1 silicon on a Raspberry Pi 5 board We’ve been excited to see the response of early users to Raspberry Pi 5, and can’t wait to see what you do once you get your hands on it. Let us know when you start tinkering with yours! On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 09:55:10 -0700, "N5XMT" <dacooley@...> wrote:
So far, the only Pi5's in the wild are with beta hardware testers, and those that got priority with the Mag-Pi magazine advance order codes.? The biggest issue will be the new BookWorm PiOS.? The windowing system is now Wayland, VNC is Wayfire and networking is now NetworkManager instead of DHCPD. |
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Re: Rpi5
开云体育Wow, that’s a pretty GRIM way to look at things. ? ? I thought we were hams that enjoyed experimenting with NEW technology all the time. That’s what separates us from the average appliance operator. ? Certainly there is a possibility of finding a bug here and there, just like we do EVERY single week when Microsoft pushes out a slew of Windows updates. ? But the sooner we find a bug and REPORT it, the sooner it can be fixed and make it better for everyone. ? No doubt, that type of perspetive may not be for everyone, and of course, one person’s experience can be far different from others, but lets hammer out the issues now and move on. ? ? Just my 2 cents, for what little it may be worth. ? All the best, Walter/K5WH ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kevin McCrory
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 12:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Rpi5 ? My advice for hams, unless you are expert in Linux and want to test the new software, wait. Wait. Wait until all the peoblems have been worked out by others.? ? 73 On Mon, Oct 23, 2023, 17:55 N5XMT <dacooley@...> wrote:
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Larry Dighera
Walter Holmes K5WH