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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Palmer via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] HamPi on a 128GB SD-Card

Mark,

I've done nothing but state facts. You've done nothing but personal attacks ("One day I'll learn enough", "I guess you just haven't seen enough", blah blah blah) You've not stated a single fact, or provided any evidence to refute the facts. You've only provided faulty anecdotal observations.

So, yea.. I guess your 30+ years don't matter, if you're denying
actual facts. Maybe take a moment and learn what a disk image
actually is, does, and doesn't do.

Meanwhile, I'll sit here and wait for your next personal attack, since you literally will not find anything to refute the *actual* facts about what a disk image is.

Also, agreed. My audience is elsewhere. My audience is the people in this group who want to educate themselves. My audience is people who want to hear facts. My audience is people who would rather things
work. As the saying goes in computer sciences. "Something that is
done wrong, may sometimes work. Something that is done correctly will
always work". Computers don't work on "random" unless specifically
instructed too. there is nothing "random" about the success of writing a disk image. It's not subject to your OPINION, period.

I await your rebuttal against the facts. But I suspect it'll be more personal attacks, since you won't be able to refute.



On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:26 AM Mark Griffith via groups.io <mdgriffith2003@...> wrote:

Well, I suppose my 30+ years also means something too? Eh?

I guess you just haven't seen enough yet. My apologies.

Argue away. I'm not listening, so your audience is elsewhere.

Mark


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 9:23:46 AM CDT, Jeff Palmer via groups.io <jeff@...> wrote:


OK, Now I am trying to argue.

There are absolutes in this field. Disk images ARE absolute.
writing them to a disk IS absolute. It overwrites *everything* that
holds any old layout. That is simply a fact. Your observations,
while relevant, are not *accurate*. There is a significant
difference. correlation does NOT equal causation.

30 years as a unix admin, dealing with disk images.. I'm fairly
confident that I have "enough experience" to have learned what a disk
image is, does, and doesn't do.

One time, I bought new shoes. I immediately stubbed my toe while
wearing them. Correlation: new shoes = stubbed toes. Causation: I
wasn't actually paying attention, and kicked something by accident.
Facts are facts man. properly formatted and written disk images work
100% of the time. IF it doesn't, as I mentioned in the last email,
something else was the cause. Period.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:07 AM Mark Griffith via groups.io
<mdgriffith2003@...> wrote:

Whatever. You *are* trying to argue and tell me my observations are not relevant to your discussion.

It's unfortunate, that in what some people may call a discussion, it's obvious that one side doesn't want any other opinions to be expressed. That's not a discussion. There are no absolutes in this field. You probably have not yet had enough experience to learn that yet. Keep learning, it will come.

Mark
KD0QYN


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 8:54:49 AM CDT, Jeff Palmer via groups.io <jeff@...> wrote:


Mark,

If you are using a disk image, then no.. the existing partitioning,
or filesystems don't matter. They literally get overwritten. If
you've seen cases where this doesn't seem to be the case, I assure
you, something else is going on. With a disk image, even the boot
sectors of a disk are overwritten.

I'm not trying to argue. But I am trying to clear up
misinformation, because it's become obvious in these threads that..
a little misinformation leads to a LOT of confusion. So, I'd
submit that if you've "seen it matter" before, you investigate the
root cause, as I assure you, it's not the fault of a disk image
"sometimes working, sometimes not". a properly created disk image,
which is also written properly to a disk will *always* overwrite
existing boot sectors, partition maps, and existing filesystems.
Any result *other* than that, something else was at play. (human
error, invalid disk image, an error with the software writing the
image, faulty disk, etc etc the list goes on and on.)

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:52 AM Mark Griffith via groups.io
<mdgriffith2003@...> wrote:

The existence of a partition or filesystem on an SD card *should not* make any difference when writing an image, but it sometimes does. That's why I say NOT to format the card before copying the image. In most cases, I would say it doesn't make a difference, but I have seen some where it has.

Also, I'm hoping all those that are using a giant SD card for the image know to use raspi-config to then expand the filesystem so all of the big SD card is used.

Mark
KD0QYN


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 7:32:23 AM CDT, Jeff Palmer via groups.io <jeff@...> wrote:


Interesting.

Since etcher is writing a raw disk image, the existing
filesystems, partitions, or layouts shouldn't matter (or affect
writing the image)

For what it's worth, I have HamPi running on a 128gb sd card. I
used etcher, and never had an issue. I hope that helps.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 1:16 AM thegadget techie <gadgetechie@...> wrote:

I did pick up a couple of SanDisk xPros. Seemed the issue may have been the factory format - I zapped the 2nd on w/ xFat (not FAT32) and no hitch w/ Etcher. So maybe that's the issue. Also on MacPro (yeah yeah I'm 25+ yrs *nix guy). I dd'd the 1st SDCard (wiped block 0 & 100) and the PI imager did all the magic - so long story short - not really sure of the issue - but both 128Gb's running like a charm. Now onto USB boot on Pi4....

Thanks all for replies.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:50 AM John Nicholas <stnick@...> wrote:

Ditto on San Disc. I found that out with discs from my Infrared Imager at work.

JN

On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Roger Reeves M0ROJ <m0roj@...> wrote:

It’s all down to the quality of the SD card. A recommendation is the SanDisk Extreme Pro, whatever the size.

Roger M0ROJ

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