Re: Truss Rod SFRD Reefer
I can't speak to the exact class, but the car has US Standard safety appliances so picture is indeed post 1911.
Larry King
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Truss Rod SFRD Reefer
This is a link to a photo on the City of Temecula's Flicker collection:
Anyone care to guess the possible classes for this reefer?
The caption notes that the photo probably is from the 1890s. I believe it's later.
Bob Chaparro
Moderator
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
The Santa? Fe railway historical & modeling? society? Warbonn is at magazine. First qtr 2008 had two articles on? Santa Fe and the southern California citrus? industry.? This had maps and operational information as well as car types for different? eras.
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
Correction to the comment by Bruce
Dave Housh is no longer the curator at Pacific Railroad Society in San Dimas as he retired from that position in early 2019. Currently, there is no curator. It is best to email the Society so we can arrange materials prior to your arrival. This applies to all railroads. Check the website for contact information.? ??
Regards, David Coscia
Jesse, you will shortly be getting a ton of resources on Santa Fe and PFE from the learned members of this group. But Job 1 for you (since you are seeking accuracy) is to decide on a timeframe for your Railroad. PFE or Santa Fe reefers in the 1920s are very different than those in the 1970s.?
Once you make that decision it will be much easier to shift thru the information you will be receiving.?
Finally, many of the books that will be recommended can be pricey and hard to find. Once you know what you are seeking consider a visit to the railroad library of the Pacific Railway Society in San Dimas. They have an amazing collection and Dave the curator is extremely helpful. Check online for hours.?
Bruce Hendrick President, Corona Model Railroad Society? hello my name is jesse and I am working on re designing my layout to represent Anaheim and the city of orange in Southern California so while doing research on the area i found out that both Pacific fruit express and Santa Fe both served the areas when it came to refrigerator cars.? So my layout is small like I think. 10x10. So Other than having packing houses what other buildings do I need to have on the layout? ? When it comes to Santa Fe is there something out that discribes types of Santa Fe cars and how to model them?? And when it comes to the Santa Fe and the PFE with operations for model railroading is there documents says how I should run them?
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
Jesse, In the past, for PFE, I have relied mainly on a 4 part article(s) in the January-April 1987 Railroad Model Craftsman magazine, by Tony Thompson and Richard Hendrickson. There are many roster lists for the wooden car, steel cars, rebuilt cars, and express cars. Also, there are plenty b/w and color, in service and builder photos. (Around 40 pages in total.) In addition, there is a list of available HO car models.
In the April issue there is another separate article, with plans, for building an a prototype Ice House and an Icing Dock. (Another 4 pages.)
Al
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
As the moderator pointed out, you can access Sanborn maps through the Los Angeles Public Library website:??You'll need an?LAPL library card number and password for access. The library card is available to any California resident but has to be applied for and picked up in person at a branch of the LAPL. The website provides on-line access to maps for California and other states. Most maps date to the 1910s or 1920s but many maps have been updated to the early 1950s.
Jim Lancaster
On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:46 AM, Chuck Wille wrote:
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Jesse:
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If you live in Southern California, check your local libraries; they may have Sanborn maps for the area you want.
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Chuck Wille
[Moderator's Note: And if you live within driving distance of any Los Angeles City Library you can obtain a library card (You do not need to be an L.A. resident) and this will allow you to access Sanborn maps ON-LINE for all of California.]
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
Jesse,
Contact me offline. I am modeling the Anaheim Depot are and I have a lot of pictures and material that we can share.
Per Harwe
perha45 AT yahoo DOT com
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
Jesse, since you indicate the desire to model Anaheim I assume you are located in the Orange County area. If so, the archives located in the basement of the Old Orange County Courthouse in Santa Ana is another source of Sanborn maps, along with many photos. I found the archivists there very helpful and knowledgeable and they are willing to make photocopies.
But before attempting use of Sanborn maps you probably need to pin down not only your modeling era (Sanborn maps are dated) but also a more specific location than just “Anaheim” which is a big area. A good free online source for anyone modeling a specific era and locale is historicaerials.com. A particular area such as Anaheim can be viewed via old aerial photos switching from year to year. The road overlay option is very helpful in pinpointing locations. It is possible to “follow the tracks” into areas that might be candidates for modeling. Higher res images can be purchased if desired once a specific time & place are determined. That information can also used to find the proper Sanborn with more detailed information.
Anyone modeling a specific area should always seek out the local history association and the city’s library for a local history room. Anaheim has both and they both have an online presence, but initially consider an in-person visit as the curators can serve as your guide.
You already mentioned citrus packing houses. Anyone modeling Southern California should bookmark on their computers Historic Packing Houses of Southern California, Dr Jim Lancaster’s definitive website on the subject. Merely select the county and then city and you will have a wealth of valuable information.
In the case of Anaheim plan to pop over to the Anaheim Packing District, now a food court, to get a sense of the architecture.
Bruce Hendrick
Brea
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Another good source is the reference section at the Orange and Anaheim libraries—believe they have information on the businesses in town plus some photos. Of course don’t forget Jim Lancaster’s web site on packing houses. ? Thanks, ? Bill Messecar MMR ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Parks via Groups.Io
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Subject: Re: [RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup] Santa Fe and pfe help ? Jesse -
A good source for finding out other businesses are Sanborn Insurance maps.? These were created for insurance companies and show most commercial buildings in a town.? The one down side is finding them.? Due to copywrite laws,?you generally can only download for free from the various on line sources (Library of Congress being one) maps only up until the 1920s.? However, a number of university libraries have them that you may be able to get copies of more recent ones?from.? You will need to do some digging on line to find them.
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
jesse: you may want to check out the definite site for packing houses, listed below:
packing houses
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also you can check this list's archives, ypur library or historical society and your local chamber or commerce
can't help you with rr operations, other than what is in thist's archives
good luck mel perry
hello my name is jesse and I am working on re designing my layout to represent Anaheim and the city of orange in Southern California so while doing research on the area i found out that both Pacific fruit express and Santa Fe both served the areas when it came to refrigerator cars.? So my layout is small like I think. 10x10. So Other than having packing houses what other buildings do I need to have on the layout? ? When it comes to Santa Fe is there something out that discribes types of Santa Fe cars and how to model them?? And when it comes to the Santa Fe and the PFE with operations for model railroading is there documents says how I should run them?
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
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Jesse:
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If you live in Southern California, check your local libraries; they may have Sanborn maps for the area you want.
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Chuck Wille
[Moderator's Note: And if you live within driving distance of any Los Angeles City Library you can obtain a library card (You do not need to be an L.A. resident) and this will allow you to access Sanborn maps ON-LINE for all of California.]
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On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 9:40:13 AM CST, Bill Parks via Groups.Io <bparks_43@...> wrote:
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Jesse -
A good source for finding out other businesses are Sanborn Insurance maps.? These were created for insurance companies and show most commercial buildings in a town.? The one down side is finding them.? Due to copywrite laws,?you generally can only download for free from the various on line sources (Library of Congress being one) maps only up until the 1920s.? However, a number of university libraries have them that you may be able to get copies of more recent ones?from.? You will need to do some digging on line to find them.
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
Jesse -
A good source for finding out other businesses are Sanborn Insurance maps.? These were created for insurance companies and show most commercial buildings in a town.? The one down side is finding them.? Due to copywrite laws,?you generally can only download for free from the various on line sources (Library of Congress being one) maps only up until the 1920s.? However, a number of university libraries have them that you may be able to get copies of more recent ones?from.? You will need to do some digging on line to find them.
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
If you want to spend some money on reference books, the two you will want are:
1. Pacific Fruit Express
By Anthony W Thompson, Robert J. Church, Bruce H. Jones
Signature Press
This is a thorough and complete history of the world's largest refrigerator car operator, the Pacific Fruit Express Company. The 432-page book has 663 photos (some in color), scale car drawings, shop track layouts, system map, paint scheme drawings, and accurate color drift panels. It includes an appendix, a complete index, and a comprehensive bibliography.
2. Santa Fe Refrigerator Cars Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979
(Volume 2, Rolling Stock Reference Series)
By C. Keith Jordan, Richard H. Hendrickson, John B. Moore and A. Dean Hale and the Santa Fe Modeler Organization (1994)
Bob Chaparro
Moderator
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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
Jesse, you will shortly be getting a ton of resources on Santa Fe and PFE from the learned members of this group. But Job 1 for you (since you are seeking accuracy) is to decide on a timeframe for your Railroad. PFE or Santa Fe reefers in the 1920s are very different than those in the 1970s.?
Once you make that decision it will be much easier to shift thru the information you will be receiving.?
Finally, many of the books that will be recommended can be pricey and hard to find. Once you know what you are seeking consider a visit to the railroad library of the Pacific Railway Society in San Dimas. They have an amazing collection and Dave the curator is extremely helpful. Check online for hours.?
Bruce Hendrick President, Corona Model Railroad Society?
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On Dec 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Jesse Hosmer < metrolink630@...> wrote: hello my name is jesse and I am working on re designing my layout to represent Anaheim and the city of orange in Southern California so while doing research on the area i found out that both Pacific fruit express and Santa Fe both served the areas when it came to refrigerator cars. ?So my layout is small like I think. 10x10. So Other than having packing houses what other buildings do I need to have on the layout? ? When it comes to Santa Fe is there something out that discribes types of Santa Fe cars and how to model them? ?And when it comes to the Santa Fe and the PFE with operations for model railroading is there documents says how I should run them?
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hello my name is jesse and I am working on re designing my layout to represent Anaheim and the city of orange in Southern California so while doing research on the area i found out that both Pacific fruit express and Santa Fe both served the areas when it came to refrigerator cars. ?So my layout is small like I think. 10x10. So Other than having packing houses what other buildings do I need to have on the layout? ? When it comes to Santa Fe is there something out that discribes types of Santa Fe cars and how to model them? ?And when it comes to the Santa Fe and the PFE with operations for model railroading is there documents says how I should run them?
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National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 1940: PDF Download
National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 1940: PDF Download
Courtesy of Bill Welch, this is a link to PDF for this document:
This loads very slowly so be patient.
This basically is a 400-plus page document stating the rules and regulations governing the handling of perishable freight, including charges for various services.
Bob Chaparro
Moderator
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Re: Railroad Art,Winfield,Santa Fe "Rolling into Riverside",s/n,C2008- 18X24(0473)
They do have a lot of OOP John Winfield paintings on their website.? Some by other artists too.? I love them, but don’t have any place to display paintings that large!
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Diane Wolfgram
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Subject: [RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup] Railroad Art,Winfield,Santa Fe "Rolling into Riverside",s/n,C2008- 18X24(0473)
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STILL TWO AVAILABLE?
Look at this on eBay
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Re: Railroad Art,Winfield,Santa Fe "Rolling into Riverside",s/n,C2008- 18X24(0473)
It certainly is Riverside right down to the palm trees and the drainage canal.
Shared images can be viewed at www.pbase.com/paulv99k
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Railroad Art,Winfield,Santa Fe "Rolling into Riverside",s/n,C2008- 18X24(0473)
STILL TWO AVAILABLE?
Look at this on eBay
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Re: Art Print: Reefers At Riverside
It's gone as of 10:33 CST.
Bill Jolitz
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Bob Chaparro
Jesse Hosmer
Wolfgram, Diane