I am aware that ice-cooled regrigerator cars were used to transport
magazines on their backhuals from the East. I also have a photo of
a refrigerator car being loaded with mail sacks.

Is anyone aware of other alternative uses for these cars?

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo, Ca

The Santa Fe made quite a few efforts to increase the back haul business
for refrigerator cars returning empty from the east. I have records of
some testimony of how they tried to organize LCL (Less Than Car Load
traffic) to utilize empty reefers heading west bound if anyone is
interested?

Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@...

There was a short lived company that provided metal cans for the
nursery industry that was located at Browning (near Tustin)on the
Santa Fe's Venta/Irvine Spur. The untreated cans (the cans were
dipped to prevent rust)arrived in SFRD (Santa Fe) icers. The use of
plastic cans replaced nearly all metal cans.

Browning was where the spur from the the main line junction split
with one leg going to Tustin and the other leg going out on to the
Irvine Ranch to Frances and Kathryn. The can company was on a section
of track that extended from the connections of the legs. This section
was used mostly for storage of empty reefers for the packinghouses
that had their own ice plants and received dry cars for loading.


--- In citrusmodeling@..., "Bob Chaparro"
<thecitrusbelt@y...> wrote:

I am aware that ice-cooled regrigerator cars were used to transport
magazines on their backhuals from the East. I also have a photo of
a refrigerator car being loaded with mail sacks.

Is anyone aware of other alternative uses for these cars?

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo, Ca

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Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@...

The Santa Fe had several long spurs running north off their trackage
between Pasadena and San Bernardino. One was the Cucamonga-Foothill spur
north up Milliken Ave about 5 miles. Does anyone know if this served a
packing house or citrus groves? The other spur was the Rialto spur which
went north about 2 miles--did this spur serve a packing house--and if so
which one?

I have been trying to figure out what these were for for a long
time.

The agent at Upland told me that the spur there was used to store
empty cars waiting for loading. When I asked the question as a
fourteen year old kid that made sense. Now thirty years later I
realize that they probably would have been hot and dry when loaded
so I don't know if they would have done that. There was a packing
house on the wye just north of the main line. I have a photo
somewhere but don't remember which company.

At about the same time the agent at Cucamonga told me that the spur
there was used to store conditioned cars that had been shopped at
San Berdoo. He said they also loaded grapes from the fields into
reefers north of Foothill Blvd(US 66).

I don't know how accurate either of these responses are.

Great List

Dave Yingst
Corning, CA



--- In citrusmodeling@..., "William Messecar" <santafe-
mail@c...> wrote:

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Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@C...

The Santa Fe had several long spurs running north off their

trackage

between Pasadena and San Bernardino. One was the Cucamonga-

Foothill spur

north up Milliken Ave about 5 miles. Does anyone know if this

served a

packing house or citrus groves? The other spur was the Rialto spur

which

went north about 2 miles--did this spur serve a packing house--and

if so

which one?

Dave and list. The Upland Foothill spur as it was called went up to the
Cucamonga Mesa packing house on 19th street--probably 5 miles north of
the Upland Depot. In fact the structure is still standing having
recently been used by a wholesale rose grower. This type of spur was
very useful to store refrigerator cars after they had been conditioned
in San Bernardino but before they were needed for service. On one
occasion in the late 1950s (I believe) there was a long string of these
cars stored there--the spur has a pretty steady grade down to the ATSF
main line about a mile east of the Upland depot. Some vandals managed to
release the brakes on these cars and they derailed down hill--in fact 82
cars had piled up before it was all over.

Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@...

Bill,

Can you explain exactly what "refrigerator cars after they had been
conditioned" means? I've seen this "conditioning" mentioned in other
places but I've never seen a good explanation. I take it that it
means more than just cleaning the cars after each citrus trip, yes?

Dorr

Dave and list. The Upland Foothill spur as it was called went up to

the

Cucamonga Mesa packing house on 19th street--probably 5 miles north

of

the Upland Depot. In fact the structure is still standing having
recently been used by a wholesale rose grower. This type of spur was
very useful to store refrigerator cars after they had been

conditioned

in San Bernardino but before they were needed for service. On one
occasion in the late 1950s (I believe) there was a long string of

these

cars stored there--the spur has a pretty steady grade down to the

ATSF

main line about a mile east of the Upland depot. Some vandals

managed to

release the brakes on these cars and they derailed down hill--in

fact 82

cars had piled up before it was all over.

Bill Messecar

Conditioning of refrigerator cars referred to their being reconditioned
after usage in service. When cars were returned to the San Bernardino
yard they were inspected to see if they needed any repairs. This was
primarily to their wood interior which could be banged up in service or
the grills at the ends which held the ice but allowed cold air to
circulate or drains or air circulating fans or whatever might need
repair. Shippers wanted cars in good repair as did the railroads so the
load would not be damage enroute. There were repair tracks on the NW end
of the San Bernardino A Yard for reefer car repair.

Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@...

Saw the notice and joined up pronto ...

Remember way back when my folks used to take me to Santa Ana (we
lived in San Diego) and we passed what seemed like miles and miles of
reefers, ice docks and lots and lots of railroad workers icing those
cars ... not to be seen again, I'm afraid ...

Still a Santa Fe fan and now live in the Dallas, TX area ...

Love the list and hope to get some good information and pictures to
help in the scratch-built construction of packing houses for my newly-
started So. CA ATSF model railroad layout ...

Thanks,

Pepper Kay
Garland, TX

Lots of photos at

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Pepper--before you start scratch building a packing house you might
check into Yesteryear's HO model of the National Orange Co. PH that was
located in Riverside, Calif. until it burned down in 2001. It makes a
very nice although some what large model (about 16" deep and 13" wide).
I have a photo of my model if any one wants to contact me off list.

Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@...

Re: "Saw the notice and joined up pronto ..."

As did I, although I'm not interested in modeling the Santa Fe in any kind
of three-dimensional but reduced scale (O, HO, N, . . .) sense. I am
interested in assembling, consolidating, and making available (preferably
on-line) a historical record of railroad infrastructure (line segments,
facilities, etc.) and train operations in North America.

I don't anticipate this being completed as an individual effort, however. In
the near term, I will be populating many areas of this database based on my
own resources and knowledge, and local research in southern California
(hence my interest in this list), but in the longer term I hope to make the
database available as a shared resource for the entire railroad history
community, with data entry forms provided to bona fide researchers for
additional sources of data entry, and report and query screens made
available much more widely for use by all interested parties.

Currently, I'm developing the data needed for creating a contemporary
baseline of infrastructure and traffic data in Southern California (south
of, and including, a line from Bakersfield to Barstow and Yermo) to use as a
framework and starting point for including historical data for the lines in
this area, as an example of what could be done for the rest of the
country/continent. Citrus Packing Houses will form an important components
of the historical data I hope to use to populate portions of this database.

Don Winter
Tehachapi, CA




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Norman E. Kay II wrote:

Love the list and hope to get some good information and pictures to
help in the scratch-built construction of packing houses for my newly-
started So. CA ATSF model railroad layout ...

Lots of photos at

Jim Lancaster

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To all,

I am pleased to be a new member to the group. I would like to add an
additional link to the file for the Citrus Label Society. It is
www.citruslabelsociety.com

Dick Schleicher

By the time that I explored the Cucamonga Foothill Spur in the late
1960s, there was little reason to indicate its purpose beyond the
spur to the winery along Foothill Blvd. The line ended in a citrus
area and the could have been a packinghouse there and if I recall
there were some metal tanks there that could been used for storage of
smudge oil. A group of steam fans leased the end of the line at one
time and ran some locomotives on it.

The Rialto Foothill Spur was once called the Rialto Citrus Spur, but
by the time I saw it there was no activity beyond Foothill Blvd and
the line was used as a team track to unload lumber. There was an
ammunition plant on the line at one time.

Some shippers would do there own icing and the railroad would spot
cleaned, but dry cars. The railroad would often bring these empty car
out and spot them on a spur or siding and the locals/switches would
use the as the shipper needed them. During the winter when the demand
for reefers was low, the excess cars were stored on trackage that was
not being uses for shippers.

Because of the grade on the Cucamonga Foothill Spur, there was a
switch switch derail installed north of the Pacific Electric crossing
(Grapeland on the PE). The location was correctly named as it was in
a vineyard. The crossing was stop and flag for the AT&SF.

Cliff Prather



--- In citrusmodeling@..., "William Messecar" <santafe-
mail@c...> wrote:

There was a l

Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@C...

The Santa Fe had several long spurs running north off their trackage
between Pasadena and San Bernardino. One was the Cucamonga-Foothill

spur

north up Milliken Ave about 5 miles. Does anyone know if this

served a

packing house or citrus groves? The other spur was the Rialto spur

which

went north about 2 miles--did this spur serve a packing house--and

if so

which one?

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But of course

Historic Packing Houses and Other Industrial Structures in Southern
California:


Kind regards,
Wilbert


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Jim Lancasters great site.


Do you have a URL for this website ?? ...

Thanks,

Pepper


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