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Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
jesse: you may want to check out the definite site for packing houses, listed below: packing houses or also you can check this list's archives, ypur library or historical society and your local chamber or commerce can't help you with rr operations, other than what is in thist's archives good luck mel perry On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 5:45 PM Jesse Hosmer <metrolink630@...> wrote: hello my name is jesse and I am working on re designing my layout to represent Anaheim and the city of orange in Southern California so while doing research on the area i found out that both Pacific fruit express and Santa Fe both served the areas when it came to refrigerator cars.? So my layout is small like I think. 10x10. So Other than having packing houses what other buildings do I need to have on the layout? ? When it comes to Santa Fe is there something out that discribes types of Santa Fe cars and how to model them?? And when it comes to the Santa Fe and the PFE with operations for model railroading is there documents says how I should run them? |
Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
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If you live in Southern California, check your local libraries; they may have Sanborn maps for the area you want.
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Chuck Wille
[Moderator's Note: And if you live within driving distance of any Los Angeles City Library you can obtain a library card (You do not need to be an L.A. resident) and this will allow you to access Sanborn maps ON-LINE for all of California.] ?
On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 9:40:13 AM CST, Bill Parks via Groups.Io <bparks_43@...> wrote:
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A good source for finding out other businesses are Sanborn Insurance maps.? These were created for insurance companies and show most commercial buildings in a town.? The one down side is finding them.? Due to copywrite laws,?you generally can only download for free from the various on line sources (Library of Congress being one) maps only up until the 1920s.? However, a number of university libraries have them that you may be able to get copies of more recent ones?from.? You will need to do some digging on line to find them. |
Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
Jesse -
A good source for finding out other businesses are Sanborn Insurance maps.? These were created for insurance companies and show most commercial buildings in a town.? The one down side is finding them.? Due to copywrite laws,?you generally can only download for free from the various on line sources (Library of Congress being one) maps only up until the 1920s.? However, a number of university libraries have them that you may be able to get copies of more recent ones?from.? You will need to do some digging on line to find them. |
Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
If you want to spend some money on reference books, the two you will want are: 1. Pacific Fruit Express By Anthony W Thompson, Robert J. Church, Bruce H. Jones Signature Press This is a thorough and complete history of the world's largest refrigerator car operator, the Pacific Fruit Express Company. The 432-page book has 663 photos (some in color), scale car drawings, shop track layouts, system map, paint scheme drawings, and accurate color drift panels. It includes an appendix, a complete index, and a comprehensive bibliography. 2. Santa Fe Refrigerator Cars Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979 (Volume 2, Rolling Stock Reference Series) By C. Keith Jordan, Richard H. Hendrickson, John B. Moore and A. Dean Hale and the Santa Fe Modeler Organization (1994) Bob Chaparro Moderator |
Re: Santa Fe and pfe help
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJesse, you will shortly be getting a ton of resources on Santa Fe and PFE from the learned members of this group. But Job 1 for you (since you are seeking accuracy) is to decide on a timeframe for your Railroad. PFE or Santa Fe reefers in the 1920s are very different than those in the 1970s.?Once you make that decision it will be much easier to shift thru the information you will be receiving.? Finally, many of the books that will be recommended can be pricey and hard to find. Once you know what you are seeking consider a visit to the railroad library of the Pacific Railway Society in San Dimas. They have an amazing collection and Dave the curator is extremely helpful. Check online for hours.? Bruce Hendrick President, Corona Model Railroad Society? On Dec 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Jesse Hosmer <metrolink630@...> wrote:
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Santa Fe and pfe help
hello my name is jesse and I am working on re designing my layout to represent Anaheim and the city of orange in Southern California so while doing research on the area i found out that both Pacific fruit express and Santa Fe both served the areas when it came to refrigerator cars. ?So my layout is small like I think. 10x10. So Other than having packing houses what other buildings do I need to have on the layout? ? When it comes to Santa Fe is there something out that discribes types of Santa Fe cars and how to model them? ?And when it comes to the Santa Fe and the PFE with operations for model railroading is there documents says how I should run them?
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National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 1940: PDF Download
National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 1940: PDF Download Courtesy of Bill Welch, this is a link to PDF for this document: This loads very slowly so be patient. This basically is a 400-plus page document stating the rules and regulations governing the handling of perishable freight, including charges for various services. Bob Chaparro Moderator |
Re: Railroad Art,Winfield,Santa Fe "Rolling into Riverside",s/n,C2008- 18X24(0473)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThey do have a lot of OOP John Winfield paintings on their website.? Some by other artists too.? I love them, but don¡¯t have any place to display paintings that large! ? Diane Wolfgram ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Larry Zotti via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 9:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup] Railroad Art,Winfield,Santa Fe "Rolling into Riverside",s/n,C2008- 18X24(0473) ? STILL TWO AVAILABLE? Look at this on eBay ? |
Re: Art Print: Reefers At Riverside
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On Dec 15, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: Art Print: Reefers At Riverside
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýVery nice! Thanks for sharing. Visitors can view the same scene, same era, canal & all, in HO at the Corona Model Railroad Society on any Saturday from 10-2. .?Bruce Hendrick President, CMRS On Dec 15, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Santa Fe Reefer Train With Unusual Power
Santa Fe Reefer Train With Unusual Power Here is the link: Caption: "Back in the 1970s, one could see about anything on Santa Fe rails between San Bernardino and Barstow, California. On March 20, 1971, a Santa Fe eastbound is climbing Cajon Pass east of Cajon siding. Leading the train is Rio Grande SD45 5327 and a pair of UP SD45s, 3642 and 3649, which are assigned to the Sunnyside, Utah, to Fontana, California, coal train. When the Sunnyside train was being unloaded, Santa Fe would use the motors to haul cars from San Bernardino to Barstow. In the consist this day was a Santa Fe A-B set of F-units, which had been overhauled at the San Bernardino Shops and were being deadheaded east." Bob Chaparro Moderator |
Re: Notes On PFE Reefers
Comments from Eric Lombard... I see no one provides definitive information about this interesting question. Perhaps because no such rule occurred. I will take a stab at a non-definitive and inferential answer in support of that position. This claim is based on active survivors originally built or rebuilt with grabs instead of ladders and still in service after 1964. My box car database coughs up 111 series with grabs instead of ladders still active on 12-1964 (and later). These cars are clearly on their way out to the scrap yard having been originally built prior to 12-1944 but many also were rebuilt after that date but not in a way that changed the grabs. In 10-1966 a running board and full ladders were banned on all new cars, and on 1/1/1971 cars with running boards were banned in interchange. Yes, in this period there were still a few cars with grabs still in service. For example: In 1-1971, 30 in UP 180000-182346, B-50-17 (steel sheathed, grabs) were in service. These cars were rebuilt from 125900-127899, B-50-13 (wood DS, grabs) and 171500-172999, A-50-7 (wood DS, grabs) in 1935-36. The B-50-13 and A-50-7 were built 1922, so in 1971 the underframes on the B-50-17 heroes were nearing 50 years old. There are many stories like this and my data at 111 series presents an undercount since many series are yet to be traced out to their final extinction since I tend to loose interest about 1960. Eric Lombard |
Photo: SFRD Reefer 6719
Photo: SFRD Reefer 6719 A link courtesy of Brian Rochon... Not a great photo but this can be improved with photo editing software. SFRD 6719 is a Class Rr-P refrigerator car from the series 6701-7200. These cars were built in 1909 by AC&F. The cars had a wood exteriors and wood superstructures. The original underframe was wood supported by truss rods. In later years some of these cars received steel channels along the center sills to reinforce the underframe as well as flexible metal roofs. The cars had Bohn ice tanks. There is a drawing of? Rr-P 6702 on Page 67 of the Santa Fe reefer book. The drawing indicates some of these cars had Garland ventilators. These ventilators were discussed in this message post: /g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup/message/519?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,garland,20,2,0,31132621 There also were additional message posts on this subject. These can be accessed with the Message Search feature. A photo of Rr-P 7140 is on Page 68 of the Santa Fe reefer book*. The last five Rr-P reefers left the live list in 1936. I cannot find evidence that any of these cars were rebuilt into later classes. It is possible some went into company service, however. I also could not find a listing for a Class Rr-P reefer model in Westerfield's catalog listing. Bob Chaparro Moderator *Santa Fe Refrigerator Cars Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979 (Volume 2, Rolling Stock Reference Series) By C. Keith Jordan, Richard H. Hendrickson, John B. Moore and A. Dean Hale and the Santa Fe Modeler Organization (1994) |
Model: SFRD Rr-X Reefer
Model: SFRD Rr-X Reefer This is a link to a Jon Pansius HO scale model of SFRD 17019, a Class Rr-X reefer: This was built from a Westerfield kit. The photo is by Ted Cullota. I like the details, including the stenciling on the hatch covers, chalk marks, hinges, latches and what probably are route or switching cards on the tack board and car body. Santa Fe had two number series of the Rr-X reefers, 15451-16700 (AC&F) and 16701-17950 (Pullman). Both series were built in 1922, with the last cars of each coming off the live list in 1949. That's not to say these cars didn't have second lives. In 1940-41, some of these cars were rebuilt into Class Rr-33 reefers, as were Rr-W, and Y reefers. In 1947 some of these cars were rebuilt into Class Rr-43 reefers, as were Classes Rr-Y, 2, 3 and 4 reefers. A photo of Rr-X 15640 graces the cover of the Santa Fe reefer book. Bob Chaparro Moderator |