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Hi All:

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John was kind enough to provide the URL off list to me, so now I have it and have taken a look ...

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Thanks,

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Pepper

--- In citrusmodeling@..., "John R. signor"

Since this is the Citrus Modeling Group I went ahead and uploaded a
new album of "citrus modeling" to get the ball rolling
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John R. Signor
Phone: 530-235-0261 Fax 530-235-0915

Hi John:

I can't locate the file you loaded ... do you have the URL for
it ?? ...

Thanks,

Pepper Kay
Garland, TX

Nice photo's! I'm jealous. But they give me some ideas that I hadn't
thought of.


--- In citrusmodeling@..., "John R. signor" <sstudio@s...>
wrote:

Since this is the Citrus Modeling Group I went ahead and uploaded a
new album of "citrus modeling" to get the ball rolling
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John R. Signor
Phone: 530-235-0261 Fax 530-235-0915

I noticed that the Microscale 87-771 and 48-299 sets do say "1955+" on them. I knew that the stylized orange logos would not be appropriate for my 1955 layout, but figured the shadowed block lettering--which figured so prominently on packing houses, usually on a dark blue background--was not so recent. I seem to recall seeing it in older photos, but may have a hazy memory there! Jim Lancaster can certainly confirm if it shows up in pre-1955 photos.

I certainly hope Microscale would take up your earlier version, as I have several packing houses that could use them.
Tom Cockle
Fieldbrook CA

Bill Messecar wrote:

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In 1910 the first railway through Placentia, CA was opened. There
were six large packing ouses built soon after, right along the track.
They were Placentia-Olinda, So. Cal. Fruit Exchange, Randolph, Strain,
California Vegetable Union and Cobb Vegetable Company. C.C. Chapman
had a siding on his Santa Ysabel Ranch and a large packing house.

Placentia shipped more carloads of freight than any other place in the
southland except Los Angelos. They shipped 800 carloads the first
season. The biggest year for Placentia was 1953. That year 4,200
carloads were shipped.

In 1952, the Pacific Electric Rwy served the following packing
houses at Corona:

Orange Heights Orange Assn. Houses 1 and 2. These were on the
eastside of town.

Jameison Co. It was on the westside of town and required the PE run
through town on 3rd St. The line was still in service when the
Riverside Freeway was built.

Other companies with sidings/spur were Richfield Oil, Union Oil,
Pacific Warehouse and Storage (dried beans and Fertilizer)and S.P.
Rosenbaum (Grain and Feed).

From a PE issued list of Idustries and warehouses

Cliff Prather

Thanks Bob for inviting me to your group. I am currently involved
with the Pacific Railroad Society, Pacific Railroad Musuem in San
Dimas, CA. Our museum is in the former Santa Fe Depot that served 5
surrounding packing houses.

In the good old days, the stations of the Pasadena Sub were located
half a mule day apart. Farmers could bring a load from the field to
the packing house and return in one day. Notice the locations
between Monrovia and San Bernardino. The Pasadena Sub produced 10%
of the Santa Fe feight in good years.

I recall a gentleman who had a drayage business on Etiwanda Ave. He
kept the mules at the North end of the street so that the trips to
the lemon packing sheds were downhill and they came home empty on the
up slope. There are still a few eucalylptus tree rows that protected
the groves from the winds.

The Proctor Family created Arrowhead Lake to water lemons in the San
Bernardino area. I believe the Proctor Family still harvests lemons
in Ventura Co.

Before Henry Ford, the fruit was moved in lug boxes from the field.
A man would swing a box up on the wagon and his partner would stack
them 5 high. It was tricky to load the last stacks; you had to stand
on a picking laddre and swing the boxes into the load. At the
processing plant, a man would push a hand truck under a stack, pull
it back, turn and push it into the shed. The cars were loaded by
gangs. Boxes were stacked about 5 high and bags were put on top.
The load had to be carefully loaded so that the air would circulate.

Summer loads were cooled. Depending on the crop and season, ice was
needed. In the Jul Aug and Sept, cars had to be precooled before
spotting them at the packing house. Otherwise the first load of ice
was melted before the car returned to San Bernardino. In the winter,
citrus was protected from freezing by car heaters that were installed
in the ice chests. These cars displayed a skull and cross bones on
the door because they may have become dangerously toxic.

More later
Lindsay

Hey that really worked. Now I can study to my hearts content. Thanks
a lot. GaryIII

Hi,

A couple of years ago the San Jose library had the username and password to
the Sanborn maps listed on their website. Luckily I copied it then.
You can go directly to the site of Sanborn


Click on "Browse maps" and then use the login-code from the San Jose Public
Library:

username: SJPLREMOTE
password: WELCOME

Now you have access to the Sanborn maps of California.

The University of Buffalo had a similar agreement and with their account you
could access all maps but alas, they cancelled their subscription I've
heard.

But the above gives you at least the California maps :)

Kind regards,

Wilbert Vossen



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Verzonden: woensdag 16 februari 2005 21:48
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Onderwerp: [citrusmodeling] Re: Neat Maps Where to find?



I went to the web site referenced below and it requires a San Jose Library
card to get access. I called them and asked how to get a San Jose Library
card (Middle Calif)since I live in Placentia, CA (Southern Calif 400 miles
away) and I talked to three or four people and nobody new how to I could get
one short of going to San Jose and establishing residence.

Any ideas?? Garyiii


--- In citrusmodeling@..., "William Messecar"
<santafe-mail@c...> wrote:

Gary--you can pull up all the Sanborne maps of Placentia you want as
they are available to the public on the San Jose library web site. If
you need more information on how to access them contact me off list.

Bill Messecar

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Subject: [citrusmodeling] Neat Maps Where to find?



Ed posted some good maps of ancient Corona.
Those maps were very nice. However, I am particulalry interested in
Placentia, CA citrus (including Atwood, Richfield, and a couple of
other places I don't remember right now).



In general, the area from Fullerton, going east to the Santa Ana river
"pinch" just west of Prado and Corona.

Where can I find access to similar maps of this area (ca 1900 thru
1940)?

GaryIII@h...





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I went to the web site referenced below and it requires a San Jose
Library card to get access. I called them and asked how to get a San
Jose Library card (Middle Calif)since I live in Placentia, CA
(Southern Calif 400 miles away) and I talked to three or four people
and nobody new how to I could get one short of going to San Jose and
establishing residence.

Any ideas?? Garyiii


--- In citrusmodeling@..., "William Messecar"
<santafe-mail@c...> wrote:

Gary--you can pull up all the Sanborne maps of Placentia you want as
they are available to the public on the San Jose library web site. If
you need more information on how to access them contact me off list.

Bill Messecar

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary [mailto:garyiii@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:12 PM
To: citrusmodeling@...
Subject: [citrusmodeling] Neat Maps Where to find?



Ed posted some good maps of ancient Corona.
Those maps were very nice. However, I am particulalry interested in
Placentia, CA citrus (including Atwood, Richfield, and a couple of
other places I don't remember right now).



In general, the area from Fullerton, going east to the Santa Ana river
"pinch" just west of Prado and Corona.

Where can I find access to similar maps of this area (ca 1900 thru
1940)?

GaryIII@h...





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I went to the web site referenced below and it requires a San Jose
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(Southern Calif 400 miles away) and I talked to three or four people
and nobody new how to I could get one short of going to San Jose and
establishing residence.

Any ideas?? Garyiii

Thank you for uploading this file. We are working on Santa Fe 3rd district citrus activity for the Warbonnet magazine and the spurs included have been a mystery...

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Terry N Taylor wrote:

Central CA Packing Houses and more to come. Now you really have my
attention. Thanks!!!!

There's over 60 photos (mostly packing houses) at

Jim Lancaster

Central CA Packing Houses and more to come. Now you really have my attention. Thanks!!!!

On Feb 15, 2005, at 9:32 PM, ljames1@... wrote:

I did update the site recently with a lot of Central California packing house
photos - again a lot of them were Bob's photos. And I've got more Central
California stuff to add from other contributors.

Terry N Taylor
terryntaylor@... / 805-595-9535
Modeling the Santa Fe Ry in the San Joaquin Valley in 1953

Here's the link to the maps... Ed

Gary--you can pull up all the Sanborne maps of Placentia you want as
they are available to the public on the San Jose library web site. If
you need more information on how to access them contact me off list.

Bill Messecar

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They are very nice sets however most of the Sunkist logos are
modern--that is from the 1970s when the current Sunkist logo was
created. The National Orange signage is fine but the stylized orange is
much later. The Sunkist logo with shadowed block letters came into use
in June 1955 and the logo for the 40's and most of the 50's was Sunkist
in outline fashion. The above is based on information and photo copies
provided me by the Sunkist marketing department.
I've had decal sheets made with the correct logos and used it on my
scratch built Bradford Brothers PH. It's paired with another sheet that
includes words and phrases that would provide names for almost every
packing house you can imagine and many locations on the Santa Fe LA
Division second and third district plus Redlands. Might see if
Microscale is interested in producing this set or something like it?

Bill Messecar

Santafe-Mail@...

Hoot Gibson wrote ...
... I do want to say thank you Bob for starting this group which is long
overdue but I have always been surprised that Jim Lancaster did not start such
a group long ago but it would seem the you are the chosen person so thank you
again for your interest in the Citrus Industries and the railroads that served
these industries.

Hoot,

I've got more than I can handle with a big backlog of material for the packing
house web site - a lot of it color photos from Bob Chaparro. Besides, Bob's
retired and has lot's of time to spend on the internet so makes a perfect list
owner :)

I did update the site recently with a lot of Central California packing house
photos - again a lot of them were Bob's photos. And I've got more Central
California stuff to add from other contributors. Plus more Southern
California cities from Bill Messecar.

On Sunday March 6, Sunshine Models is sponsoring their annual Prototype
Modelers Meeting in Buena Park at the Holiday Inn on Beach Blvd. Registration
starts at 9 AM with the first presentation - Southern California Citrus
Packing Houses by yours truly - at 10 AM. Some of the material is from the
web site but I'm also using a lot of new material. It will cover primarily
Orange County plus Corona and maybe Riverside. Hope some of you will be there.

Jim Lancaster
Tustin, CA

Ed posted some good maps of ancient Corona.
Those maps were very nice. However, I am particulalry interested in
Placentia, CA citrus (including Atwood, Richfield, and a couple of
other places I don't remember right now).



In general, the area from Fullerton, going east to the Santa Ana river
"pinch" just west of Prado and Corona.

Where can I find access to similar maps of this area (ca 1900 thru 1940)?

GaryIII@...