Here is a couple of cockpit views and a front suspension view of the pho-Kurtis that were asked for. Ideas are welcome! Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
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A few more photos of the front suspension and dash/interior? might be help full. Any old photos? Very interesting find.? James Long?
On Friday, October 11, 2024, 11:44 AM, Dale LaFollette via groups.io <dhlaf@...> wrote: I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
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James Long
Nevada City CA USA
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Looks like a very nice find, and is it in OR ... and where did it come from?
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I'd be curious what the Kurtis claim is based on, as the frame doesn't seem to follow his practice on other cars, and the cowl and grille are generic for the time ... the latter a speed shop item.
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Sure is an impressive induction and rear suspension, and the two seat configuration would add to the road racing probability. Track roadster, ala Vollstedt, Sutton, etc?
Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO
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I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR
-- Bob Storck KC MO USA
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do you really want to restore an original car like this. ????????
On Friday, October 11, 2024 at 11:44:43 AM EDT, Dale LaFollette via groups.io <dhlaf@...> wrote:
I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
-- Gerald Lettieri Rocky Hill CT USA
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I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
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Gene:
Thank you for looking into this. I have gordon white
gewhite122@... as his email address. Pease get with him to get Gordon back on the list.
Kem
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On Behalf Of Gene Ingram via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 4:04 AM
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?I looked in the files for Gordon White. He shows a member in good standing.? This is the email address on file that messages would be sent to.
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Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA
-- Kem Robertson
Huntsville AL USA
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?I looked in the files for Gordon White. He shows a member in good standing.? This is the email address on file that messages would be sent to.
Gene Ingram New Castle, In.
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association
Something happened to one of my replies.
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Manhattan Beach CA USA
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All:
Just received an email from Gordon White asking about the RacingHistory group. At some point he has discovered he is not receiving any emails. Can someone please make sure he is on the distribution list.
Thanks,
Kem
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Thank you for sharing Randall. That brought back a lot of memories.
Bob Gardner
San Diego CA USA
-- Kem Robertson
Huntsville AL USA
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Thank you for sharing Randall. That brought back a lot of memories.
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San Diego CA USA
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This really good stuff!
Randall, thanks for sharing.
E Dean Butler Broughton Green, UK
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On 8 Oct 2024, at 18:00, Randall Cook via groups.io <ndrjc1@...> wrote:
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??? Speaking of Culver City here's an old film from 1952 that I recently ran across.? The film is of very high quality so I assume it must have run on local television.? Maybe some of you here know more of the details of how this film came about.
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Randall Cook
Indianapolis, IN
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Broughton Green UK
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All:
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??? Speaking of Culver City here's an old film from 1952 that I recently ran across.? The film is of very high quality so I assume it must have run on local television.? Maybe some of you here know more of the details of how this film came about.
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Randall Cook
Indianapolis, IN
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
I think Don Noel raced with no alias. I actually met Don once in the 1990's at his son's body shop in west Los Angeles. I got to say Don must have had access to the Fountain of Youth. He looked like he did in 1957. Absolutely no aging. Truly remarkable. The others you mention I think they are different people, but I say that no real access to any of my research materials.
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association
Of course, there is the Facebook groups "Gardena Stadium" and "Culver City Stadium" which has a ton of pictures on the CJA.
Bob Mitchell
Simi Valley CA USA
On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 01:57:30 PM PDT, Bill Blaylock <william.blaylock500@...> wrote:
Here are some Jalopy
links I found.? The first shows a restored jalopy that is a veteran of CJA
and is now part of a family collection.? ?
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The second is a Library
of Congress reference to a collection of 22 photos from 1954 that were taken at
Culver City by a Look magazine photographer (you cannot bring up the photos on
the link; have to contact the LOC).?
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The third is a two
minute clip on a jalopy race at Balboa Stadium in San Diego.
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Bill Blaylock -- Bill Blaylock
Sanbornville NH USA
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CJA - California Jalopy Association
Here are some Jalopy
links I found.? The first shows a restored jalopy that is a veteran of CJA
and is now part of a family collection.? ?
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The second is a Library
of Congress reference to a collection of 22 photos from 1954 that were taken at
Culver City by a Look magazine photographer (you cannot bring up the photos on
the link; have to contact the LOC).?
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The third is a two
minute clip on a jalopy race at Balboa Stadium in San Diego.
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Bill Blaylock -- Bill Blaylock
Sanbornville NH USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Chuck, thanks for answering Bill. Interestingly, at one point, Culver City was alternating races for CJA jalopies with PRA hardtops. What makes it difficult to sort out is many of the same drivers appear in the results for both. And, yes, there were often disputes over how "stock" stock was.
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The jalopies were the So Cal mainstays, while Central and Northern California primarily ran "Hardtops."
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And, Bill, thanks for the kind words. Most of my research of late has been compiling short track results.
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Lancaster CA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Thanks to all who have replied on the CJA queries, I really appreciate the help!
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Tom, after I'd asked, I found results (from Lincoln Park) that listed Ben Snyder.
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One other driver I'm curious about, I've seen a "Don Paul" listed. Was there a Don Paul, or did the newspapers just get Don Noel wrong?
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One more I wonder about: Ralph Slape and Ralph Cripe. Typo or two different drivers?
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Similarly, am I assuming correctly that "Phil" Wilkerson is Billy, and "Walt" Sorenson is Warren?
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Newspaper research turns up some very interesting spelling variations.
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Lancaster CA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Bill, the jalopies of the CJA were mostly Model A and Model B fords with flathead V-8s for power.? I still shudder to think of all the "Little Deuce Coupes" that ended their life this way.? They would be worth a fortune today!? The class of car that you mentioned
racing in TX were usually referred to as "Hardtops" because they utilized 1937 and later cars that?had the full steel top construction.? The rules varied by different associations, but the Ford in a Ford was a pretty universal rule.? ?Most of these groups
started out as strictly stock, but that probably lasted until the second race.
Chuck Fawcett
Westminster, CA
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Westminster CA USA
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I am forever saying Dud Wilson's Bearcat, but it was a later modified BlackHawk...I guess I like the BearCat name better.
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Valley Forge PA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
My father (Otto) saw the Talbots at Langhorne in '41, later Duntov (Talbot) and Red Byron (Duesenberg/Ford) would stay at his house in N. Philadelphia when they ran Langhorne AAA races (Otto ran there with D. Wilson's Stutz Bearcat).
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Otto crewed for Duntov at Indy in '46 and for Red Byron in '47....these pictures are of Duntov at Indy in '47 (Chinetti who knew the car well helped that year).?
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Valley Forge PA USA
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Bob Storck
Gerald Lettieri
Roger Linton