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Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:15 PM -0700, "Tom B" <tbryan@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

I will send you a PM with a schematic that I have for the Racal speaker.

Tom Bryan
N3AJA

On 6/29/2020 4:42 PM, peter via groups.io wrote:

Slowly getting my TRA931 into working condition.
Is the audio output really as low as what the manual states ??
30mW with 200uV RF input, fix AF output 50mW into 50 ohms ?

Does anyone of the schematic of the companion speaker/amplifier box ?

If not, i guess I will DIY one with an LM380 or similar audio amp.
Peter


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

Tom:

Awesome.

'73's

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:15 PM -0700, "Tom B" <tbryan@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

I will send you a PM with a schematic that I have for the Racal speaker.

Tom Bryan
N3AJA

On 6/29/2020 4:42 PM, peter via groups.io wrote:

Slowly getting my TRA931 into working condition.
Is the audio output really as low as what the manual states ??
30mW with 200uV RF input, fix AF output 50mW into 50 ohms ?

Does anyone of the schematic of the companion speaker/amplifier box ?

If not, i guess I will DIY one with an LM380 or similar audio amp.
Peter


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

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Hi Peter,

I don't have your email address but here it is as an attachment.

I can't vouch for this schematic.

Tom Bryan
N3AJA


On 6/29/2020 4:42 PM, peter via groups.io wrote:

Slowly getting my TRA931 into working condition.
Is the audio output really as low as what the manual states ??
30mW with 200uV RF input, fix AF output 50mW into 50 ohms ?

Does anyone of the schematic of the companion speaker/amplifier box ?

If not, i guess I will DIY one with an LM380 or similar audio amp.
Peter

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Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

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Hi Peter,

I will send you a PM with a schematic that I have for the Racal speaker.

Tom Bryan
N3AJA

On 6/29/2020 4:42 PM, peter via groups.io wrote:

Slowly getting my TRA931 into working condition.
Is the audio output really as low as what the manual states ??
30mW with 200uV RF input, fix AF output 50mW into 50 ohms ?

Does anyone of the schematic of the companion speaker/amplifier box ?

If not, i guess I will DIY one with an LM380 or similar audio amp.
Peter

_._,_._,_


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

The external speakers are powered.


From: "peter via groups.io" <epkoncept@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:42:09 PM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

Slowly getting my TRA931 into working condition.
Is the audio output really as low as what the manual states ??
30mW with 200uV RF input, fix AF output 50mW into 50 ohms ?

Does anyone of the schematic of the companion speaker/amplifier box ?

If not, i guess I will DIY one with an LM380 or similar audio amp.
Peter



Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

Slowly getting my TRA931 into working condition.
Is the audio output really as low as what the manual states ??
30mW with 200uV RF input, fix AF output 50mW into 50 ohms ?

Does anyone of the schematic of the companion speaker/amplifier box ?

If not, i guess I will DIY one with an LM380 or similar audio amp.
Peter


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

And I bought one...

KL7AM


From: "Alan_Belton via groups.io" <alanbelton13@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 11:14:13 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

Tom,?
That looks more like it, the red with white stripe mic insert is the dynamic type used with a lot of the Racal kit of that vintage, and also looks like the correct 6 pin plug.

73

Al

G8LIT


On 28 Jun 2020, at 18:26, Tom B <tbryan@...> wrote:

See this one


Tom


On 6/28/2020 1:02 PM, Alan_Belton via groups.io wrote:

The mic insert is a carbon type (red with a black stripe), and will not work with the Syncal set; the handset is probably the one used with the UK's A-41 No2 manpack, which used a carbon mic element, and had a similar (but differently keyed) 6 pin plug.


73


Al


G8LIT





Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

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Tom,?
That looks more like it, the red with white stripe mic insert is the dynamic type used with a lot of the Racal kit of that vintage, and also looks like the correct 6 pin plug.

73

Al

G8LIT


On 28 Jun 2020, at 18:26, Tom B <tbryan@...> wrote:

?

See this one


Tom


On 6/28/2020 1:02 PM, Alan_Belton via groups.io wrote:

The mic insert is a carbon type (red with a black stripe), and will not work with the Syncal set; the handset is probably the one used with the UK's A-41 No2 manpack, which used a carbon mic element, and had a similar (but differently keyed) 6 pin plug.


73


Al


G8LIT




Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

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See this one


Tom


On 6/28/2020 1:02 PM, Alan_Belton via groups.io wrote:


The mic insert is a carbon type (red with a black stripe), and will not work with the Syncal set; the handset is probably the one used with the UK's A-41 No2 manpack, which used a carbon mic element, and had a similar (but differently keyed) 6 pin plug.


73


Al


G8LIT

------ Original Message ------ From: "KL7AM" <w7apm@...> To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 28 Jun, 20 At 17:48 Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic That connector looks different on the outside


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

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The mic insert is a carbon type (red with a black stripe), and will not work with the Syncal set; the handset is probably the one used with the UK's A-41 No2 manpack, which used a carbon mic element, and had a similar (but differently keyed) 6 pin plug.


73


Al


G8LIT



------ Original Message ------
From: "KL7AM" <w7apm@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 28 Jun, 20 At 17:48
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

That connector looks different on the outside

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom B" <tbryan@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:56:11 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

I think this is the correct handset.



Tom

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Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

That connector looks different on the outside

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom B" <tbryan@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:56:11 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

I think this is the correct handset.



Tom


On 6/27/2020 11:27 AM, Tom B wrote:
The connectors are fairly easy to come by.? Clansman connectors will
work, but the keying may be different.? You may have to grind off a
key or two to get it to fit.? Do not force the connector on if it
doesn't look like all the keys line up.

Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:16 AM, KL7AM wrote:
Are those Speaker/Mic connectors available? Can anyone tell me where
if so and what they are?
Not a connector/Plug I have although I do have quite a few...

KL7AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "KB0SFP via groups.io" <spike.dennis@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

The thing you see that looks like a pilot light is?Desiccant.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb,
29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org







Early Syncal Speaker

 

Found a shorted transistor in the Speaker amplifier. Subbed a replacement in and now have lots of audio. Listening to a net here on 3.933 and the receiver sounds very good and on frequency as well!
Now I need a 18V power supply or rebuild the battery pack. I do have the charger. I haven't opened the battery pack but I am pretty sure the nicads are junk. I also need a microphone. Anyone want to trade a speaker for a microphone?

Marty
KL7AM


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

The one on the right is either an MA909 or MA988. The one on the left I don't recognize.

The MA909 is wired B +supply, F audio in, D ground and is 18V

The MA988 is wired B +supply, F Audio in, D ground and is 18-30v but will work with reduced output down to 10v

The MA988B is wired? A Ground, B Audio in, C Ptt, E +supply

The MA988C is wired C +supply, D audio in, E ground, F Ptt and should have a 7 pin Clansman plug

Regards
Dave g1jwg


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

Agree, 6 pins for the TRA931

How about this handset.? It has 6 pins and a white strip on the mic.



Tom

On 6/27/2020 1:36 PM, KB0SFP via groups.io wrote:
Yes it is 6 pins, but so too is the clansman of the same period. The connectors on my clansman audio devices(as well as early Southcom) look identical. But as Tom says, the index pins are different.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org






On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 12:25:57 PM CDT, Stuart Mckinnon via groups.io <stuartjmckinnon@...> wrote:






What about the extra pin on Clansman Tom, I thought the period of racal kit he is looking at was 6 pin?



Stuart

G0TBI










-----Original Message-----
From: Tom B <tbryan@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:27
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic


The connectors are fairly easy to come by.? Clansman connectors will
work, but the keying may be different.? You may have to grind off a key
or two to get it to fit.? Do not force the connector on if it doesn't
look like all the keys line up.

Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:16 AM, KL7AM wrote:
Are those Speaker/Mic connectors available? Can anyone tell me where if so and what they are?
Not a connector/Plug I have although I do have quite a few...

KL7AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "KB0SFP via groups.io" <spike.dennis@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

The thing you see that looks like a pilot light is?Desiccant.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org












Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

Yes it is 6 pins, but so too is the clansman of the same period. The connectors on my clansman audio devices(as well as early Southcom) look identical. But as Tom says, the index pins are different.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org

On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 12:25:57 PM CDT, Stuart Mckinnon via groups.io <stuartjmckinnon@...> wrote:






What about the extra pin on Clansman Tom, I thought the period of racal kit he is looking at was 6 pin?



Stuart

G0TBI










-----Original Message-----
From: Tom B <tbryan@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:27
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic


The connectors are fairly easy to come by.? Clansman connectors will
work, but the keying may be different.? You may have to grind off a key
or two to get it to fit.? Do not force the connector on if it doesn't
look like all the keys line up.

Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:16 AM, KL7AM wrote:
Are those Speaker/Mic connectors available? Can anyone tell me where if so and what they are?
Not a connector/Plug I have although I do have quite a few...

KL7AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "KB0SFP via groups.io" <spike.dennis@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

The thing you see that looks like a pilot light is?Desiccant.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org






Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

What about the extra pin on Clansman Tom, I thought the period of racal kit he is looking at was 6 pin?

Stuart
G0TBI



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom B <tbryan@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:27
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

The connectors are fairly easy to come by.? Clansman connectors will
work, but the keying may be different.? You may have to grind off a key
or two to get it to fit.? Do not force the connector on if it doesn't
look like all the keys line up.

Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:16 AM, KL7AM wrote:
> Are those Speaker/Mic connectors available? Can anyone tell me where if so and what they are?
> Not a connector/Plug I have although I do have quite a few...
>
> KL7AM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KB0SFP via groups.io" <spike.dennis=[email protected]>
> To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:07:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic
>
> The thing you see that looks like a pilot light is?Desiccant.
>
> Dennis Starks
> Military-Radio-Guy
> KB?SFP
> HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
> Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
> MMRCG.org
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

The best and cheapest place for brand new military connectors (or indeed any other type of connector), is Servo and Electronic Supplies in Lydd, Kent.
I have known this company since 1965 when I first met the former owner Arthur Egan, now deceased.
Arthur started buying up surplus military electronics after the war (1947), and specialised in Synchros, Servos and Connectors.
His son Rob took over the company a few years back, and Servo have two levels of stock.
1) Certified, brand new, fully traceable stock, at prices that for most Radio Amateurs are eye-watering.
2) Brand new, uncertified, stock that has no traceability.
This stock is much, much cheaper, but comes in the manufacturer¡¯s sealed bag.
However one absolutely MUST give the full part number of what you are looking for.
Call: 01797-322500
A lady called Sam handles the uncertified stock.
She will not tolerate time-wasters and will probably ask for you to email her, so that she can quote you a price and delivery.
If in doubt about the part number, she will accept a photo of the part (or it¡¯s mating half), and do her best to help.
Servo still have R1155/T1154 Jones Plugs in stock as well as most WW2 era connectors - all brand new, old stock.
Julian Barnard.

On 27 Jun 2020, at 16:56, Tom B <tbryan@...> wrote:

?I think this is the correct handset.



Tom


On 6/27/2020 11:27 AM, Tom B wrote:
The connectors are fairly easy to come by. Clansman connectors will work, but the keying may be different. You may have to grind off a key or two to get it to fit. Do not force the connector on if it doesn't look like all the keys line up.

Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:16 AM, KL7AM wrote:
Are those Speaker/Mic connectors available? Can anyone tell me where if so and what they are?
Not a connector/Plug I have although I do have quite a few...

KL7AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "KB0SFP via groups.io" <spike.dennis@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

The thing you see that looks like a pilot light is Desiccant.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org







Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

The black stripe on the microphone inset indicates it is a carbon granule type.

Andy G8JAC

I think this is the correct handset.
Tom


Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

I think this is the correct handset.



Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:27 AM, Tom B wrote:
The connectors are fairly easy to come by.? Clansman connectors will work, but the keying may be different.? You may have to grind off a key or two to get it to fit.? Do not force the connector on if it doesn't look like all the keys line up.

Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:16 AM, KL7AM wrote:
Are those Speaker/Mic connectors available? Can anyone tell me where if so and what they are?
Not a connector/Plug I have although I do have quite a few...

KL7AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "KB0SFP via groups.io" <spike.dennis@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

The thing you see that looks like a pilot light is?Desiccant.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org






Re: TRA 921 Speaker Pic

 

The connectors are fairly easy to come by.? Clansman connectors will work, but the keying may be different.? You may have to grind off a key or two to get it to fit.? Do not force the connector on if it doesn't look like all the keys line up.

Tom

On 6/27/2020 11:16 AM, KL7AM wrote:
Are those Speaker/Mic connectors available? Can anyone tell me where if so and what they are?
Not a connector/Plug I have although I do have quite a few...

KL7AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "KB0SFP via groups.io" <spike.dennis@...>
To: "RacalRadio" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RacalRadio] TRA 921 Speaker Pic

The thing you see that looks like a pilot light is?Desiccant.

Dennis Starks
Military-Radio-Guy
KB?SFP
HFpack/Milpack/MMRCG
Monitor all: 3996usb, 5357usb, 7296usb, 14342.5usb, 18157.5usb, 29.4fm, 51.0fm
MMRCG.org