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Re: VK389 and Kincaid dna as evidence of Vikings on Clyde river, Scotland?


 

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There are still a HUGE number of haplogroups to discover for males in Norway during the 1500¡¯s.

Almost daily I check the on FTDNA to see if a particular person from that era is noted as a MDKA for someone who tested.? Sometimes I¡¯m lucky and find them, either proving or disproving a theory.

Most of the time I don¡¯t.

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I don¡¯t know if as much as 20% of Norway¡¯s current population is immigrant families.

But definitions matter: If my 11th great-grandfather came from Scotland in the 1400¡¯s (a possibility), are not all of his descendants part of an immigrant family?? I¡¯m guessing you mean recent immigrants.

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Of more import to what you¡¯re interested in perhaps is that a very significant (I heard 20%) part of the population in Western Norway is only 60-80% Norwegian with 20-40% from British Isles or Europe.

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I have just a tiny block of 2 SNPs to break up that happened in the 1500-mid-1600¡¯s timeframe.

I don¡¯t have the advantage of ¡°surnames¡± to help find folks to test---by looking at property records and legal events, I try to identify candidate brothers, fathers, uncles of my MDKA and see if any lines may have survived.? I did this to find a 7th cousin 1x removed to test, proving MRCA for us with an ancestor born in 1654.

It could be there are no more surviving lines between 1654 and 1500.

We know there are many surviving lines beyond this in the 1400¡¯s.

Most likely I have to wait until someone tests and then see where the family trees point.

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Good luck.

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Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 7:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [R1b-U106] VK389 and Kincaid dna as evidence of Vikings on Clyde river, Scotland?

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Thank you Dr. Iain McDonald for your input.? Just to be clear there are a couple of points perhaps misunderstood that I want to be clear about.

1) Kincaids emerge in Scottish records in 1425.? The year 1238 is the year the name of the lands of Kincaid appear and they were granted to a Galbraith.? Kincaids and Galbraiths are not the same family dna wise.
2) Ftda has R-FGC12993 breaking off about 86 CE and R-A321 breaking off about 311 CE.
3) No modern Kincaid lines go back before the 1420s in terms of MRCA.
4) Only Kincaids have R-A321 and ftdna states they also have the following snps between them and R-FGC12993 that nobody else has: A324, FGC17173, FGC17175, FGC17176, FGC17177, FT108610, FT108671, FT108701, FT108780, FT108969, FT109170, FT109451, FT199952, FT199953, FT199954, FTB33546.? Thats 16 additional snps or 1328 years (83x16) of potential genetic branching unaccounted for so far.

I understand that about 20% of the current population of Norway are immigrant families.? That will impact discovery of medieval Norwegian lines.? I was also thinking that a current test represents several related males in a current population.? My surname is rare here, but my haplogroup would be the same as 40 to 50 other males here now.? Some patriarchs have a huge number (easily 10x) of current males representing them today.? So my thinking was that even though we may have tests for 1 in 1200 male Norweigans one particular test may represent a significant part of the existing male population - thus reducing the number of 'new' haplogroups to emerge.

Thanks again for your input.

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